BYOND Key: DrumstickJones
Staff BYOND Key: Euzo
Game ID: bQA-cDnS (this is the Game ID of a round at least one round after the incident, probably two)
Reason for complaint: Mod Abuse
Evidence/logs/etc: https://pastebin.com/ZSENg5BQ
Additional remarks: during a round where i was playing a vampire antagonist, i entered mining as a cargo tech to drain blood. i hacked the door and intentionally left it locked to successfully do this, and i did it when no one was in mining, no one saw what i did or reported it as i was doing it. after some interactions with some miners that entered mining through the airlock (yahir and hunter) another miner attempted to enter mining through cargo but was unable to do so. yahir then demanded that i should give him my gloves so he could hack the door and i refused. i also had a drill pointed at me by hunter and was told if i didn't hand over my gloves, "i would be gibbed". instead of calling for engineering to fix the door, he grabbed me and started removing my gloves with a weapon pointed at me. not only was this an OOC response to the situation (as far as anyone was concerned, the door was just broken) me and yahirs player have had several bad interactions that has resulted in bad blood between us across multiple rounds, making the response a personal one and not IC at all. I responded by attacking the guy that was mugging me, and was blasted with a drill. the rest is pretty evident from the logs, but when i reported this incident to a mod, ezuo, the mod made repeated ridiculous attempts to justify the players actions. here are a few examples.
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Well, you were attacking them
PM to Ezuo: they were attacking me for my shit!
PM to Ezuo: yahir was mugging me
PM to Ezuo: i attacked to get him to back up and hunter blasted me with a fucking drill
PM to Ezuo: yahir told me to give him my gloves, i told him no, he mugged me for them, i attacked in self defense, and out of nowhere fucking hunter blasts me with a drill
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Really? Because from all other accounts it sounds like you locked them into cargo by bolting doors.
all other accounts? the mod had the log, they saw the chain of events right there in front of them. mod knew that i did what i did when no one was around, no one knew i had bolted the door, as far as everyone in the room was concerned (and i had said IC) i was trapped in the room with them. not only is the mod just going with the account given to them by what i assume is yahir without actually checking the log, the mod is just flat out ignoring the actual problem, that what happened was completely unjustified and OOC, no engineering was called, no attempts were made to repair the door through actual channels IC, i was just held at gunpoint and had my things taken from me. you can kind of see what appears to be a bias here, but it becomes clearer later.
another note here, one of the miners openly admitted to the sec officer that no one saw me lock those doors. its in the chat let me find it...
Noir asks, "Who blocked the door?"
Cheshire has analyzed Israel Harrow's vitals.
Mia Parker says, "I don't know."
Your whole body is going numb!
Your upper body hurts badly.
Araa Plenek attempts to buckle Israel Harrow into the roller bed!
Yahir Jones says, "Mia, you saw Israel bullshitting us."
Mia Parker says, "I assume whomever bolted closed that door."
You are buckled to the roller bed by Araa Plenek!
Yahir Jones says, "Tell em'."
somewhere in there she repeats herself, that she doesnt actually know if i bolted the doors. even after this admission, Noir arrests me, a flaming, injured man, for tampering with the door. but thats just a side note. the mod saw this.
PM to Ezuo: i was locked in cargo with them for the love of god and the 100th time
PM to Ezuo: they had no idea that i did anything, because i did NOTHING in front of them
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Did you bolt the doors by hacking them?
PM to Ezuo: yes, while no one was in mining period. they had no idea it was me and just assumed it.
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: So you DID trap them in cargo by bolting the doors?
PM to Ezuo: does it matter? at all? there was no escelation
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: It does matter, actually. First they were trapped, and just wanted to get out. They try to reclaim the gloves, so that they can hack out. You start punching. Its not like they had a taser or stunbaton on them.
two points to be made here. first, i'm trying to point to the fact that the players broke one of the server rules. there has to be an escalation of violence, and that's if you are an antag. i'm not sure, but they were most likely all three (miners) not antags, and on top of that, they were acting out of character to the extreme in just attacking me for my stuff, and straight away blasted me with a drill when i defended myself. you can see that this isn't even being considered by ezuo, the mod just brings up the fact that they needed my stuff and took it from me. which brings up my second point, the mod is acting like it's completely ok to do what they did just because they needed something i had, which they didn't, because they should've called engineering in the first place. this is the same mod that has repeatedly bwoinked me for hacking doors when my character should not, and here we are, with a player not only doing the same crap i constantly catch shit over with this mod, but they are doing it by not playing out a scenario to its logical conclusions, AND blasting the shit out of me with a drill while they do it! Ezuo keeps bringing it back to "well they needed your stuff" but that's bullshit. i need things i can't get from other players all the goddamn time, and i can't just shoot them and take it. i would be explaining myself to a mod seconds after, and probably banned for doing something that fucking stupid. lets just say they were antags, and taking things from other players could be expected. the way it happened was against server rules, but this is being ignored by ezuo completely. you can see this in the next examples. SIDE NOTE: Ezuo says they tried to reclaim the gloves, there was no reclaiming them, they were my gloves to begin with that i ordered on the shuttle.
PM to Ezuo: what, are you kidding me? so i can go around demanding everyones stuff and if they dont give it to me, i can attack them and take it? then when they defend themselves, i can attempt to gib them?
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You're blowing what they did, and what you did, way outta whack. They wanted a way to /stop being trapped/. What would you do if I locked you in a 10x10 room and said you couldn't leave?
i literally described exactly what happened. what would i do if i was trapped with someone else in a room and they said i couldn't leave? first off, i didn't say they couldn't leave, and i used no force in keeping them in there. i just didn't give them my gloves. second, if i was stuck in a room because of a door with someone who was not immediately threatening me, i would call for assistance on the damn radio! like the character i'm playing would do in the situation they are in! they had no idea IC that i had locked those doors. they were meta gaming by assuming i did, because no one in that room witnessed it. no one was in there when i originally hacked the door. there was no "this guy trapped us in here i saw it and he won't let us leave now", it was "we are all trapped in here and the door won't work, we need to call for assistance" which my character backed up IC.
PM to Ezuo: dude im not blowing anything out of whack, thats exactly what happened. EXACTLY what happened
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I can tell you for a fact, that is not exactly what happened. You're angry that you got caught, I get it, but thats no reason to try and get other players punished OOCly.
bullshit. exuo had the logs, ezuo saw exactly what happened. this is a flat out lie. you can really start to see that there is some relationship with yahir, and ezuo is backing him up.
PM to Ezuo: i dont give a shit that i got caught, and i get that you are cool with yahir, but i was robbed, and when i defended myself i was blasted from nowhere with a lazer and thats not cool. you know damn good and well if i did that shit i would be explaining myself to you
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: They didn't even punch you once. You were the only one punching and kicking.
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: And hitting Yahir with a crowbar
PM to Ezuo: he grabbed me and took my shit. i attacked in defense
this is after, at the beginning of the round, yahir just randomly grabbed me and threw me onto a table. then when i was attacked by a crate in cargo and was calling security, he decided to say over comms i was being bitchy or something, like i was snitching on him. its at the beginning of the round, the very beginning. yahir does this shit every round i play with him after we got into it the first time, grabbing me, choking me, throwing me around, pushing me down, all randomly with no IC reasoning behind it.
also, im being processed in jail at this point, after being fucked up, and the officers ignore my OOC saying i'm dealing with a mod, and "assume that i'm guilty because i'm not talking" and lock me up. nice, thanks.
PM to Ezuo: you are intentionally doing this, you have the logs and see exactly what happened
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I wonder why they wanted the gloves... Maybe it was to unbolt the doors that you had bolted, and leave the small area that you had confined them in.
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: Yes, I /do/ have the logs. Which is why I'm telling you what I am.
no fucking shit, really? there was a reason i wanted the doors bolted, that's not an excuse to do what they did. you don't get to just fuck people up on a goddamn HRP server just because you need something they have, not like that. ezuo knows whats going on and is letting it happen, this might as well be hippie station at this point. again, i'm a damn vampire trying to roleplay a damn vampire. ezuo knows exactly what is happening here and is intentionally being obtuse for the benefit of Yahir.
PM to Ezuo: so again, if i need something from someone else i can just take it from them? is that what you are saying?
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You know full well that's not what I'm saying. Don't give me loaded questions.
that's literally exactly what ezuo is saying here. they "needed" my gloves (they really needed to call engineering, there was no threat to them until they assaulted me for my gloves) so they are justified in attacking me for them. you can kind of see that ezuo knows what happened and the way they are handling it was wrong when ezuo says "don't give me loaded questions". it wasn't a loaded question, it was the exact same scenario in reverse.
PM to Ezuo: you are yahir arent you
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: I'm not even in the round
PM to Ezuo: yahir wanted my gloves so he took them
PM to Ezuo: you are saying it was justified
PM to Ezuo: so if i want someones shit, i can just take it
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: You're leaving out vital facts, on purpose. I'm afraid this conversation is over.
PM to Ezuo: then fucking blast them with a drill
[Moderator PM] Ezuo: If you are unhappy with the ruling, feel free to make a staff complaint.
PM to Ezuo: how do i report you, i know you are just fucking with me and its not cool
the rest is pretty irrelevant.
this is a HRP server. Im going to describe to you exactly what happened as non biased as i can, and ask youself if
A) the players actions were IC in the moment and justifiable
B) knowing how the situation went down, if it was handled propperly by the mod
C) knowing A and B, is it clear that there is a ganging up (to sound like a internet baby) on me by players and mod.
-in secret and with no witnesses, i broke into mining and bolted the door, with the intent to RP my vampire role.
-players wanted out of mining (not a 2x2 room, only the door to the breakroom was locked.) and demanded my gloves so they could hack the door. i refused to give them my gloves. there was no violence, not even as a vampire at this point.
-i was held at gunpoint by one player while another one grappled with me, and stole my gloves. (instead of calling engineering)
-i attacked in self defense, first with fists, but when it became clear no one was going to stop, i attacked with a crowbar.
-i was immediately blasted with a mining drill. no warning, no "stop", no "put your hands up", i was just blasted.
-i placed a complaint in with a mod.
-after much back and forth, and talking in circles, the mod justified the player response because "they were trapped and needed my things"
the interaction starts at line 454 in the paste bin, and as a side note, you can see that Yahir says
Yahir Jones says, "I'm not gonna ask why you hacked into here."
but i want to again stress that Yahir, NO ONE saw me hack into the mining bay. Yahir was still outside of the airlock when i came in. i know because the first thing i did after hacking in was check to see if anyone was in the mining bay, and i saw yahir standing outside of it waiting on an airlock. no one was on the other side of the belt, no one saw me come in. just above line 454, you can see that i had put my tools back into my bag before he came in, there was no reason to KNOW that i hacked in, just that i was in a room i diddnt have access to. the door could of been open (that's what my player said to cover) i could of followed someone in/out, anything.
Look. I know that this is a pain in the ass. But let me explain something to you. im 27, im a shit poor factory worker with 4 kids, i live check to check. i struggle with anxiety and depression. i was just recently denied a job that would of been life changing for my family, and have been struggling with depression like you wouldn't believe. i've been down on myself, i've lost interest in just about everything in my life that i enjoyed, and discovering this game and this server was the best thing that's happened to me in a long time. playing this game has given me a chance to get out of my goddamn head, and relax and have fun. for the most part, everyone on the server is great, and i've really enjoyed my time here. this incident has completely ruined the game for me, and took the only thing i have left that i enjoy. I feel like i have to tip toe around certain players, because clearly they can act any way they want to and they will have mod backing. i understand that being a server admin isn't a paying job, but its still one that requires professionalism, and neutral enforcement, and what Ezuo did was anything but that. I cant enjoy the game anymore, or immerse myself in the character, because at this point its clear that the next time Yahir or anyone friendly/involved with him or Ezuo decides to walk all over me in game, they will be completely backed by the mod, to ridiculous logical extremes. i'm depressed just dealing with this. i feel like a bitch for even complaining, but I essentially lost the last fun thing in my life i had. This isn't how a mod should act. Completely ignoring the logs, ignoring and outright lying about the facts, you could almost feel them laughing behind their screens. I feel like nothing is going to come of this, worst case scenario Ezuo gets a warning, and i'm stuck either not playing the game or playing and wondering how many times Yahir will be able to talk shit, throw me around, or gib me and get away with it because Ezuo likes him or doesn't like me.