VaValor

If you were drunk, why should we trust that you can control yourself? This is not a "minor" prick. You escalate the situation for no reason at all to the point of you being arrested. This is starting to go into the lines of valid hunting and this will make people dislike you, a lot. You are being a dick to antags and trying to get them arrested because you OOCly know they are antag? Calling people liars, scandals, and scum when they show zero intention of being hostile? You clearly admitted to the fact that you are ignoring pain and acting unrealistically while a sane person will not break their own bones because they got ten minutes inside the brig. Why should people roleplay with you? You constantly act dickish and annoying, and thrown in a cell. When you act like this, do not expect everyone has to roleplay with you. Alright, I will admit, the teleportation is a little shady and you have knowledge of it. But there is still issues with this. I did not use the shrunkins on you nor the sword until I used it on you, you would ICly have zero knowledge about this hard suit and what it has installed on it. Are you implying that you called me a liar because you magically knew that this suit was fully armed? All I really did was teleport. Secondly, the people inside the holodeck did call you a bad sport, and you kept ignoring the fact I non-lethaled you four times to "lol rush and punch." That is why I cut your arm off, and you even continued until medical pushed you down to get you to stop. I got flack from security when I cut off your arm. The logs would state otherwise. I threw the plate into the goal and you just walked up and flashed me. I do not run around the station as CSI pretending to be an officer, I respond to calls as a detective and try to de-escalate situations but that's it, I only preform arrests as detective if I'm the only member of security. "If you were drunk why should we trust you to control yourself?" One, I said I was drunk OOCly, which rarely happens, I'm not an alcoholic. Two, because being drunk isn't being high on meth, I'm not a crazed lunatic just because I'm drunk, I'm still able to control myself, I just make poor judgement calls sometimes, I.e, that one time. "This is not a "minor" prick. You escalate the situation for no reason at all to the point of you being arrested." / "Are you implying that you called me a liar because you magically knew that this suit was fully armed? All I really did was teleport." No, I did not escalate the situation to the point of being arrested, and to kill two birds with one stone, no, I didn't "magically" know you had those built into your suit, what are you implying? I'm saying I knew you had them after you used them, I.e, teleportation, yes, a bit shifty. Then you used non-lethals on me despite as the captain had said, you're a basically nothing but a visitor, even more shady, to the point I'm even more skeptical of the "time traveler captain" with military grade shurikens and a teleporter, and I don't think anyone would take kindly to having energy darts thrown into them. And then you cut off my arm over punches? I mean, from what I've seen from current captains that's a bit lax so that was clearly a dead giveaway, you should've cut off both my legs and arms. (Joking slightly, very clearly, but a Captain of a very high-tech space station 100 years in the future wouldn't cut off someones arm just because they were punched, you should have at the VERY least called security if you wanted your "I'm the captain in the future" gimmick to continue working, as it was a flimsy facade to begin with. "This is starting to go into the lines of valid hunting and this will make people dislike you, a lot. You are being a dick to antags and trying to get them arrested because you OOCly know they are antag? Calling people liars, scandals, and scum when they show zero intention of being hostile?" And, you took that bit entirely wrong, I said I act like an ass when I'm an antag, not the other way around, you're saying that I validhunt because I act rude when I'm an antag, I never said that I use the fact I'm a cultist to spreekill, I said that I act slightly off when I'm an antag, or I act suspicious when I'm traitor, when I was cultist, for example, I walked over to the bar as a detective and walked into the kitchen, drawing my gun and taking the chef hostage, I called security over and made demands, first off was I wanted the book I held studied by scientists, I demonstrated that there was actual magic inside the book by arming myself with robes and a sword, afterwhich I demanded glasses, earmuffs, and a gasmask, so that flashbangs and pepperspray wouldn't harm me (durr metagame? No, because I was security, and I would know what tacitcs security would use when dealing with hostage situations.) At this point tensions started to grow, and security was doubting I'd shoot the hostage, so I shoot him in the foot for proof, at which point I demand I get a doctor to come in here to fix him, I then hear noises coming from maint so my character starts freaking out, it was around this time security started to burst in, so did I shoot the chef? No, with admin permission, I put my revolver in my mouth and pulled the trigger, my career was ruined and there was no coming back from taking a fellow employee hostage, and if I wasn't HuT, I would at the very least get a hefty brig sentance and a demotion, which would ruin everything, I took myself out of the game for the sake of roleplay, does this sound like validhunting to you? Did I validhunt myself? Everyone had a good time except the guy that had to bring me my earmuffs/glasses/gasmask, because I had to demand that he strip to his underwear so he couldn't conceal any weapons. Not to mention, not being hostile =/= I magically trust just anybody that magically trespasses into a secure corporate space station, or just any "visitor" that claims they "got lost on their way to the space denny's" "You clearly admitted to the fact that you are ignoring pain and acting unrealistically while a sane person will not break their own bones because they got ten minutes inside the brig." No. I did not admit to ignoring pain. And no, It was not 10 minutes in the brig, it was HuT for various charges, I wasn't in solitary for a petty 10 minutes in the brig, and I wasn't told for no reason that I was HuT. You teleported right up next to the goal and THEN threw it in, logs will prove that both of the dude-bro's that invented the sport said something along the lines of "Woah, is that like, even legal?" to which the other responded "Like, I think that's cheating!" (Paraphrasing slightly.) How was this at all metagame? Injecting you with sleep toxins (something a doctor told me to do isn't metagame. Lying to you to get you to you in order to get you to approach me is not metagame. And there was no "good will." You approached me to kill me, and the second you arrived on the station you were typing in all-caps and bold talking about how you came here for "revenge," and even after that you had murdered a crewmember, I actually felt kind of bad for shooting you when I saw you so I just watched what was going to happen by the elevators, at this point you started to murder a crewmember for "Disobeying", so excuse me for abusing the "goodwill" of a murdering shadow monster, and no, neither me, nor the doctor that gave me the syringes knew it would work, we both thought you were a lich and that the drugs would have no effect and I was hoping that the drugs would fail and I'd die horribly after even attempting this for good RP, and I later learned that the doctor wanted the same thing to happen, and no, it wasn't based on the ooc assumption that it was a human mob, it was Joe Vick rationalizing something he thought couldn't be real, "I mean, it has to die, right?" etc etc, what you mistook for metagaming was actually the ravings of a pants-pissingly terrified detective who wasn't trained to handle some eldritch monster of pure darkness, who was still somewhat busy "cleaning the ""drink"" he spilled off of his pants" And again, all your points here is that "I knew OOCly", I'm still pretty new to this server, I had no fucking clue what was going on OOCly or ICly, you and your chases actually scared the shit out of me both OOCly and ICly, it was actually thrilling to run away from a quickly approaching darkness, not being able to see anything and not even being able to fight back as you're torn apart from either heavy blows from fists or a sharp knife. And I "didn't care" (Which I did care, Joe was just trying to act tough even though he was horribly scared of what he was seeing because "holy shit this thing's going to kill me.") Because I was clearly able to see you couldn't stand up with your legs dislocated, and I wasn't "insulting" you, there were wisecracks, yes, to make light of a dark situation (no pun intended) but they weren't direct insults, and again, I did care, I just pretended not to care in your presence, when you were sedated, and when you were not in my presence, I made sure everyone knew how scared I was, and at one point I ran from the ERT and tried to escape on the shuttle because they wanted to use me as bait/hand me over to you so you could kill me and I was begging not to die almost the whole trip from escape to xenobio, just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it wasn't there, and even then, sometimes Joe slipped up, I.e, when you were in the custody of the ERT, when you snapped your head 180 degrees to look back at Joe he hid behind a locker and said "Don't look at me." (paraphrasing slightly, maybe it was "I didn't say anything" I don't remember entirely.)

Was not slander, and I was "shouting" (i.e, saying "man, that would've gone a lot smoother if i had a lawgiver, huh?) at the HoS, (whose life I saved) for not giving me appropriate equipment for the situation at hand, and he said that he wouldn't give me a lawgiver because I said I'd tase him if he killed a prisoner that was subdued, and yes, I insulted the captain (which is not slander, as there was feedback and a reason behind the insult) for not handling the situation appropriately, while a bit ironic, you're blowing this way out of proportion. And it's pretty bold to admit you have had little experience with me and yet say I'm the worst security officer when I almost never even play security officer, and keep mostly to CSI or detective, and when the only memorable experience is that one, singular thing.

There's a lot to cover for this... If I yelled at you in LOOC for authorizing a warrant I was either drunk (oocly) or I'm that stupid, Joe Vick is a character that's made to be disliked (slightly), he is a MINOR prick, he doesn't do anything extreme that would result in people wanting to kill him, he, as this thread suggests, does minor stuff that people get slightly annoyed at, but it is mostly all IC, of course I would be a dick during antag rounds, you hardly ever see a "nice heart of gold guy that just so happens to worship an elderitch god of death and blood" (cultist), you only see a manipulative cult leader that's either clearly insane or hides his insanity, or a nice corporate spy that makes everyone tea (traitor, duh), which is why most antag rounds aren't strictly canon, they can BE canon if the events are convoluted enough and muddled to the extent that you'd still be able to work for the company, as stated in the rules, but they don't HAVE to be canon, especially if they don't work for the character, and they don't work for Joe and his character, he's a minor prick, he's an ex-jarhead that doesn't know any better and he's trying his best to re-intergrate into civilian life as best he can, but anyone that has ever met an ex-marine, or anyone that was previously in any sort of military, knows that it's not exactly peaches and rainbows after you spent your teenage years up to your thirties killing your fellow humans for a paycheck, of course he's going to be a slight dick AT THE LEAST, but again, nothing he does is serious, it's all little shit that I'm honestly surprised anyone even bothered making a complaint about it, an IC complaint? Fine, Joe has done a lot of things that would make some people not like him, to the point I could understand someone filing a complaint (an IC one, or one on the fourms) on him, but taking it OOC over IC actions is a bit of a stretch, if you don't like how he acts ICly, take ACTION about it ICly, (this could be said for nearly everything here) everyone that actually gets to know Joe for more than 5 seconds knows that he can be a good guy when you get to know him, Jesse, the cadet for example, Rusalana, security officer, etc etc, being rough around the edges doesn't mean you'd never get hired for a job. And this is just the start. I've only ever hit on two people in game, once each, and then I stopped, and no, security doesn't have to go out of their way to arrest me, nor am I "always arrested for assaulting the crew", I recently checked my incident reports and only about 3 of them (all happening quite a ways away from eachother) were about assault, and I don't call your HoP a bitch at every chance I get, I've done that twice, and twice of those were during high stress situations, I.e, in the middle of an investigation on a shapeshifting serial killer that has murdered 4 crewmembers already where you're going out of your fucking way to demote me for swatting swabkit out of a detective that stole said swab kit out of my case. First off, I broke a bone in the hopes that I would be able to be brought to medical, which would give me an actual chance to escape as opposed to sitting in a cell, second, nobody in security ever attempted to roleplay with me, literally, the only time anyone ever spoke to me was when you threatened to sedate me for the entirety of the shift, that was the only "roleplay" there was to be had in security, nobody made any attempts and since I was effectively taken out of the game I decided to play something else, and "who would crush their skull in an attempt to escape prison?" Why, a dozen real world inmates, glad you asked. And also an actual fucking trained ninja who has a feature on his suit that literally explodes him which he is not afraid to use, that seems like the kind of person that isn't afraid of breaking a single bone in order to put himself in a situation where he has an opportunity to escape. Secondly, I didn't say anything stupid, I walked up to medical and was talking with SOMEONE, I don't remember who, and I don't remember if it was the wizard or not, and then at this point, someone ELSE, not me, said jokingly "Snowscale? More like SNOWFLAKE" and I asked a genuine question about the robes he was wearing after a while, at which point he grabbed me and threw me across the room, in response to this, I did the same, at which point I was harm batoned and abused while the pure white wizard in red robes got to walk off scot free, and I don't recall "berating you" in LOOC, but I think I should add that shortly after someone in LOOC called Snowscale (the wizard) Snowflake I retold the joke in security in LOOC, which probably caused the confusion of me "berating" someone in LOOC, which I did not. This is empirically false, yes, I did take your DNA and fingerprint, yes, I did insult you and call you a liar, no, I did not continue to insult you in the holodeck. You need to understand how any of this would look from an outsiders point of view, nobody is exactly the same as you. A strange man in a military grade hardsuit with military grade weapons is claiming to be the captain of the very station we inhabit but "In the future" which is shady enough as it is without the night black hardsuit literally described in game as an "ominous hardsuit" that has very hightech weapons such as a teleporter (okay, okay, not TOO shady, right?) non-lethal energy shurikens (getting a tiny bit shifty) and a ultra-sharp lethal energy sword that can delimb people in only two swings (this is not at all anything any sane company would allow someone to intergrate into their hardsuit) So forgive my character for being skeptical of a very, very, very obvious liar wearing what looks to be a very dangerous walking talking weapon, that has illegally accessed this station through means of teleportation. And that's JUST why I was "calling you a liar." You had "cheated" in a game in the holodeck which everyone in the game called an illegal move, was flashing you taking it a bit too far? Probably, but you still need to understand that just because you CLAIM, very flimsily claim, that you're the captain of this station in the future, doesn't mean everyone's dumb enough to believe you, especially not a forensics technician, someone who works for security, and how security wouldn't exactly treat "visitors" wearing military grade hardsuits with the utmost respect.