[Resolved] Staff Complaint - Aboshehab

BYOND Key: Korinra

Staff BYOND Key: Aboshehab

Game ID: bUc-buHZ

Reason for complaint: After an IC disagreement ended with me just asking when something had changed (because obviously it had since the data on the wiki was "outdated"), and never got an answer, I posted LOOC to the person where I got the information. Aboshehab LOOC'ed in to the conversation (which clearly meant he was listening, even to the part where I said "I'm not your dude" to someone using the god-awful phrase 'my dude'. He then changes the Wiki, and in OOC (not LOOC like he had before) decides to announce the change to "all relevant parties", in a passive aggressive way since it was clear OOCly I was annoyed by the behavior of calling me "my dude". I then asked, equally passive aggressively, what would happen to a player who did that. This of course sparked more passive aggressive comments, to which I simply replied, "I asked for it to be dropped twice, so is it done yet?" He decided to keep on pushing harder and harder like a child, telling me that me ASKING if it was done was only going to prolong him being passive aggressive, rather than acting like a head admin and walking away when the PLAYER manned up and walked away. I'd like to point out he wasn't part of the initial conversation, which meant he was listening, heard it, and interjected himself passive aggressively.

Evidence/logs/etc: https://i.imgur.com/xyVE5V0.png & https://i.imgur.com/l0MsiUv.png

Additional remarks: I know he wasn't in the round, because when he LOOC'd it said this, " aboshehab: It starts empty.". But then later he couldn't LOOC because I wasn't near him? If you're not in the round, just ghost over to me. You're clearly NOT in the round, OR you're the CMO (Stella Alice) who I was talking to in LOOC, which you ghosted away from once already. So in either case using the excuse, "Too far away to LOOC" makes no sense. You were able to ghost over to me once, but when it came time to announce it was updated, you couldn't just ghost over and say, "Ok I updated it". No you had to put on a broadway show and announce it passive aggressively in OOC because I was too far away. I don't generally complain about staff, but if I had taken an LOOC disagreement (not even an argument), and passively aggressively commented on it in OOC, I'd get bwoinked hard wouldn't I? I explicitly asked for it to be dropped, I specifically didn't want to have a drawn out conversation. If the wiki was wrong it was wrong, I even accounted for that by asking WHEN it changed, but when no answer came I dropped it. When the CMO didn't OOCly, I ASKED for it to be dropped OOCly because I didn't care enough to keep talking. Then had to ask several MORE times in OOC until I just finally went silent so Abo could have the final word he so desperately seemed to need in pestering me about "why" he brought it to OOC or "why" he wasn't dropping it.

Aboshehab LOOC'ed in to the conversation (which clearly meant he was listening, even to the part where I said "I'm not your dude" to someone using the god-awful phrase 'my dude'.

I saw parts of the conversation, I saw the part where Stella did use the word but I didn't notice the part where you asked them not to.

For transparencies sake, some logs were modified to hide the account names of players. You'll note the empty brackets.

This is precisely what I'm seeing from an observers point of view. So yes, I was watching to a certain degree, I had alt tabbed to verify the wiki and the code. So yes, I do apologize again as I have before for using "My dude" later on, as you did not like it, that's fine and fair.

He then changes the Wiki, and in OOC (not LOOC like he had before) decides to announce the change to "all relevant parties", in a passive aggressive way since it was clear OOCly I was annoyed by the behavior of calling me "my dude".

Yes, I did go to OOC with the changes. There were multiple members of medical aboard and I felt that it was better to post it in OOC, which is way more visible than LOOC, especially with the color chat I have.

This is all I said. I cited no specific person, I was general.

I then asked, equally passive aggressively, what would happen to a player who did that. This of course sparked more passive aggressive comments, to which I simply replied, "I asked for it to be dropped twice, so is it done yet?"

I'm not sure where the passive aggressiveness is from me. I didn't even realize you were being specific to me. When Worthy interjected, I did assume that you perhaps thought I was the CMO, so I did ask for it to stop then.

He decided to keep on pushing harder and harder like a child, telling me that me ASKING if it was done was only going to prolong him being passive aggressive, rather than acting like a head admin and walking away when the PLAYER manned up and walked away. I'd like to point out he wasn't part of the initial conversation, which meant he was listening, heard it, and interjected himself passive aggressively.

I still stand by my statement, which was pointing out the fact that you constantly asking for it to stop in the way you have, doesn't actually stop it. I think I've been cordial with you the entire exchange, and I deny any allegations of passive aggressiveness and trying to get the last word in.

I know he wasn't in the round, because when he LOOC'd it said this, " aboshehab: It starts empty.". But then later he couldn't LOOC because I wasn't near him? If you're not in the round, just ghost over to me. You're clearly NOT in the round, OR you're the CMO (Stella Alice) who I was talking to in LOOC, which you ghosted away from once already.

I addressed why I said this in OOC. I also do not play Stella Alice nor did I even play in that round. I was around this round strictly for server administration purposes. I saw another Admin play and I decided I'd let him enjoy himself more as I took some issues.

So in either case using the excuse, "Too far away to LOOC" makes no sense.

Not an excuse. It was a statement to your question in OOC that I didn't realize was an accusation to me. I didn't realize it upset you so I took it as a general question.

No you had to put on a broadway show and announce it passive aggressively in OOC because I was too far away.

I still deny this. As I said before, I felt I was cordial and did nothing with any malicious intent. Per my previous quote, I didn't realize it upset you.

The only thing I'm marginally guilty of here is using a term you dislike which was "my dude", and even then it wasn't out of malice. I often use terms such as fam, buddy, pal, friend and dude, this is the first instance where a person has disliked it. I still stand by the fact that by both my intent and execution, I was cordial to you. My interaction with you was devoid by passive aggressiveness and malice.

For clarification, I was not here for this, it's just what was said in the additional remarks section that seems incorrect.

LOOC always displays your ckey over your character name if you're observing in any capacity. Ergo, as a ghost, if you LOOC to someone, it will display your ckey only.

If you're not in the round, just ghost over to me.

He would have to, in order for you to even see the LOOC. Anyway, that's all.

1) Ok, well you hopped in instantly during the conversation, so sorry if I assumed you were watching.

2) Yes, you did say it was fair that I asked not to be called 'my dude'. You didn't apologize the first time, you just said it was fair, but NOW I accept the apology you are offering, as it's not a huge deal to me, I just find it an annoying phrase.

3) There were two of us who asked about it, one of which asked to drop it. You could have LOOCed the other, or both. Bringing it to OOC is not necessary after it was clearly stated that I wanted to drop it, which your first log shows me asking VERY explicitly. Additionally, you commenting wasn't what initially bugged me, it was the player of the CMO adding that little smirky face after your update that bugged me. I asked HIM to drop it, and he didn't. Then you didn't say anything to him. NORMALLY, if someone has a disagreement LOOCly, and asks to drop it bringing it up in OOC is grounds for bwoinking. But because he was basically just responding to you, it seemed like you just didn't say anything to him because /I/ was the outsider. But /I/ was the one who asked for it to be dropped.

4) Note this:

Korinra: If a PLAYER brought an LOOC disagreement to OOC, I wonder what would happen them

Korinra: Just a weird thought

See I changed it to show the word Player in all caps, because I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the CMO. Then you decided to just instantly side with him for some reason. Interesting choice.

5) Normally when adults disagree, one asking to drop the matter is grounds for the other to just say, "OK I agree to disagree" or something along those lines, not use little passive aggressive comments like, "my dude" to someone who is clearly not in the mood. If you had replied to me saying "I asked to drop it, so let's drop it", with something like, "That's fair". Fine, no problem. I asked to drop it, it wasn't important anymore, but no. No that wasn't enough, it still needed more for some reason, what did that benefit by pushing more out of it?

6) I kind of assumed initially that you weren't the CMO, because I assumed Worthy was the CMO, which again is why I used the word "player" and not "admin"

7) "Not an excuse. It was a statement to your question in OOC that I didn't realize was an accusation to me. I didn't realize it upset you so I took it as a general question."

Excuse me if I'm a bit confused by this logic since until your comment OOCly, I hadn't once said a word in OOC chat, only LOOC. Can you be more clear?

8) In your initial "hey I updated this" you were cordial, YOU were anyway. I don't think you realize WHY I'm upset at all based on this phrasing. So I'll stress it, I said, "Player", not "Admin". I wasn't initially upset at you until you sided with the annoying comment the player made after I specifically asked that player to drop it.

9) You're not "marginally" guilty of anything, that's not even possible. You either are or are not guilty of something by definition. Again saying you're "marginally" guilty of something is passive aggressive. You ARE guilty of that minor infraction, but again, I accepted your apology. I'd RATHER you not try to be passive aggressive about something I've twice told you before annoys me, but you did apologize so I'm willing to drop that small part of it if you are.

For clarification, I was not here for this, it's just what was said in the additional remarks section that seems incorrect.

LOOC always displays your ckey over your character name if you're observing in any capacity. Ergo, as a ghost, if you LOOC to someone, it will display your ckey only.

 

If you're not in the round, just ghost over to me.

 

He would have to, in order for you to even see the LOOC. Anyway, that's all.

Look at the third line in the second link in the original post where he says, "I can't LOOC you because you're too far away", but he's not in the game... so my point is, if you can't LOOC me because of distance, Verb FOLLOW, click my character name (since you interacted with it I know you know which one I am already), and click OK, now I'm NOT too far away.

For clarification, I was not here for this, it's just what was said in the additional remarks section that seems incorrect.

LOOC always displays your ckey over your character name if you're observing in any capacity. Ergo, as a ghost, if you LOOC to someone, it will display your ckey only.

 

If you're not in the round, just ghost over to me.

 

He would have to, in order for you to even see the LOOC. Anyway, that's all.

 

Look at the third line in the second link in the original post where he says, "I can't LOOC you because you're too far away", but he's not in the game... so my point is, if you can't LOOC me because of distance, Verb FOLLOW, click my character name (since you interacted with it I know you know which one I am already), and click OK, now I'm NOT too far away.

My reply was to your question. A player may currently be in-game and a discussion may have occurred in looc. In the event that neither of you are close enough for LOOC usage, some discussions can be taken to OOC. A player cannot ghost over to a person when they're currently playing, hence why I included the part about distance. I never said I was too far away. I simply did it because it was easier and showed the link to the whole department in one go along with others that may be interested on the modification, as the link took you directly to the Hypospray section.

For clarification, I was not here for this, it's just what was said in the additional remarks section that seems incorrect.

LOOC always displays your ckey over your character name if you're observing in any capacity. Ergo, as a ghost, if you LOOC to someone, it will display your ckey only.

He would have to, in order for you to even see the LOOC. Anyway, that's all.

 

Look at the third line in the second link in the original post where he says, "I can't LOOC you because you're too far away", but he's not in the game... so my point is, if you can't LOOC me because of distance, Verb FOLLOW, click my character name (since you interacted with it I know you know which one I am already), and click OK, now I'm NOT too far away.

 

My reply was to your question. A player may currently be in-game and a discussion may have occurred in looc. In the event that neither of you are close enough for LOOC usage, some discussions can be taken to OOC. A player cannot ghost over to a person when they're currently playing, hence why I included the part about distance. I never said I was too far away. I simply did it because it was easier and showed the link to the whole department in one go along with others that may be interested on the modification, as the link took you directly to the Hypospray section.

OK let me break it down again because there is miscommunication.

An LOOC conversation took place between me and the CMO. I told the CMO I wanted to drop it and it ended.

An admin posted in OOC.

Why as that post not just LOOC for me, the CMO, or once for both of us? Admins can privately message players, so distance is NEVER a factor. There was an argument that ended with one person telling the other they wanted to drop it, a quick, Bwoink, "Hey I updated the wiki you guys were talking about". would have been sufficient.

If it were a friendly chat where everyone was just talking about how a Wiki page was confusing, and then you updated it, then OOC is fine. But this wasn't a friendly chat, there was an argument that ended with one person telling the other, "I dropped it, I wish you would to". Bwoink, "Hey I updated it since it wasn't up to date" to both people, and now the conversation is still dropped. OOC opens the conversation back up, I dropped it but now the admin is talking about it in OOC, so now it's OK to comment again.

Hewwo

I will read through this and render a verdict tomorrow in the early AM.

Bringing it to OOC is not necessary after it was clearly stated that I wanted to drop it, which your first log shows me asking VERY explicitly.

Not your call to make. Given the reasoning for abosh doing it i find it pretty reasonable actually. It is really bizarre to me that you think this is passive aggressive at all. This Complaint is invalid. Locking and archiving.