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It seems, majority of people (including me) dislikes/hates IPC's/shells that look, talk and act like their organic counterparts (backstory or secret interactions between friends do not matter). Like, when JackFractal was implementing shells, he probably didn't meant to allow people to play literally just reskinned humans/cats. I liked it better, when we only had TV heads. edit: Because, it really seems like you're playing a IPC, just to be a normal human, but with robot advantages (no tasing) and to easily have a CMO and security character (IPC skill sets, and stuff). If that's the way you see it, sure. I don't have anything to say about it.

Other players also agree that I'm not the roleplay anti-christ you propose me to be. And who's to say you're not twisting things in your own defense?

Nope. EORG. You should know better. Nope. No order was given. You neglected to give us riot armor and shields. You threatened me because of that. Don't see how armor and a shield is lethal weaponry. Don't see how issuing a detective two tasers is not escalating the situation, but issuing officers gear to not die from a Ripley's drill or spear is, as you put it.. When a suspect is verbally resistant to an officer, the officer is to issue calm yet firm orders, according to the National Institute of Justice. I have more than a reason to assume the use of force continuum is the same as of nowadays, else, we'd be opening fire on everyone who says "But." You outright drew your energy pistol and opened fire. Opened fire at a fellow coworker, who held two tasers in hand, and held a hatred for Keelin. Not the best move you can take. The Faers situation, Mutiny round. After I armed myself with riot gear, shield, and laser rifle, I went on for a mutineer manhunt for threatening the safety of all crew. The first mutineer I encountered, Faers. I took aim at her and told her to halt. She instantly ran off, causing the character to instantly fire the gun. I tried to take her hostage again, she ran off again. When I demanded for her in LOOC to tell me why she ran off in the most powergamey way possible when aimed at with lethals, she said 'I have my reasons to.' I called for an admin in adminhelp, and the RP was halted until the admin sorted out everything. You came, the two that were on my side came, and some of your own. I repeated in LOOC to pause the RP while I sorted it out with the admin and Faers, given that she shouldn't have ran off. After a little moment of silence, you rushed at me with a flash while I was speaking with the admin, took me down, and the gunfight between the two sides ensued. I managed to escape, fortunately. Tell me how is that not taking advantage.

Guilting behaviour has been seen before from others who were put in this position. You did wrong, you're now making yourself out to seem the victim and then blaming others. Linking this back to original post, attitude towards other players. Did you not do wrong when you opened lethal fire on me in the shuttle? Or when you called me faulty and threatened to have scrapped (death-threatenning your own officer)? Or when you opened fire on me for failing to fulfill an order? Or when you cannonized a mutiny round to further your meta in another mutiny round? Or when you took advantage of an ooc talk with an admin to win against me? Livingstone, Vur, Stamos, Parison, and even Brooks are examples of good HoS. You are not. Your Head behaviour makes me gag. God knows how you got it in the first place. You are no victim here, sweetpea.

I don't talk about you behind your back; Nor do I think you're a "shit roleplayer" or "mini-satan", I just think you need to change your mentality with Hypatia. I fully accept anyone, no matter who they are, so long as they're willing not to be a pain for everyone, they're fair, and they have some sort of moral ethics. (Ex. not calling someone an autistic shithead like I was called just this previous round at the time of posting this, by a CMO) I understand you want a sense of community as well, and you thought that this one was pretty sweet at the start. I did too. This might just be my "Night is ruined." emotions talking, but I feel the same way about this "community" as you do. Most people are needlessly toxic, and attempt to get rises out of people just for their reactions, commonly referred to as trolling. I absolutely hate it, I don't see the need to play this game if it just attracts the worst kind of assholes there are on the internet. But hey, that's life. I don't want you to be banned from the server, I don't want anything of the sort. You're a good roleplayer. You just need to tweak Hypatia, or in my opinion, if that isn't possible, stop playing her altogether. That might seem like a pretty unreasonable request coming from me, but I feel like you could do some good playing a different character for a while. Maybe you could come back to her. I'm speechless, at this point. I've emptied my brain enough into the matter to the point of getting rather emotional about it. But my point still stands. I don't care about being banned anymore. 2k words I helplessly wrote trying to justify myself against another salty kid just seem meaningless. I don't want to justify any action of mine, any character choice, development, statement or anything of the sort anymore. I'm tired of getting spoken about to my back, and trust me that I know who these people are, and have none confront me about it or try to reason with me - but instead just run off to the moderators to tell me I'm a shitty roleplayer. I don't understand what the mindset of the SS13 community, otherwise, the Aurora's is. I don't understand why "IC unfairness" is so frowned upon. My character gets pushed around, called a bag of bolts, called faulty, death-threatenned, fired for being IPC, opened fire upon, EMP'd, force-implanted, ion'd, lasered, revolvered-to-the-head, blown up, beaten down, beheaded, detained. And do you see me hardcore LOOC'ing and adminhelping to whoever is doing such? I rarely do (90% of those cases being when people just walk past my decapitated head and not pick it up). I'm comfortable with it, personally, because if people have an IC hatred for IPCs, sure, that's your character pal. But when my character reacts to it and bashes your skull in for abusing her? I don't have much else to say, much else to justify. Still answering, regardless.

Is this on the Aurora wiki? You should not be punching people as an officer. EDIT: I checked our wiki. This information is not present anywhere. You are using Baystations' wiki, of which we don't use because this is not baystation. I consulted with a lore developer whether to write a book using this as a guide http://www.nij.gov/topics/law-enforcement/officer-safety/use-of-force/pages/continuum.aspx would be appropiate, and thus, was told it would be alright.

Err? Blatantly refusing a loyalty implant when everyone in Security was forced to get one, due to almost everyone in Security revolting against the HoS? Threatening to kill anyone that came near her? Resorting to lethal means to incapacitate people even though they had a full Sec belt? Blatantly refusing two Heads of Staff's orders? Take your pick, there's no "Oh it was just a Rev round" argument, this was after all the violence and carnage was over; But there were still Revs running around, converting people. Hypatia chose to waste our time and threaten us with death just because she wanted to pull that shit, and it ultimately came right back in her face and got her killed, along with about six people exposed to several EMP grenades. Literally everyone in Security was loyalty implanted. Hypatia wanted to be special and stay free just because, and threatened to kill anyone who wanted to change that. I wouldn't blame Hypatia resisting considering that she helped protect the HoS, and squash the mutiny at the time. And again, rev rounds. Hypatia was issued lethal weaponry by the HoS herself in the way of bringing a lethal closet to her, opening it and saying "Hypatia, grab a rifle." Prior to that, a crew mass moved in to the Brig in trespass in order to take down Security. Tasers fired, people downed. One was carrying a spear, which Hypatia snatched away, and carried around for the remainder of her lifetime. It was then, nearly seven minutes after, that she was issued a rifle. She cooperated with the HoS during the entire round without an implant, and never used her spear or rifle to harm anybody. It was when the HoS started to break people's legs and forcing implants on them that Hypatia got a little edgy on the topic, and when the implanted Security was ready to go off in a manhunt, the Warden mentioned that Hypatia was not implanted. When the HoS told Hypatia that she should be implanted "just in case." Hypatia refused. The Security crowd insisted, and Livingstone (Ove), the RD that was implanting people, intended to implant her. She kept on refusing the implant, and waved her spear around to ward them off, insisting that she had helped Security all this time without an implant and on her sole will and interests, regardless, Security insisted. Hypatia dropped her spear and snatched her rifle, cornering herself, ready to fire at Livingstone if she tried to force the implant on her. More insisting happened, until one of the revs rushed past the lobby, and tossed an EMP in. This resulted in, of course, Hypatia's death. The "black guy working in a crop field," was said by Hypatia, yes, when they tried to force her into the implant. She said, "THEY'RE TREATING ME LIKE A BLACK GUY IN AN EIGHTEEN OH-OH (1800's) CROP FIELD!" At this point, all I'm seeing is people unwilling to accept me into the community. At this point, I really don't mind if I'm banned at all. Many of the people that have stated against me in this thread are many of those I thought as friends in the community and people I got along with. But, then again, it's in the administration's hands to ban me or not. At this point, I'm begging to be banned. I thought this was a multiplayer game. A multiplayer game has a community. The community is one and one only. What's the point of playing in the Aurora if all I get are people talking to my back? People simply telling me I'm a shit player and a shit roleplayer? That I'm some sort of lesser satan simply seeking to grief and gank everybody on sight? What would be the point in staying? I played this server because I thought the community was awesome and welcoming, but at this point, I really regret taking that decision. Once more, I don't mind if I'm banned at this point. Staying would only mean getting more and more salt from the people I enjoyed playing with. At this point, all I'm doing try to gather all I can from my poor memory to justify myself for wanting to play in the Aurora. At this point, all I log in to is "you shouldn't be an ipc," "there's a new ipc restriction" and messages from Garn telling me that people don't like my character and myself.

To leave a note; my mindset during that nuke round was simply the following. The Icarus announced that a ship bypassed them and was headed right for the NSS Aurora. A ship that was not scheduled for a visit anytime. Unknown visitors. The Icarus stated that the ship wasn't armed, meaning, the ship didn't have nuke-cannons on each side. You expect Security to not give a single damn about an unscheduled ship that managed to bypass Icarus, and to welcome them with open arms. Hypatia requested riot armor and shield to have at hand when welcoming the visitors, and not to mention, the two other officers in Security at that time did not care about the visitors and were busy ordering pizza, or something along those lines. Thus, Hypatia had to welcome the visitors on her own. And nevertheless, she went only with her taser. All the nuclear operatives did was dress ridiculously, get force gloves, and start a half-the-station disarm brawl with force gloves. Hypatia tried to stop it. All she got? Disarming, flying over due to the gloves, and her equipment was even snatched. This went on for minutes, on and on. Hypatia tried to push down the operatives and cuff them. But what happened? Another came, force gloved, and ran off. Over and over. Nearly fifteen minutes into the brawl, one of your operatives came with a stun rod, and outright murdered Jun Ivanova, in front of Hypatia, and ran off. That's when Hypatia switched to empty-hand control techniques. She originally intended to first use soft technique, meaning, scriptly grab an operative by the neck to restrain them. But the pushing continued. And when Hypatia switched to hard technique and downed the operative with punches, another came, and gunned her down.

I don't know where you people are getting the idea that Hypatia automatically questions any order she is given to by any sort of Head. She is ordered to attend to a crime scene? She attends. She is ordered to detain someone? She detains. She is ordered to update records? She updates. Hypatia's confrontational attitude kicks in when whoever her boss is gives an incorrect order, gets unjustifiedly aggressive towards her, or discriminates her because she's an IPC. Even when I say confrontational myself, I don't mean Hypatia going like, "LOL U A SHITTY BOSS GET FIRED XDDD," but rather, Hypatia questions her boss, and if her boss escalates into an aggressive tone, she grows more firm and dogmatic on her perspective. I really don't know where you all are getting the idea that Hypatia goes like; "Officer Hypatia, please detain the Quartermaster." "LOL U SUCK HOS IM NOT GOING" And as a footnote, to make it clear once more, Hypatia is only confrontational when her boss is being just a no-no. Vur K'risilav (can't spell that), Michelle Parison and Jason Stamos are Commanders Hypatia follows all order given to, and holds a great deal of respect to. Why? Because they know their job, their authority, and their crew.

You are not to put your judgement of other players on others simply because they were causing trouble. If you call whacking Jun to stop trying to run her over being a vigilante, then, whatever floats your boat. However, this does not justify that you escalated force needlessly, specifically, when Hypatia was not repeatedly trying to crack open Jun's skull, was not trying to run away (stood still, even) or fend you off in any way. The initial stun is justifiable. People were being dumb, situation had to be controlled, however, even after the shuttle docked and all conflict had ceased, you kept on flashing and flashing, tabling and tabling, while Hypatia begged to be able to cooperate. This chance was not given to her. The suspect was compliant, and defensive tactics were employed to her regardless. It still falls under Excessive Use of Force in Detainment, and saying that people were fucking around is no valid excuse. I do not ask that you should hug Hypatia, give her a cookie and tell her to come along, but rather, simply not use the most violent way to detain her. You've heard of people complaining about me. You've seen me win fights, lose fights, be detained, detain people. Are you letting your argument be biased by hearsay, and let your argument be openly biased by it? Do you think I should be banned from this server? What makes you think so? What about my fun? Can I not enjoy fun? Am I to solely let people enjoy abusing of my character and not stand up for it? Is that what fun means on the Aurora?

This is a very unsatisfactory answer, and it's exactly the reason I do not think you should be holding your IPC whitelist at this point. You are still required in your role to follow orders from that seemingly incompetent head of staff until those orders clearly violate corporate procedure. You do not willingly disrupt the chain of command in an attempt to get back at a particular person you do not like. Confrontational characters, as a rule, are typically dealt with in equally curt and blunt fashions. You're supposed to go straight to your bosses' boss if you hate your idiot boss is doing everything wrong. Do not take matters into your own hands and be a disruptive force, it makes you look worse than they are. Am I to follow my boss when these have been broken? Hypatia has never taken action against any of her Commanders when no regulation has been broken.

Given that I scarcely play with Russian, or Katya, anymore (we barely know each other IC), I'll give my side of the story; meaning, the Jun issue The situation at hand is that of Jun constantly driving the cargo tug around. Hypatia was standing idly, with her locker full of food open, for everyone to grab something to eat before the shuttle arrived. Katya continously kept stuffing herself in and all, yes. After she was detained, Hypatia stood beside her locker. Jun came with her tug, and pushed Hypatia in. Hypatia removed herself, standed idly, only for Jun to come and push her in again. This happened many, many, many, /many/ times more. Hypatia grew tired of Jun, and threatened that she would whack her head if she kept on doing it. And thus, she kept on doing it. Hypatia's patience was tried, and she whacked Jun off as she got close. One hit to the head, nothing more, nothing less. 1138's character immediately rushed for Hypatia as soon as she spoke, "Maybe that was a bit too strong." She flashed her down with no hesitation. The only thing Hypatia did was whack Jun once to make her stop pushing her around, which, really doesn't warrant a ban. Though, that is simply myo pinion. No warnings or anything of the sort were issued to me for this, by any admin, moderator, or anything of the sort. I want to point out 1138's character behaviour, however. I'd like to highlight how he constantly flashed Hypatia, over and over, due to the lack of cuffs. Hypatia screamed that she wanted to comply, but nevertheless, she was not allowed to. All she recieved was flashing, until 1138's flash broke. After this, he simply tabled Hypatia over and over, until someone paid attention to him and handed him over some cuffs. Hypatia screamed a mixture of wanting to comply, and that 1138's actions were an excessive use of force. Regardless, nobody paid attention. It was only when the shuttle arrived to Odin and 1138 dashed out of the shuttle without Hypatia that his securiskrell brother had a very brief conversation with Hypatia and allowed her to comply, thus, walk beside him as they made their way to the holding cells. I would also like to add something from a more lore-wise perspective. I've consulted with a Skrell player regarding the very use of force by 1138's character. I was told that Skrell officers are prone to using the least amount of force and the most reasonable amount of force required to detain a suspect. This conflicts with 1138's character behaviour. Hypatia was almost instantly stunned as soon as she whacked Jun off the tug, and after that, she was repeatedly and repeatedly flashed, as she screamed and shouted to allow her to comply. Yet 1138's character ignored this. Even when Hypatia did not pose a general threat, even when she was standing still and admitting her mistake with the "Maybe that was a bit too strong," escalation of force was applied. For the time being, I have nothing else to say. I'll be glad to respond to any further argument.

Let me see. I'll try to answer posts at once, to the best of my ability, and take my time to do so to not forget to try and give my side on anything. Lets start off with Chaznoodles' original argument. The first situation at hand, the Nuclear hostage situation. As much as I am able to recall, I remember the point in which HoS Keelin simply tried to rally Security into Science with mere tazers. No bullet-proof vests, no nothing. The entire Security team refused to march into Science with Keelin armed with simple tasers while the operatives were brandishing lethals. This resulted, of course, in Keelin rushing on his own. Thus, Keelin was captured by the nuclear operatives, had his headset taken and was restraint. Security were left to fend on their own, with no Commander to coordinate them. The Warden, after losing communication with Keelin, called out the entirety of Security to the Armoury, to gear up for the operatives. He distributed the weaponry and gear he deemed necessary for the assault to take place, and led Security into Research to conduct the assault. If the bold and italics did not highlight it enough; Hypatia did not lead the assault team. The reason for Chaznoodles to place the blame of the two civillian deaths and the assault team itself onto Hypatia, is the fact that Hypatia was the only assault team member that stepped up to Keelin's attitude over comms. After the situation had culminated, meaning, after the operatives were taken down, people were hurried to Medbay and so on. As Hypatia walked by the Medbay and saw the injured Commander standing idly in the lobby, she spoke "You're a retard," and continued walking. Thereafter, the discussion sparked up over comms over the entire situation. Nobody in the assault team, but Hypatia, dared to reply to Keelin in comms. Hypatia is naturally confrontational against authority, specifically, when she finds said authority to be abusive, discriminative, threatening, among others. Keelin constantly threatened Hypatia to have her fired and punishments of the sorts, with Hypatia insisting frequently that the assault team's actions were to be his responsibility, since his failure led to such thing to happen. The discussion ended in Keelin silencing Hypatia by saying something along the lines of, "If you don't stop talking now, I'll have you fired." The Mutiny round. I would like to remark an issue in this round beforehand; the fact that Chaznoodles called for a gathering as soon as he got the mutineer message to not carry out the directive, and thus, rally an entire army of armed Security members (even provided tasers and general Officer gear to cadets) in order to forcefully stop the Captain as soon as the round starts. It's the second time he did it, the first one being another mutiny round that happened not so many rounds prior. Not to mention, he did cannonize the mutiny round he had been mutineer, despite canon-antag relation rule (along with an LOOC along the lines of "I can cannonize whatever I want. :^)"). I can assure Hypatia did not take a side, once rallied to the Bridge. As per her experience in Medical, and as per the fact that the Directive was the Bluespace Virus one, with her Medical knowledge kicking in, Hypatia walked in to Vitellia's office and discussed the directive with him. They concluded that they would carry it out, to a certain point. Hypatia herself made it clear to Vitellia that she would only help to contain this said virus, but she would heartly refuse to execute and burn the infected, and would do all she could to prevent this from happening at all. The two made a deal, that Hypatia would have an HoS-esque access due to Keelin's attitude, in exchange that she would convince Keelin to help carry out the directive. Keelin, as per usual, denied and denied to be sent to quarantine or to carry out at least one step from the directive. This went on until it reached either the 45 minute mark or the 1 hour mark - which I cannot really recall with accuracy - until Hypatia said this would not go anywhere if nobody took action, and thus, Hypatia drew her taser and pointed it at Keelin. A fellow officer aided her with this, but the remainder of the Security army instantly drew batons and detained Hypatia and the officer. Keelin and his rallied army broke into the Captain's office, and detained the Captain. They sent Hypatia to Communal for nearly twenty minutes, while they spoke with the cuffed Captain in processing. After this time was over, Hypatia intended to stop Keelin's recklessness, with her planned Armoury access beforehand. She rushed into the Armoury, to which the Warden and Detective followed. The three geared up, willing to stop Keelin, and thus departed to stop the mutineers. The first mutineer Hypatia encountered was Faers, the security-officer-geared cadet. At that time, Hypatia was geared with a rifle, a riot shield, and riot gear. She aimed at Faers, limb set to head, in order to take her hostage/detain her. Faers, after a moment of silence, simply ran off, triggering the reflex shooting which burnt her face. She kept on running, and Hypatia once more tried to halt her, and aimed at her once more. Yet again, she ran off, and thus got another reflex-shot to the face. I LOOC'd for Faers to halt, and /demanded/ that she explained why she was unwilling to RP the aiming. She replied with "I have a reason for Faers to run." Thus, I adminhelped for someone to speak this through with Faers, that you really shouldn't run when you're being aimed at. While the LOOC went on, Keelin, some loyalists, and the two that had joined me came along. I politely asked that all RP was halted until the issue was solved. Yet, during the LOOC discussion, Chaznoodles decided to take advantage and began opening fire on Hypatia to detain her and take her gear. A firefight ensued, and Hypatia escaped, with 80% of her gear. The firefight culminated, and Hypatia carried on with her quest. She encountered Faers once more at the Medbay lobby, and demanded her that she (really) stopped this time. A loyalist armed with a carbine saw this happen, switched to lethals, and began opening fire at Hypatia. Hypatia returned the fire, resulting in the loyalist dying. The shuttle arrived by then. The survivors of the mutiny left for Odin, with Keelin and Vitellia not being present in the shuttle, and things seemed to halt there; resulting in a tie. Lastly comes the revolution round. It started off naturally, with no conflicts. Everyone did their jobs, despite the paycut. It was later in the round that the gatherings started to happen. People started to come more and more, demanding that their pays were restored. To the point that a Ripley was brought in by the crew, in order to destroy the Brig, along with some bombs. Security demanded that everyone left several times, before engaging in non-lethal fire against the revolutionaries. The Ripley's pilot proceeded to try and break into the Brig by shattering the reception's window, but was successfully intercepted by Security. The revolutionaries ran off back into hiding. Few officers that warded off the revolutionaries in the lobby requested to Keelin that they were granted riot gear after having been in such situation. Keelin refused this. The officers insisted, over and over, trying to put together a valid argument as to why recieve riot gear, yet, Keelin kept on refusing and refusing. Hypatia was of course one of the requesting officers. After a long while of this, everyone departed. Security was gathered in the Security Office by Calhoun regarding the matter, to speak to Keelin. This culminated in Keelin calling Hypatia a faulty IPC, and that he'd have her scrapped. Hypatia took this as a serious offense and threat. Calhoun, threatened or offended (which I don't specifically recall), abandoned Security due to Keelin's attitude and lack of professionalism, and went off to detain the bomber on their own. When trying to detain the bomber, a detective came to the scene. He pulled out two tasers from his bag, and tried to tase the bomber. Hypatia responded by disarming the detective and taking his two guns, and conveniently, Beepsky came on scene and detained the detective. After a brief talk on what would they do with the HoS' course of action, reckless atittude and lack of professionalism, Hypatia concluded that she was willing to take him down from his horse. They were greeted nonetheless by Keelin. Hypatia and Calhoun inquired as to why the detective had two tasers, with Keelin responding that he had issued the two tasers to the detective, and ordered Hypatia to return them. Hypatia did not give them back, and Calhoun asked as to why would he provide a detective who has no access to tasers with two of these, but not provide the desperate officers with riot gear. Keelin refused to reply, and pulled out his energy pistol on Hypatia and opened fire the very instant, set to stun, and due to Hypatia being immune to tasering, she returned the non-lethal fire with the dual-wielded tasers. She quickly rushed for the Commander and slapped her cuffs onto him, and quickly dragged him away. She got rid of his headset, whilst saying, "You fucked up." Hypatia led Keelin into maintenance, away from everybody, and stripped him of his gear to make him a nuisance rather than a threat. She proceeded to say something along the lines of, "This is what you get for fucking up," and thus, bashed the man's skull in with her baton (to critical, rather than death). This is when a moderator interfered, and Keelin tried to take advantage of this to free himself and detain Hypatia. Instead, Calhoun came on scene, and pulled the Commander away from Hypatia. The Warden rushed in as well, shooting her taser at Hypatia on sight, to which Hypatia simply returned the non-lethal fire and cuffed her. With the moderator, we concluded that this was an unjustified escalation of force, although I still beg to differ, and proceeded to end the round. I did not originally intend to take the course of action I took at the end with Keelin, yet, the spark that lit the fire was the fact that he opened fire on me for refusing an order. And one last thing as to the round I've just described, is the fact that as soon as the shuttle arrived, I went and sat down in the holding cell with the cuffed Warden beside me. As the shuttle made it's way to Odin, Keelin took a dash from the cockpit to the holding cell, pulled out his energy carbine (or pistol), set it to lethals, and opened reckless fire on my character, leaving her in critical, then uttered something along the lines of, "That's what you get." With this last situation described that I experienced with Chaznoodles, it is needless to say I deem him severly unfit for the position of his own, yet, I ought to leave that for a complaint once this one ends. Hypatia is supposed to be a confrontational character, as it's the way I intended her to be. She is questioning of the authority she deems unfit, abusive and things of the sort. Her actions taken against Keelin are justified within her mentality, as she deems Keelin incompetent. But, nevertheless, that is for a supervisor to determine that. Thus, I conclude my first response to Chaznoodles' inital argument.

As per how the matter turned out, I'm sure most of the assault team who would rather stay behind than charge in with tasers and no other equipment, and myself, would say yes to such. While it was not abnormally unreasonable, it was still not the course of action that should have been taken. After the raid concluded and Security won the gunfight, I recall the HoS continously yelling that he was 'trying to establish conversation with the captors and negotiate to establish communication,' and when Hypatia questioned him by implying he could have just simply tried to establish conversation without trying to Rambo it out, he immediately tried to silence me by threatening me to have me fired if I kept talking about the matter. Read back to Murder's statement. I would also like to point (once more) that this complaint is not even about the antag-part of the round, but rather, the detective-shooting-at-me-and-the-cadet-with-lethals that I was told to be a loyalty implant violation. I don't really care about the assault scene. People were killed, mistakes were made, and for some reason everyone here wants to be the righteous hero. I do not state that Hypatia's actions were righteous or heroic. They are simply justified.