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  1. How dare you not post my end of poll comment. Fuck this server
  2. Right, I play Kiara fields, keegan judge, and luke haynes, scientist, cadet, and miner respectively
  3. i just got my first job ban today and i'm pretty bummed out about it. I've been told that i need to work on my escalation, and i intend on getting it right. Does anyone have any tips, commentary, criticism etc on any rounds you have seen me as antag?
  4. I wish we could do this as well, it really breaks immersion when conversations take place at snails pace, and text based conversation without a turn system makes combat RP non existent. But i see the point others make, how sweaty nerd voices doesn't really lend itself to aliens... Or does it?
  5. Well i was reading into very limited context, if that is what happened i don't see anything wrong with it. Your explanation for why my book should be withheld still isnt very satisfactory to me personally however. As a side note, i do want to give you kudos for RPing with me as captain. You really caught me off guard when you actually accepted my original offer. This isnt directed at any particular captain, lots of them do it, but most would of gave me a terse 2 word reply and moved on without giving me any time to respond.
  6. this makes more sense, and if i'm honest with myself it is a conclusion i should of came up with myself IC, and I need to work on my RP in tight situations. I think i understand what happened now. Really, i should of approached this angle on my own, and if/when i was denied, then ahelp on the dubiousness of having a reason to withhold the book. I apologize for any hostility and frustration from myself in ahelps and in the staff complaint. I still maintain that the captain really had no IC cause to withhold my book, based on the fact that its only link to her torture is being the teachings of my religion. To beat a dead horse, it wasn't involved in any torture, there was no real IC reason to deny it to me on the basis that it is dangerous for me to have it. In my eyes, a comparable scenario is the outlaw of christian healing, and when a roadside preacher is seen slapping the hell out of a cripple to heal them, and is jailed, denying them their bible. Yeah, he had one on him, but it wasn't involved- nor was their any real reason to believe- that the bible was instrumental to the assault, or the assault was accomplished with the bible. The bible opened the preacher's eyes to the religion, but any powers would be innate to the preacher himself unless witnessed to have come from his bible directly. If you were to ask the cripple who was assaulted if the preacher should have his bible, the cripple wouldn't really have any reason to deny him it, as it's not dangerous, in his eyes it's just teachings of a religion the preacher is already involved in, bible or no at this point. If the preacher hit the cripple with the bible, or in view of the cripple, opened the book, slit his finger, and drew a rune in blood while chanting FROM the bible which then proceeded to torture the cripple, then yeah, i could see reason to deny the preacher his bible. In my eyes, the captains tactical use of the preacher in the round kind of reinforces this "meta" play in my eyes. Admins might not agree, but in my eyes directly calling a priest to handle an EMP is just irrational, especially when there are more reasonable explanations for an electromagnetic pulse besides "devils did it, call the pastor". Calling a pastor to gain insight to the situation would be understandable, but the way he was called over comms kind of suggests a tactical deployment of holy power. Maybe logs between pastor and captain would clarify one way or another, as i'm reading into limited context here, and i feel that the crux of my argument is slight meta play from captain. If this is something that yourself and mediators determine to still be acceptable play, ill accept it and work on remembering this when I play cult in future rounds.
  7. I quoted those in the previous message, in the spoiler. that wasn't the entire conversation that revolved around semantics, just part of it. Actually, if we are being strict with the IC text, I said that I found a book in a library that gave me the knowledge , and then later requested my texts . In the Ahelp, you made it pretty clear that in your eyes, there's a difference between the two, and I should elaborate on it . It seems to kind of bounce back and forth, when i'm asking the captain for it, i need to refer to it specifically as a book, but in the captain's eyes, its all the same thing, but in the ahelp when you explain the captains reasoning, it's not? This all gets really unnecessarily confusing, and it could all be avoided if we all just agreed to use our common sense and understand what is being referred to when im saying "religious text" or "bible" etc. I'm honestly sorry as well, i could of been more clear in the ahelps, i was just getting frustrated with the situation, and again, this has been a recurring problem in the past, and it can be hard to be straightforward and clear when i'm frustrated. It's something i will work on in the future. I got arrested, was denied my book, and got tied up in ahelps and thought "oh hell this again, god fucking damnit" and communication wasn't as straightforward as it could of been. However, i do still feel that this was unnecessarily complicated. A situation that, when common sense was applied, could've been a 5 min max scenario stretched into 30 or so minutes with no satisfactory resolution one way or the other, simply because all parties decided that they forgot what synonyms are, and played the "what, book? she asked for a TEXT. what does she want, an sms?" game. Everyone involved knew what was being referred to, knew where it was, and unfortunately, were allowed to slightly meta and deny my character the book, then played the literal game to get out of it in Ahelps, and instead of you saying "come on now, you know what he is talking about, quit being coy", you played along, and overlooked things like how the captain didn't even have an IC reason to believe the book should be revoked, despite me actually being clear about that in Ahelp.
  8. As a side note, you are arguing now that the captain wouldn't want to give me the book because i tortured her, but during the ahelps your reasoning was that no one could seem to understand me because i was using synonyms, see: You are also working on the assumption that the captain is saying they are going to burn religious texts that aren't on station, or that the captain is going to burn the book that she doesn't know exists and is in my bag. A book that she really doesn't know actually DOES anything IC. I didn't use the book in front of her, i didn't shake it around while chanting during her torture, i didn't whip it out and scribe a rune with it in front of her, she walked in right on the heels of a successful conversion. If we are looking at this IC, the book just opened up my mind to the religion, and I ran with that and got my powers through the persuit of said religion, assuming that the book is the source of my powers is slightly meta, which i wouldn't really say if it weren't for the other things the captain did, like call for a priest to respond to an EMP attack. This is even supported IC, if you reread my conversation with the captain which i posted and you RE posted, you can see that i say specifically that reading the book opened my mind to the universe, but there's nothing saying that the book is the source of my power, or even if its the same book in my possessions. It could be argued that no one knows i have the book, but i really doubt it. I was arrested, and my things were searched. Allan would of mentioned I have this book, and knew of its existence when I asked for it during my confinement. Alan had NO idea that the book had anything to do with the attack and didn't turn it over. The borgs just flat out ignored me. Prate i can understand the confusion behind my being frustrated about this, but this is on the heels of at least three other incidents where Ive been denied my book under different circumstances, and by the time im done with the IC interactions and the Ahelps, my sentence is done or a shuttle is called, and its too late. You yourself was involved in one of these incidents if i remember correctly. The captain can outlaw my religion on station, but i really doubt that she can tell me what religion im personally allowed to partake in, and im not going to be spreading my religion from the interior of a jail cell, and with no real IC reason to believe that the book actually does anything besides teach you about a new religion, I just dont see any reason to withhold it, outside of "OOC i know that this book makes runes, there's no wat that im giving them the book." you mention that the text could be the paper in my bag, and you are absolutely right, it COULD be, which is even MORE of a reason to allow me to have the book itself. Yes, she "didn't know i have a book on me" except she threatened to burn said texts, texts that she didn't know existed apparently, so couldn't burn. Then she made no attempt to find said texts. Didn't search my belongings which would be a reasonable place to look. That's because she knew it was in my bag and safely locked up, and denied me access to it.
  9. Like i said in the Ahelps, i can concede that the priest wasn't meta, i don't necessarily agree with it but i can see how it could be considered fine. My problem was with the wordplay and semantics that was somehow used to keep me from getting my book, because i didn't see the specific password "book" and do the secret handshake. If command needs an engineer to open a door, and because command says "door" and not "airlock", does it excuse the engineer from trouble when he doesn't comply? If the HoS tells a sec officer to apply "restraints" and because he didn't use the exact phrasing "handcuffs" and the criminal gets away, is the sec officer now free from review, because instead of using his brain, he sat there twiddling his thumbs pondering the meaning of "restraints"? Again, my problem was with the unnecessary semantics. The captain and borgs each knew exactly what i was referring to both OOC and IC, this wasn't an issue of genuine confusion in either OOC IC, because of some poor wording on my part, it was an outright refusal or simply ignoring on theirs. Im not a mod and im not going to assume to tell you what your job is, but i would think that when Ahelped, the mod would normally when being amicable, poke those guys and remind them that its required that i have my religious BOOK, not engage in a 30+ minute conversation on semantics and definitions that I can only assume was for the lulz based on the direction it went. Telling me that no one knows what im talking about because I used a synonym, much less a captain, who has to have played the game for a while now and have a good understanding of the mechanics involved, is again disingenuous on Matts part. Because IC, she had no reason to believe that the book held any power beyond being a book. Again, it wasn't used in the ritual, and it didn't display any powers above the norm. The torture was performed using a symbol etched in blood. If anything, i should of been placed in a straight jacket if she was worried about me using any mystic powers.
  10. BYOND Key: Sodapopbob Staff BYOND Key: MattAtlas Game ID: bRT-ckjU Reason for complaint: Ruling dispute Evidence/logs/etc: Additional remarks: It was a cult round, and i was converting a member of science as peace cult, when the captain rushes in to see what was going on (misc testing) which is odd, sec probably should've been called in first but it's just the beginning here. We (three cultists total) have a discussion with the captain, which goes as follows. Security comes in, takes away the captain, and after some dialog, there's another conversion, which is successful. Henderson Minnie. Its not relevant to the complaint, so i'm not including it. MattAtlas played a game of semantics during the Ahelp, so the thing to take away from this, very specifically, is that After digging through an old library, i found an ancient tomb, which has given me understanding into the insights of the universe. Remember that. Notice nothing was said about said tomb being on my person, or said tomb giving me powers, and i didn't pull out and use the tomb during the conversion of the captain, the rune was already there when she showed up. all that was said was that a tomb i found expanded my mind. After the conversion of the detective, we received an announcement from the captain that i was to not continue the conversions more or less. I told her it was my right to practice my religion, and i was served an arrest warrant. Knowledge and a sec borg came to arrest me, and i came peacefully. Here is the arrest. Again, due to semantics, i'm going to post the conversation, and point out the important parts at the end. Keep in mind that towards the end of the following texts, i'm also Ahelping with Matt but they are cut out and will be included in the complaint later. So a couple of things to point out here due to semantics on Matts part, keep these in mind. I refered to my cult book as a religious trinket, a bible, and religious texts. As a side note, Henderson Minnie set off an EMP rune, and the captain called for a priest. I feel that this is Meta, and mention it in my future ahelp. You can see that when she calls for a priest, she isn't doing so in a "i need guidance" way, but a "I need your abilities to deal with this new problem" way, the same way one would call sec to deal with a hostile situation. A priest was called to deal with an EMP/cultist, which the player KNOWS is a cultist due to her previous attempted conversion. So onto my ahelps. Now again, keep in mind that I have so far referred to my cult book as a religious text, a bible, and a religious trinket. Every time i requested them, i was ignored, and once flat out denied, being told by the captain that the priest had to "cleanse it with fire." Remember before when i told you that the cult book was not used during the interaction with the captain. She had no reason to believe that a book on my person had the power to do anything besides be a book. I've been told in the past by a mod whose name i can't remember that, when arrested, it's my right to retain my religious trinkets, and when asked for them, security is supposed to supply them. The following is the crux of my complaint, and it's VERY confusing because again, Matt wanted to play semantics. So to sum this up, the captain refused to give me my religious book that they (supposedly) had no knowledge of me possessing, despite them clearly saying "i'm getting a priest to burn it" because i didn't SPECIFICALLY REFER TO IT AS A BOOK. I called it just about everything it could be called outside of directly calling it a book, I called it a bible, religious trinket, religious text, religious tomb, it was clear what i was doing and what i wanted. I was ignored, and told directly by the captain my religious text would be destroyed. By the time Matt said "if you had referred to it as a book specifically you would of got it back" my sentence was up. I had spent 20 minutes in the brig literally arguing semantics with Matt, and it kept going after i was released. OOC, the captain knew exactly what i was talking about, because i tried to convert them and they knew i was a cultist. IC, the captain would know exactly what i'm talking about, because everyone and their mother who has ever read even one book knows that a book can be referred to as a bible, text, and tomb. The captain had no reason to believe the book was dangerous, she never saw it used in any ritual. For all she knew (in fact, all she should of known IC) is that my "powers" were innate. Matt said i could infect others with the book, but i'm locked up in a cell. If the captain was so concerned with the book being loose for that reason, why was an investigation not launched to find the book? Why wasn't I questioned about the book? If i'm asking to have my religious text, it's fairly clear that it's in my possessions. If anyone was concerned with allowing me to retain my religious trinkets, and it was SO confusing as to where it was, why was I ignored and flat out told it would be destroyed, rather than asked where it was? The captain knew what i was talking about, the borgs knew what i was talking about, Alan knew what i was talking about, Matt knew what i was talking about, I requested them in person to everyone involved, and even announced it over the common channel, there was no IC reason to deny the book to me, and my entire conversation with Matt was bogged in semantics, wordplay, and dishonesty, with stories and definitions changing free form. To say that I couldn't be understood because i used a very clear synonym for book is ridiculous, both IC and OOC. As a final note, this is what, the third time as a cultist i have been denied my book while i'm in lockup? It seems to be a common tactic to ignore the cultist asking for their religious book, and let ahelps run the timer out, or let the round end resolve it, or just feign ignorance as to where the book is. Its happened enough and in so specific of a way that im sure im not the first to deal with this, and you think that ahelps would be more straightforward in this regard.
  11. you keep saying clear signs of modification, but the only signs were doors being tampered with, which could of been done that second, its not a huge modification. Its not like i rebuilt the room structure, and there was reason to believe that walls could of been tampered with in that fashion. I snipped the door bolt and light wires, that's it. with the mensons, you could see i laid out tile and set up tables, but beyond that, i just don't see how that's enough to expect a secret door. Maybe if i had torn down a bunch of walls, sure, i could see how that could be the case. or torn down the doors and replaced them with walls, absolutely, i could see that. but snipping two wires in two doors, that just doesn't make sense. that can be done in less than a minute, it doesn't really give an indication that there was a big time construction project going on. there was no point in telling you that he said what he said in ooc, because immediately after you said"yes they do" (mensons seeing through walls), you just flat out ignored everything else i said. i had to rebuild my scenario and screen cap it to you before you would consider responding back. it's not that it's hidden knowledge, it's that it's the most unlikely of scenarios in this situation. there were no real big indications of a construction project to justify really looking for one. the doors were busted. there's way better IC explanations for that, like i snipped them when i came in, or the room is just old and unused, or a power issue. jumping to "secret doors" just makes no sense to me. Especially when they were already fixing the doors when the officer found my secret one. Everyone else assumed the most logical thing, that i just altered the doors, he was the only one that jumped to "secret door"
  12. BYOND Key: Sodapopbob Staff BYOND Key: Alberyk Game ID: bR0-cHh4 (game after) Reason for complaint: A disagreement in a metagame ruling made by Alberyk, when i Ahelped Evidence/logs/etc: https://pastebin.com/y2Rv9LAY Additional remarks: Goes without saying, but i have no issue with Alb or the player in question, but i disagree with this ruling. The only outcome i wanted was a note/warning placed with the player for metagaming, so in the future if its an issue there would be an example of the previous behavior, as a deterrent to continued metagaming. It was a cult round and i was playing RnD. I had kidnapped the bartender, and drug him in a locker through the halls and into science. In misc testing, the AI spotted me welding the locker shut, and told Sec to investigate. I drug the locker into the maintenance halls, and into my secret base. The secret base was set up in the old shooting range behind science, i had cut the bolt and bolt lights wires of the door so no one could tell at a glance that the doors were locked, and installed a secret door in the bottom right corner of the room, in the wall facing east. Inside, i began RP'ing my conversion of the janitor. As we were RP'ing the conversation, I noticed lights on the outside edges of the walls, indicating that someone was out there with a flashlight. I know i'm busted, but continue to RP the encounter. As we are playing it out, I see another light join the first, so i know i'm screwed. I think the bartender knew it too, because he began to stall. No matter, I continue to RP while watching the lights on the walls. they go back and forth around the exterior of the room, from one door to the next, trying them out. then i see one light, starting from the top right door, move slowly down the wall, pausing each step, until they get to my secret door, which opens. I'm caught. It looked like a case of metagame which ill explain my reasoning for later, but for now, this is my conversation with Alb when i Ahelped. Very short, seemingly dismissive conversation from Alb. Based on the way it went, it seemed to me that he dropped the subject at "mensons can see secret doors" and didn't do any further investigation into the issue. This was frustrating, because i MADE the door while wearing mensons, and know they don't see through the doors, so the next round, i made one, put on mensons, took a screen cap, and continued the conversation in DMs. this is the conversation we had. This conversation was very confusing to me, because it seemed as though Alb didn't really know what had happened, despite having said he looked into it. He also said many contradictory things, first saying that he thought the borg had found the door, then saying the officer found it a minute later on accident, then saying that the officer actually looked for the door intentionally later. He stated "they called a borg" as a reason to how they found the door, which makes no sense. The conversation itself was very confusing, which is why I bring it to a Staff complaint, because the whole thing felt phoned in, and the reasoning behind Albs ruling made no sense. There are ways to tell if a secret door exists. If you step in blood or oil, and then walk into a secret door, it leaves tracks that make it clear that there is a secret door there. If you walked up on a room that you know had two doors, and today it has NO doors, it would make sense to think a door is hidden somewhere. But to see that a door is not working, in a room that is no longer used no less, i don't see the logical jump that is necessary to believe a secret door must exist. To address the final statement Alb made in the DMs, yes, the doors were tampered with. But not in a way that makes a secret door believable. Maybe i just disabled the doors when i entered the room to discourage anyone that followed me (as a note, these officers weren't hot on my heels. there was time to set up my conversion before they showed up.) or maybe the doors in the unused room are just not working due to a mechanical/electrical error, maybe its an unrelated issue, someone tampered with them etc. To jump from "doors not working" to "secret door" is clearly metaknowledge. its also made clearer by the players response that he "accidentally found the secret door" in ooc. this isn't scooby doo, he did not slip and start a hilarious chain of reactions that resulted in him triggering the secret door. The player, knowing that secret doors is an option, systematically tried walls until he found the door, despite IC reasons that make more sense being present, with no IC indications that a door could be there.
  13. all of this please. Ive been shut down so many times in espionage, taking as many steps as completely changing my entire outfit AND haircut/beard, to be outed by a mouse hover.
  14. There's a saying that goes something along the lines of "Morality makes an excellent slave, but a terrible master." that I think kind of applies here. You (Izlay) are very knowledgeable on AI law, or at least you will be after this is said and done, as much as you have quoted it, but your main focus is using that law to justify your aggressive play style (slave), and forget when those same laws actually restrict you, or force you to take a more passive role (master). I get the feeling that you are more used to playing on other, lower RP servers, where it's a little fast and loose. What i see with a lot of players coming from other servers is that they interpret HRP as a strict guideline on gibbing, and you might just need to rethink your approach. Every round exists in a universe that is supposed to make some kind of sense in a round about way. AI is not supposed to be as aggressive as you play it normally. In my round for example, you were more than content to use the law to your advantage, but didn't stop to think that you are more of a passive observer than a digital judge dredd. There was little investigation, little observance. If i was antag, and I was hurting that scientist, this complaint most likely wouldn't exist. From what i'm reading of others experiences, it seems to be a common trend. Your interpretation of the AI law has made it a slave to your desire to be aggressive in your play style, which is entirely appropriate for a Malf, but not for standard AI of which the law is a master of. I can't dictate how you run your AI, but just a piece of advice, try not to play like you are on a hair trigger, short fuse ready to dish out cybernetic justice. YOU are the slave to your programing, the programing isn't a slave to you. Escalate scenarios appropriately. Communicate. In our interaction, you were adamant that you gave me 3 chances to answer, but I was showing no signs of the interaction being time sensitive. For all you knew, that scientist could of had a bomb smuggled up his ass, and was ready to blow the whole station to kingdom come, and you would of definitely been doing the opposite of protecting anyone.
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