Re: Burger's Developer Application

#41
> Sleep 7 hours
> Work for another 8
> Everyone shitposts a developer's application

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Where do I even begin.

Okay, first, let me make it clear that I've been on Lohikar's discord since it was created, and thus have followed most of the shenanigans there. And there are a few points I would like to present. First and foremost, I have very rarely observed him speak ill of specific community members. And in the cases that has happened, it's usually been from your list of usual suspects, eg Delta. I am certain that most folks who have been with the community for long enough can draw their own conclusions from this. Some thought should also be taken to figure out how much of it is just vexation. As, consider, I can not recount major instances where Burger has done actual work in a manner which is vindictive. And he has yielded to feedback, among other things.

Though, I will thoroughly acknowledge the points brought up by @MoondancerPony in the addendum to his post. I think that's one of the most reasonable responses in this thread, as a matter of fact. And perhaps more than one person from here should consider it. Ultimately, it should be taken into consideration that the relationship between a community and its staff (coder, admeme, CCIAA; doesn't matter) is symbiotic. Arguments by Pacman and Delta here have described parasitic relationships of various forms, but the truth is completely the opposite.

Now, here are my plans on what to do with this app. Already spoken to the devs and Burger, we will be inducting him into a month or two of trial. The objective will be to see how he handles himself wearing boi green. Basically in vain of what UM wrote. (Wtf, people have written up most of the stuff I wanted to say already.) Ultimately I am certain that, if needed, we are able to overcome what needs to be overcome. And if not, then Burger gets to hang around as a contributor and so forth. The trial induction will happen over the course of this week.
"Homo homini lupus est," for more often than not, we forget to act human towards others.

Still, despite our forgetful nature, there will always be the next day.

Re: Burger's Developer Application

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BurgerBB wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:38 pm
Chada1 wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:59 pm
BurgerBB wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:59 pm
The feedback I see here is: "-1. No, just NO. I'm tired of this constant power creep to mining, these kinetic accelerators are too strong, and it completely just invalidates any other way of mining such as C4 or the plasma cutter. I just cannot support this. Mining doesn't deserve any more additions, how about you buff science instead?"
The feedback here is i'm tired of seeing you treat people like shit, and I don't want to see you doing it with dev colors. This isn't about your code, it's how you've been treating people in your threads.

Assuming you were willing to stop doing that, I would change my feedback. But so far, all i'm seeing is you refusing to budge or alter your behavior whatsoever. Instead, you claim we're the problem for being offended by how you conduct yourself, as you continuously make it a point to mock everyone who posts. The problem is you're conducting yourself more like an internet troll than a developer.
Name anyone I've treated like shit and what I've said to give off the impression that I'm treating like shit and I'll attempt to explain why I've said/done those things.
The majority of posts you make have bait in them. It usually has a misrepresentation that is meant to be offensive. I even quoted one case of this in your former paragraph.
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"The feedback I see here is: "-1. No, just NO. I'm tired of this constant power creep to mining, these kinetic accelerators are too strong, and it completely just invalidates any other way of mining such as C4 or the plasma cutter. I just cannot support this. Mining doesn't deserve any more additions, how about you buff science instead?"
is something you typed to offend anyone who disagreed with your changes in a former feedback thread, drastically misrepresenting the majority of feedback given in the thread.

You also did these 'examples' that misrepresented and ad hominem'd people several times all throughout multiple of your own threads, and even conflated their opinions with the absolute worst you've seen for a specific department, as if what a character does ICly represents an OOC opinion, while using the same argument for your own opinions. I've caught you insulting someone who dared to share map concepts in another Discord in one of your suggestion threads when it was entirely on topic for the thread, ontop of multiple other times of you venting off server and basically proclaiming that you shittalk people off server where they can't see it on purpose.

You don't treat any one person like shit, you treat many people like shit and not even jokingly like Fowl and Alberyk. Let me ask, what do these contribute? Do they contribute anything other than offending the person you're talking to? No, they don't, you're doing nothing more than attacking the sincerity of the poster. This is the behavior I have a problem with, i'm only asking you to stop and maybe treat people with a basic decency.
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NT-ROBO 486 (Formerly NT-A)
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(Previously an Android, it has recently been 'Upgraded' to a modern Robotic Computing Circuit. While it now lacks the ability of complex thought, it has been improved in multiple other ways.)

You see what seems to be a Robotic model before you. It looks very minimal but polished, mostly an Endoskeletal vibe with a new coat of paint. It'd have added plating and the regular core Modules as normal. It sounds very Monotone. It'd have writing on the center panel, "Now Improved!" Could be seen in bold.

Starting at the Chassis headplate, the optical sensors shine a blue, glowing light. The Opticals would be very visible in darkness, though they wouldn't emit much light beyond a glow. It could be distracting for onlookers, but never blinding.

Below the headplate, the 'Shoulders' of the Endoskeleton and some of the 'Lower body' have been re-enforced with Steel plating. This plating is usually replaced at the end of the Units work-cycle, or in the event of extreme damage. It's Spray-painted with bright colors depending on the Units current designation.

As for movement, the Unit has a pair of relatively light high-traction treads, very resistant to displacement, unless pulled. It tends to make little noise, one of the few boons of the model.

Elsewhere, on the front of the Unit, below the plating, it would have writing on the center panel, symbolising the Unit model and callsign: NT ROBOT 27-NT-U-486

When it speaks, it is rather monotone, hinting that the on-board Voice Modulator is also less-than-current.
Other characters that I play: Orbul Qablri'Tri-Qyu, To Journey Past The Known, Those Who Brave The Dark, Pe n %^ Y.
Junked characters I no longer play: Gale Russel, Isaac Einsley, Walks With The Rootsong, Penny (The Android), Warmth Of a Candlelight.

Re: Burger's Developer Application

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Applicant put on trial, effective 23JUN2018.
"Homo homini lupus est," for more often than not, we forget to act human towards others.

Still, despite our forgetful nature, there will always be the next day.

Re: Burger's Developer Application

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Context: Fun argument happened. Burger once again plays the victim to counter-argue criticism, I pull up his infamous example of his utter lack of disrespect for one of his critics (myself), and he decides to rebuke it in a fantastic manner:
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I am blown away by this tactical nuke of tactlessness. This is the exact thing he was told not to do. Everything Skull said about symbiosis in relation to Burger was at best, hopeful idealism. Burger's current display of justifying his own actions shows the truth of who he is as a contributor and as a person.

No. This person absolutely does not have my support as server staff, far from it. Skull would be making a complete mistake if he gave this person a pass to be staff. This is the exact pitfall Nanako underwent with her ego and her pitiful racism in general.

I'm not gonna "wait and see" again for the next instance of this bigot to screw the pooch because he has no idea how to responsibly interact with people and keep his own nonsense in check.

He does not deserve to be on staff. This is a terrible representation for who you want in a staff member.

See above at everything Chada1 also stated in the reply before Skull's. He hit on the nail on the head on every single issue pertaining to Burger's complete lack of respect for criticism that isn't overwhelmingly suiting his own personal agenda.

Is it too soon that this happens literally not even a day after the owner of Papa Johns resigns as chairman because he dropped a tactical nuke of a racial slur in a very inappropriate setting? What the hell, man.
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This statement also did not age well. Burger barely has the temperament to contain himself from using a racial slur for a supposed 'comparison' to justify behavior instead of apologizing for it. By God, what a dark timeline this is where it is appropriate to use racial slurs and aggravated comments about disabled people to compare to community members.

That's not the mark of a responsible individual. That's someone who makes excuses and casts blame everywhere else but on themselves.

Forgive me for being dramatic, but this is just ridiculous.
Direct action is not always the best way. It is a far greater victory to make another see through your eyes than to close theirs forever.

When one relies on sight to perceive the world, it is like trying to stare at the galaxy through a crack in the door.
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Re: Burger's Developer Application

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Alright, this may sound like I'm deflecting most of the blame here, but I suggest reading until the end since I like doing things chronologically.

I posted an idea and some work in the discord channel. Someone unofficially said "It's shit" and I responded by saying that I don't like when they say that. This irritated me a little, and the irritation got a little worse Scheveningen butted in saying that I'm not addressing their point, so I then get back on topic and start talking about the point at hand. Scheveningen proceeded to make backhand comments about how I don't value other people's opinions, which irritated me again, but I opted out to avoid opening that can of worms. A productive conversation about the addition ensured with other users. After the conversation, announced that I will be trying to change the viewport to 640x640 to see what would happen in a test, and then I left to check on my guacamole. I come back to lohikar got a little heated due to Scheveningen's inability to understand the change and announced that they were done trying to explain that to them, but Scheveningen made a backhand comment that Lohikar ignored (https://i.imgur.com/9H3O0aA.png). I asked if people got upset with my 640x640 test, and people said yes. I expressed my amusement via caps lock cruise control and tried explaining that it was a test on my personal pc and I don't even know if it actually does anything (spoiler alert: it does nothing).

For reasons not quite known to me, Scheveningen brought up the fact that I called him a disabled manchild quite a while ago, and posted an old screenshot of me doing such. I made a huge mistake and corrected him, saying that at the time I actually called him autistic and said that he was disruptive and buts into other people's buisness like an child with down's syndrome in the back of the class. It's the silly "I didn't call you an X, I said that you were LIKE an X" defense, which I admitted was a bad defense, and I admitted that what I said was awful; hence the analogy that racists typically use when they call people racial slurs, and me saying that it's a bad defense and a bad post. What I said at that time was awful and no staff member should say such things, and I apologize for making such comments in the past.

As for the comments perceived to be racist, they weren't meant to be bigoted or racist. I fully apologize to anyone who may have been offended by my use of the n-word, and I half apologize to @ParadoxSpace. It seemed at the time that everyone was a little heated, especially me, and I do not take any remarks made towards me personally.
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Re: Burger's Developer Application

#46
You chose to express yourself initially by comparing me to someone with Down's Syndrome in the most derogatory term possible for someone with the disability, a "Downie." Goes to show what respect you have for the disabled and to also accuse me of being such by making that comparison.

When I call you on having done this shit, you extrapolate and barely change the definition of what you were defining me by.

You then drop the tactical nuke of a slur directed at me because you apparently didn't find any other method that was appropriate enough to make your point. You are full of shit when you say you meant no offense. If you meant no offense you would not even found the justification to even type out that disaster of a sentence to make a point. I literally had someone tell me that they expected better of you than to say that, because with your acerbic wit you've found much more tasteful ways of getting your point across than whatever today was.

And you dare say you had no intention of being offensive or racist at all, after the 'Downie' comment? Why should anyone believe you?

I have not seen a single, directed apology in my DMs for your behavior towards me. You went to one person to mistakenly apologize to them even though they were not even the person you meant to apologize to. And then you make a 'half-apology' to Paradox who was barely even involved in this entire situation, the only person you initially attempted to privately apologize to.

Do you know why I'm so pissed off about this? Because you have not once attempted an apology directed at me for the initial insult. "The action was unacceptable, I know" means absolutely nothing to anyone alone. You did not once directly to say me, "I take responsibility for this, I apologize, it will not happen again", because in spite if you've said that, you did it again anyway. You following up with that second bombshell display of anti-social tendencies just seals the deal in how I'm supposed to approach you now.

Your justification and actions are absolutely terrible all in all.

Paradox is not even close to being the person you should be apologizing to. He was absolutely not the person you were attempting to offend. Your behavior is absolutely unacceptable as both a player and a trial staff member. What is wrong with you?
Direct action is not always the best way. It is a far greater victory to make another see through your eyes than to close theirs forever.

When one relies on sight to perceive the world, it is like trying to stare at the galaxy through a crack in the door.
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Re: Burger's Developer Application

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The slur wasn't directed at you, or anyone. It was a quote from typical racists who use the "I didn't call you a x, I only COMPARED you to an X" when they try to provoke people of color. The Aurorastation discord has a pretty clear policy on the use of the n-word. If you search it up on discord, you can see various staff members, users, and godking garn himself using it appropriately in humor, however again, I apologize to anyone who was offended by this.

Also, I wasn't aware that this whole situation regarding what was said was unresolved. I was under the impression that it was resolved because in a discord DM, we both moved on as showcased in the complaint thread about you. As I said earlier, the "downie" comment I made was terrible and I apologize for making it,
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Re: Burger's Developer Application

#48
The slur wasn't directed at you, or anyone. It was a quote from typical racists who use the "I didn't call you a x, I only COMPARED you to an X" when they try to provoke people of color.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Good thing you mentioned this after the fact, that way I can't possibly be upset about your conduct.
The Aurorastation discord has a pretty clear policy on the use of the n-word. If you search it up on discord, you can see various staff members, users, and godking garn himself using it appropriately in humor, however again, I apologize to anyone who was offended by this.
Okay. Context. Let's see what Garn says about this.
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OK. Precedent that garn sets here; "Do not make a habit of throwing that word around here, and don't throw it around lightly."

You threw it into a conversation very lightly where the entire convo would've better off without your extremely poor attempt to make humor out of a legitimate racial slur.
Also, I wasn't aware that this whole situation regarding what was said was unresolved. I was under the impression that it was resolved because in a discord DM, we both moved on as showcased in the complaint thread about you. As I said earlier, the "downie" comment I made was terrible and I apologize for making it,
I honor my agreements I made with others until those individuals no longer honor theirs that they made with me. I have no obligation to attempt in restoring trust, integrity and coordination in an exchange to try and repair the ever-expanding rift that keeps growing, if the person I made an agreement with decides "okay all bets are off" the very next day. I outright question the value of your supposed commitments that you said you'd hold yourself to, because I didn't just say for you to stop being toxic to me, I told you to stop being toxic to other people as well. You cannot do this. You are so far incapable of doing this because you have never once shown self-control under fire. You always crack wise back, make excuses and only apologize when you actually seem like you're in a great deal of trouble.

Apology not accepted. You took far too long to even apologize because you don't even think you did anything wrong. Only now that you may actually catch flak for what you did will you actually apologize so you can safe face. This doesn't show you're capable of respecting people at all, you think people's opinions are dirt from the get go if they don't agree with you.

I do not think you can be trusted. I do not think you will be able to coordinate well with attitudes differing from your own. I do not think you have the integrity to be a staff member.
Direct action is not always the best way. It is a far greater victory to make another see through your eyes than to close theirs forever.

When one relies on sight to perceive the world, it is like trying to stare at the galaxy through a crack in the door.
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Re: Burger's Developer Application

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That is not acceptable behaviour that we want from a staff member, and it's frankly not at all funny. At all, in any way. I don't want Burger on the staff team.

If you even look over their discord messages, even with context, they're a bundle of toxicity and bullshit racism, even if he says it's not racist it fucking is and he hasn't stopped.

Here's an example. I know it was already posted but it's huge bullshit. You can go back and look in the discord logs for context as well, he badly tries to explain it. He's tried to defend himself here as well but he's not stopped, as you can see in Jackboot's screenshot. I don't want this even in the discord.
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