BL1NKY

Lol. Lmao. Point proven folks - don't AHELP mods or admin abuse. I wasn't targeted at all, clearly.

I could explain every single point you have made and each point will be further dissected into irrelevance. I just dont have the time to do this. For the record I did say that the Officer ICly said they were afraid to report the HoS etc. but again I just can't get into it. The culture is so overwhelmingly obvious in bias toward whitelists/mods/admins - so be it. No point in AHELPing, no point in Staff Complaints, archive this so people can see why to not made concerns known on Aurora.

Suit yourself, Matt. Ive been at this for over two hours now and genuinely dont have the time keep going on about it. Ive made my case known, so do what you will.

"I am not okay with it suddenly being closed and backed out of because you've had enough after your choice to continue this." Do you not understand that is what I mean by creepy? I will not be bullied into 'having enough' or 'backing out' or whatever you think you are accomplishing by speaking to me the way that you are. I am merely trying get accountability for your behaviour and by extension a Staff member for creating a perceived case where whitelists are given the benefit of the doubt, and assumptions are made on their behalf about their behaviour; and instead there is tangible backlash for attempting to make the grief known about

Right you can call me names, LRP player not 'recognize my existence' and generally try to talk down to me and minimize me as not credible or capable of logic. Its not an indication at all of the way you might treat people you disagree with. That would be illogical. No one will address what your actions did to make another player feel like shit, ICly and OOCly which youve brought to the forum here by calling me names and a liar when I am not lying either, saying that events that clearly 100% did occur did not occur and people should believe I am full of crap based on your word... this is just pathetic. My character was not throwing things on the floor, he threw his ID on the desk yet you portray this as a temper tantrum and made up a whole bunch of other stuff to make me seem untrustworthy or not worthy of listening to. Your actions were aggro, clearly motivated by OOC grudging including your admission that you were getting frustrated with me. You don't care at all about how your actions, based on your admitted perception of another player, affected that player. You'll just insult me, and try to gaslight me or tell me to feel 'shame' for making those feelings known, which is just wrong. You shouldnt be whitelisted if you mistreat people like this, simple as.

Again, I've explained how the situation occured in as much detail as I am able if that doesn't satisfy then I don't know what else to say other than I had practically no hope that I would be listened to over the situation to begin with and am finding out to be sadly correct. The HoS' actions were not necessary and any attempt Ive made to broadcast the reality of the situation is met with excuses by Staff on how they are 'likely' asking to search my bag (I wasnt asked to show the contents of my bag only put it in a locker) and 'mistaken' about my belt being a security belt and that their 'assumptions' leading to the mistreatment are allowable because they can assume, but I am the one who should be scrutinized at a level completely different from the whitelister who should be held to an even higher standard in fairness. I do not believe that an HoS can barrage you with increasingly convoluted or poorly motivated orders to harass you and that those are 'valid' orders. If given the chance to explain that the bag and belt were privately owned, and carried no sec gear before being stunned and cuffed that would have resolved it. If asked to show the contents of the bag, I would have but I was told to take my characters private property and stow it which I disagreed with that order and was beaten for it. I don't wish to continue going back and forth, as its evident that I will be questioned into oblivion without anyone addressing the HoS' behaviour in the slightest. Making this complaint was not worth it

I dont think thats the case, I was told to hand in the rest of my kit, and I did. The bag and belt were personally owned items (a belt and leather satchel). I told the HoS Id given all the gear over, he has no reason to think I am hiding weapons when I complied with the previous orders. If thats a valid order then no wonder the HoS is able to create a minefield to walk in and be beaten for to question it

I've explained it as best as I am able in my previous post. Again, it was OOC grudging that led to it and was not a normal escalation.

This is why I'd rather not even AHELP or complain and let people away with poor treatment because the resulting aggro is just not worth it. Firstly, I'm not omnipotent I can't both read the chat and focus on the current investigation easily, I did not realize that I was being called upon until the Cadet told me that you were threatening me over the radio with punishment. We're not all skilled players who are able to jump how high. So that was how our interaction began; so many other ways to approach lack of a response but you went to threats. You could say Cadets can you verify if Investigator is active? Can you tell them to get here now because he is needed - not I will hunt you down personally and dismiss you etc. I wasn't ignoring you I was simply trying to perform an investigation and was engrossed in trying to do that correctly at the time. To address your list: You did follow me to the office, I got there and you showed up not a moment after I got in there and sat down. You did beat me and drag me into a cell in front of the cadets and officers and go through my things despite just being told I handed my gear in to you. Not necessary. You escalated and escalated the situation out of control when I'd done as asked and handed over the sec gear. After beating me you didnt find anything on me that I was allegedly hiding. (you did not ask for my shades/headset and only took them when I was in processing getting mugged) I was left on the floor? I was stunned and critted on the sec lobby floor and was collapsing and stuttering trying to even speak to the cadets who were there? Why are you saying none of that happened when it actually did? Why are you saying the logs will not show this when they clearly will? The Cadets/Officers even RPd their shock at what youd done? I dont understand why you are saying none of that happened when it did? Any admin can simply pull up the logs and see that I was left on the floor and was still critted and was being interacted with by Security over it? There was an explicit threat of a beating; the log even shows you re-belt your stunbaton after you said I can hand you my ID your you will remove it by force. Your demands went from ID, to gun, to kit, to stowing it in the locker and you continue to escalate despite me showing that I am confused as to why youre escalating. You say ID, then gun and gear in locker, then my belt and my bag. I was complying until the orders just kept getting more convoluted and you just got more angry trying to escalate it into exactly what you wanted it to turn into - which it did. It was griefing. My character refusing to investigate in amongst a crowd of officers/engineers raging at him is a reasonable take imho and I didnt threaten you or indicate at all you were about to be robusted by a 'LRP player' I was RPing, buckled to the chair as your shift+click assessment shows. You see how your 'likely' 'mistaken' 'assumptions' are expected to be accepted just fine on how you interact with other characters but I am the disgusting person you think should be scrutinized? I'm told I've taken it too far but YOU can be allowed to be weirded out by my comment and I am disgusting for being weirded out by your actions or bringing them up? Do you see the double-standard here? My IC comment was a warning to you that you were taking things too far, albeit ICly. Next time, if there is one I will just LOOC and say alright stop this is going too far and AHELP right then and there. You will not admit that you were escalating the situation out of control beyond what was necessary and it was completely evident that you were OOCly grudging me because you were getting irritated OOCly; you admitted to getting frustrated when you could have simply stopped escalating and left; all of my kit had been handed over like I said but you wanted to continue to the point you could harm my character for not following your increasingly unwarranted orders. Thats the disgusting part. You beat me because I made a comment back to you about how you were taking it too far - and you took it too far in my opinion. I'm not upset that an Admin didnt take my word for it, I'm upset that an Admin refused to acknowledge that a Whitelist player was harassing another and didn't care to listen to my view that you had purposely escalated the situation out of control where it wasnt needed and wrecked my round with a public humiliation when just stopping at the ID/pistol/kit was plenty. Following it all up with a snide comment as you left me critted in the lobby. Me stowing my non-sec belt and non-sec bag in the locker was another step in the increasingly aggro commands that wasn't needed; it started with just wanting the ID and spun out from there. Thats what I'm not happy about. Getting called disgusting for this is typical at this point and is definitely why this complaint covers both you and Yonnimer because I'm the one who was abused by you, and felt a certain way about it, but the scrutiny is being thrown right back in my face as if I was the one causing the problem. Thats what's disgusting

BYOND Key: BL1NKY Staff BYOND Key:Yonnimer Game ID: ckO-dxGB Step 1. Identify and communicate the staff action you are contesting. (TLDR Version) I am making a complaint about Yonnimers interaction with me regarding an AHELP I sent about the treatment I received during a round which I felt was quite poor. I have seen it posted regularly in OOC to AHELP players that are wrecking your RP/Round, and I almost never AHELP player interactions, because I understand uncomfortable situations arise; but having been left feeling rather disgusted/humiliated I felt it necessary. Yonnimer seemingly refused to acknowledge my perspective on the matter, minimized what I believe to be IC abuse by using terms such as 'assumed' 'likely' and 'mistake' where I argued it was completely intentional, and went so far as to gaslight me by saying it was me who had gone too far to accuse the player of wanting a 'strip-tease' when I said the situation was escalating from being asked to hand in an ID into an unwarranted strip search. I told Yonnimer that I was demanded to stow my non-security belt, and my non-security satchel in a locker yet he kept insisting that the HoS only asked me for Security only kit as per procedure, this isn't true. As Investigator, I RPd refusing to investigate a scene due to ICly verbally abusive crew. The HoS demanded I hand over my ID under threat of beating, but each request escalated into more and more kit from my character until I had no Sec gear to give, then into demanding I put my bag etc in a locker or get beat. When I had nothing else to give I was being threatened with a stunbaton anyway, and it was plainly starting to feel like harassment and creeped me out. I didn't say they asked me to strip my clothes off, only my gear. I used the term strip search as in being asked for my ID and escalating to removing my kit/search every pocket/bag/coat etc. which was completely unwarranted. I did not imply the HoS wanted me completely naked to get off to it. So to be clear I'm not accusing the HoS of that. Regardless, the way the HoS went about demanding I remove my kit and stow it in a locker was still very uncomfortable and this will be explained in a copy/paste of the chat with Yonnimer. Step 2. Clearly lay out your reasoning for contesting the staff action. I am contesting the staff action because the situation ICly occurred as such (this is long, but relevant for my interaction with Yonnimer and his response): Playing as Investigator, I am asked by the two Cadets to orient them on the way Investigations might process a crime scene. We sit in the Briefing Room and discuss it until a call on the radio comes in over a decapitated monkey in Medical. Animal Cruelty being a crime, I bring the Cadets in tow to show them the basics of CSI. While we are RPing the Cadet asks me to check the radio where Xochiquetzal - HOS is threatening to personally hunt me down if I don't report immediately to another crime scene. I'm unable to show the Cadets anything, and unable to get any meaningful play off the ground and have to drop this case as ordered by Command. In honesty - frustrating but totally fair. I head down to the Bar where the scene was reported and get told there is a bomb and to look up a Z level, when I do I can't make out the bomb or what it is I'm supposed to be looking at - and am immediately set upon with (IC) verbal abuse by both Security for not visually understanding the bomb already went off, and Engineering for being made to wait to fix the damage. OOCly no one is upset, neither am I, but I am admittedly overwhelmed by the pace of things and realize its best if I just go and Cryo and Observe or chill instead. ICly I throw my hands up and say alright I wont stand here and listen to abuse so have it your way! And left. I get to the Investigators Office and am followed by the HoS into the room; this is where the situation got out of hand. The HoS, instead of chasing the space-unibomber, or the monkey decapitator follows me to the Office and says if I wont investigate the crime I am to hand in my ID. I say that I wont have abuse hurled at me while trying to work by 'rubes' and that his Officers were out of line. He then pulls a stunbaton and threatens me to hand over the ID. I hand it over because it's within his right to demand it, if not a steep escalation. He then demands I hand over my firearm, which again, is understandable if I am going off-duty. There is a bit of talking before he says 'You are being dismissed'. I say I have already dismissed myself from the investigation, but he begins to make more demands (which was initially just my ID) and begins to demand I remove my belt (which is a belt-belt not a security belt) and my bag (which is empty of security kit) and stow them in my locker under threat of a beating. This isn't even a search, yet, its just more orders. This interaction starts to make me feel rather uncomfortable because obviously every time I do what he says, there is another demand after it, and I don't want to have to strip half my kit and neatly place them in the locker or face a beating, and the situation is starting to creep me out. I feel like its going a bit too far, that's just how I feel. The only arguable Security related objects I have on me are my glasses and my headset (which I wasn't asked for). I tell him that I've given over my ID, gun and all pertinent Security equipment. He then says 'alright Ive had enough' and proceeds to beat me senseless anyway, despite just being told that I don't have any more kit; arrests me, drags me infront of the Cadets and other Officers and into the brig and charges me with Failure to Obey Order, and strip searches everything I have, taking my glasses and headset as the other Officers look on in shock saying that the treatment is completely overboard and dirty. Not only that but ICly they said they were afraid to report the abuse to the Captain in case the HoS gave them the same treatment, which speaks volumes. The Cadets come up to my seizing body abandoned in the lobby and say (paraphrased) 'We don't know what to do no-one is showing us what to do, can you get up and keep teaching us?' which is what I intended to do but can't do because I'm weirded the hell out by what just happened and feeling like shit and want to log off. I want to say; I have RPd dismissals. I have RPd 'uncomfortable' topics and all in good stride and good fun. I am never bothered by these because almost every player has the story at heart. However. The reason this affected me so badly is because as time went on this became clear harassment rather than RP, and basically forcing me to follow commands over minutiae or face a beat-down. I just felt uncomfortable with the dynamic OOCly and had no more kit to give the HoS. You can argue the glasses/radio were, but he was referring to gear that would be on a belt or in a bag and did not ask me to remove my headset or shades by the time I was beaten. So in my mind it was quickly reaching a point where I wasn't comfortable because I'd followed commands as asked and the situation was still escalating out of control. I left, found a quiet spot and opened an AHELP ticket with Yonnimer because I was left feeling creeped out and weirded out to hell. Then he just ran cover for the player and assumed the absolute best case scenario for all their actions, and the worst case scenario for what I said, and it just made me feel two times more like shit than before I AHELPed. I copy-pastad wrong and lost the very beginning and end, but the start is me saying that I was being griefed by the HoS, and the end is me saying I no longer wish to keep going in circles with Yonnimer. The Quote below contains the body of text detailing the conversation we had. Sorry if this complaint is too long, I don't usually do this sort of thing. The bottom line for me here is that a Whitelisted player wrecked my round by quite plainly powertripping and forcing me to do a song and dance that I was still stunbatoned and humiliated for anyway, and that Yonnimer not only assumed, excused and gave every favourable benefit of the doubt to the HoS but actually told me that I am the one taking this too far.