IGBASteve

Thanks for looking at this so quickly!

BYOND Key: IGBASteve Staff BYOND Key: Shadow7889 Game ID: b2U-deoC Reason for complaint: I've been permabanned wrongly. I've been back on the server less than a day after dealing with my last permaban. At the end of the round, I get shitsecced, but becuase I was banned before I make sure I don't say anything in OOC until round has completely ended and round end text has gone through, and then the only thing I type in chat is "lol, any reason to shitsec on this server", I'm bwoinked literally two seconds later by Shadow laughing at me and telling me I'm gunna be permabanned, not even asking for my side of the story, and then tells mot to -not appeal it-, which is shady as fuck. He also put in my ban reason that I "exexcuted a prisoner", which I did not do, I simply shot an already dead prisoner for a cool RP moment, the prisoner had already been shot like fifty times by the head of security, and my character immediatly got tackled, cuffed and headstomped after it. (Hence why I was expressing my displeasure to way they play sec at round end). Evidence/logs/etc: I'm not actually sure how to go about getting these, I'm not that good with Byond Additional remarks: I've been back less than a day, and this guy bwoinks me two seconds after my first line of text in OOC, and all I said was "Any reason to be shitsec", which is a perfectly reasonable thing to say after being shitsecced. I didn't bring IC into OOC, I wasn't spamming OOC, I didn't even type in OOC until after the round had ended, which is when everyone us using OOC anyway! I think Shadow just has something against me and wanted to ban me becuase I didn't ass kiss like he wanted me to in my permaban appeal, especaily given how happy he seemed to be to be banning me when he bwoinked me, and didn't even ask for my side of the story when he did it. Saying "Any reason to be shitsec" on it's own, is not enough reason to permaban someone, this is ridiculious. (Literally less than a day old permaban appeal can be found here:

Thank you for your time, Shadow, I apreciate your service as a mod/admin.

My origonal post is updated, as per your request

You've stated why I was banned, I said I understood, you've asked me if I plan on doing it again, and I've given you a plan for how I won't. I really don't see why you need me to rehash over these points, it defintiely feels to me like I'm being asked to beg.

I've already said it twice. I'm not going to beg, man.

Yes, and my plan is to not do "Constant agressive LOOC and escelation of warnings and bans"

Yes, that makes sense.

In all honesty I don't remember exactly why I got banned here, so I'm not sure I can give you the exact answer you were looking for. But to answer your second question, I'll go and read over your server rules again to refresh myself on the speccifics of what you guys want here.

BYOND Key: IGBASteve Total Ban Length: Perma Banning staff member's Key: Shadow7889 Reason of Ban: "Constant agressive LOOC and escelation of warnings and bans" Reason for Appeal: I plan on not doing the things discussed in this thread that origonally got me banned.

Allright, that's enough people (Including people who I respect the judgement of) saying I'm wrong for me to feel like I should stop arguing, ban is justified. Please look kindly on the appeal I inevitebly end up posting a month or two down the line!

The intern was the closest thing we had to a surgeon, and if I didn't have surgery done on me I was going to die, of course the intern is going to be the one doing surgery and it doesn't justify arresting him half way through his work becuase he didn't follow procedure when someone was literally dieing. Someone being rude to you doesn't make it okay to shitsec them, and I never claimed that becuase I'm ahelping I'm immune to punishment, I just want something to be done about the shitsec. Literally every single one of my bans has been a "Hey, we know this isn't actually justified but becuase of escelation we're going to go ahead and do it anyway", I get you've got procedures and stuff but when your procedures lead you to banning someone who's sole crime is being rude in OOC once a while ago, then your procedures need to be looked at. Carrying Chloral hydrate and asking people to not be shitsec are not permabannable offenses, and if your procedure is leading you to think that they are, then something has gone horribly horribly wrong. The fact that you're not able to realise that yourself really points further to my suspiscion that you're valid hunting, my situation is only permabannable in the most technical of senses, and just becuase you technically can doesn't mean you should.

Wether or not security usually display shitsec like behaviors doesn't change the fact that where displaying them to me, I don't know if it's becuase I pissed this player off or becuase I'm new or whatever other reason it might be that they're doing it but them "not usually doing it" doesn't help me at all when they're doing it to me. I'd also like to repeat that being arrested for creating an explosion is perfectly justified and I didn't feel that part was shitsec in the slightest, something I explained to you in game, my issue was with them arresting the surgeon that was operating on me -during the middle of surgery- and almost killing me by hauling me off to the brig whilst I was still bleeding to death and making me argue with them for five minutes whilst I was bleeding out in order to covnince them to let me get back to med so I wouldn't die, all of which was done after I had said to security "I'm happy to cooperate and explain everything that's happened, just as soon as I'm done getting surgery". This combined with this asshole IC play and the HoS going out of her way to be as demeaning and degrading to my character as possible was why I was asking them to stop shitseccing me. I feel I should also say, when I accidently blew up the grenade I was making (To give to sec so they could do some live fire training with their cadets, as I've done in previous rounds without issue) I ahelped to explain the situation and to ask if I'd done anything wrong in a server rules sense, to which I was told it was purerly an IC issue. I'd also like to point out that Goret only told me to drop it in LOOC (Which I did), Goret didn't say anything about not ahelping the issue, and if you had an issue with my ahelping the issue you should have just said so, not ban me. You say "so many rule breaks in two weeks" but what do my rule breaks actually ammount to? Carrying around chloral hydrate as a chemist? Asking security to not shitsec me in LOOC? Yes, my behavior in OOC when I first joined the server was unnaceptable but I made sure to change how I've been talking and how I phrase my criticisms becuase of that (Much in part to that conversation I had with Pratepresidenten, please don't feel nothing came from that, I appreciated you taking to time to talk to me). I feel that my rudeness when I first joined was my only serious offense and I don't feel a permaban is in any way apropriate for what I've done.

I would agree that I have gotten very firey in the past when I first started on this server, and threw around a lot of abuse at players who I felt wheren't playing security in a very pleasent way, I've since apologised for having done that and in all my rounds since I've been trying to my best to limit my langauge when it comes to OOC chat. I would say that in this round (The one in which I got permabanned) the only thing I said was the fact that they where being shitsec, I wasn't throwing abuse at them, just stating what they where doing and requesting they would stop doing it. I apologise for my toxic behavior in the past but I feel I've put that behind me since.

BYOND Key: IGBASteve Staff BYOND Key: Goret Game ID: b1i-b2G1 (for the latest one) Reason for complaint: This staff member gave me a week long ban for "powergaming" (I was carrying around chloral hydrate as a chemist) just a bit ago (Which was ridiculious but I didn't want to make too much of an issue about it so didn't complain at the time), and as soon as I get off that ban (which was later reduced to a three day ban) they give me a permenant ban for "Being agressive in LOOC", but I wasn't agressively insulting anyone at all, all I did was ask why a certain character was shitseccing me every round we where in together, I wasn't making any kind of accusation towards her own personal moral fiber or trying to make them feel crap, I just wanted to know why I'd been shitsecced four times by them, every round I've been with them in. I was also ahelping to try and get someone done about the shitseccing, but the admin chose to do nothing about it, instead punishing me for having the gall to be upset at being shitsecced. I feel this is a prime example of the procedures and checks put in place to uphold justice completely and utterly failing, the admin who was supposed to stop me from getting griefed instead turning around punishing me for having gotten griefed, it's incredibly upsetting. I really wanted to get along with Goret after the first incedent even though I didn't feel it was fair to have gotten punished for carrying chloral hydrate as a chemist and I've been trying to be friendly with them, I really feel hurt that after I swallowed my pride to try and offer a hand of friendship he's still treating me like trash and validhunting punishment on me.