Re: The Leyon Gunsmithing LLC Everyman

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As above, really. The odds of this gun being impactful with the current status quo are terribly low.

Current lore events have made some characters super cautious about the idea of people being able to easily obtain a weapon as a civilian and the risk of them doing something with it. We call that pulling a Halstere.

It's super unlikely that HOS characters will suddenly allow people to start carrying cheap guns that easily cause the worst damage type in the game: brain damage, if aimed appropriately at its ideal range.
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Re: The Leyon Gunsmithing LLC Everyman

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again yeah, civilians having guns just screams " i know what round it is " or " i want to have the one up no matter what round it is " people are treating the aurora again as if this was a city or something other then an extremely secure research facility.

the station is checked by a clean up crew, the crew is checked before, after and during operations; why would anyone be afraid of anything to the point it justifies them being armed?

the guns cargo can order would realistically only be for RnD/Security and has no practical value being the hands of any staff member, the form itself is a gimmicky low rp mechanic that is there to justify arming people in antag rounds

it would genuinely stop me from playing if people started demanding guns, it's akin to " HoP all access pls? " and i dont think it has any place on the server...


a shitty gun? ,..just to be there ontop of the other 10 guns in code that arent used? sure.
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Re: The Leyon Gunsmithing LLC Everyman

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Lohikar wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:27 pm
I don't really see why normal personnel would be allowed to carry firearms on a corporate research station.
A corporate research station.
That is out of the Icarus' range.
With various non-antag threats (Carp, tunnel dwellers, etc.)
Frequent visits from traders, some of which are Vox who are known to be possibly violent or dangerous.
On top of that, while the ISD is reliable at best, it's completely dysfunctional at worst.
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Re: The Leyon Gunsmithing LLC Everyman

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DronzTheWolf wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:16 pm
Lohikar wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:27 pm
I don't really see why normal personnel would be allowed to carry firearms on a corporate research station.
A corporate research station.
That is out of the Icarus' range.
With various non-antag threats (Carp, tunnel dwellers, etc.)
Frequent visits from traders, some of which are Vox who are known to be possibly violent or dangerous.
On top of that, while the ISD is reliable at best, it's completely dysfunctional at worst.
It's within the Icarus' range considering that the station gets malfunctioning drones from them occasionally.
The security department is there to deal with carp/tunnel-dwellers, why would civvies be directly interacting with them?
Traders are also vetted by CC before they're allowed to come, p sure.

I don't think the sec department being totally incompetent to the point where bringing guns is required is canon either.

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Lohikar wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:08 am
It's within the Icarus' range considering that the station gets malfunctioning drones from them occasionally.
The security department is there to deal with carp/tunnel-dwellers, why would civvies be directly interacting with them?
Traders are also vetted by CC before they're allowed to come, p sure.

I don't think the sec department being totally incompetent to the point where bringing guns is required is canon either.
The drones only ever go that far out because it loses control of them. Any time a ship shows up, it's out of the Icarus' range.
As for 'why would civilians interact with the big angry things' it's because EVA roles exist. Shaft miner, Engineer(barely), and Xenoarchaeology/Anomalist.
One could argue that they could use tools as makeshift weapons, but that's a whole can of worms that's not worth opening. The only other weapon that Cargo has that'd be realistically approved for civilian carry is the derringer, which as opposed to the 'potential brain damage' some say this could give, can just headgib any antag coming after you.
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Re: The Leyon Gunsmithing LLC Everyman

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all of these non-antag threats are easily delt with by anything from a welder, wrench, toolbox; or ... running

i play xenoarcheologist alot and I played engineering for like a year or two; i have never been engaged outside in such an extreme i needed a gun _ever_


for what you're arguing it is for, it is not worth the side effects
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Re: The Leyon Gunsmithing LLC Everyman

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Ferguson wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:03 am
all of these non-antag threats are easily delt with by anything from a welder, wrench, toolbox; or ... running

i play xenoarcheologist alot and I played engineering for like a year or two; i have never been engaged outside in such an extreme i needed a gun _ever_


for what you're arguing it is for, it is not worth the side effects
Yes but does it make sense to charge a giant man-eating beast the size of you with a toolbox or a wrench?
That and the fact that Tunnel Dwellers have a ranged laser that can put you into crit pretty fast if you're not careful on managing the groups of them
Plus "Not worth the side effects" implies that an HoS would allow you to carry this, gun permits are few and far between. This is mostly meant to be ordered for Rev and the like to get as opposed to rifles and shotguns. A cheap gun to arm everyone instead of a few getting weapons and armor and the rest having to go torch and pitchfork.
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Re: The Leyon Gunsmithing LLC Everyman

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Honestly, the reaction to this suggestion is completely unsurprising.

Anyways, this is a good idea. This feels very much like the single shot pistols the allies would airdrop to French resistance fighters during the Nazi occupation. I feel like something like this would need to be easily concealed in a pocket or even a boot to go along with the civ feel.
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