runedog48

The specific words you constructed your ahelp out of were the issue here. This is going nowhere. You still seem to completely fail at understanding what the problem is. So, here. You acted like an asshole today. You acted like an asshole several times before. We don't like people who act like assholes. We asked you to stop acting like an asshole repeatedly, and you kept acting like an asshole. You were warned that there would be further consequences if you continued. Thusly, we removed you from the community, because you don't seem to be intent on stopping to act like an asshole, and there's not much else we can do besides ask you politely or remove you. All I fucking did, was ask for HELP, all I got was a fucking lecture. If you didn't want to help me, just ignore my Ahelp and let someone else help me. And here are the "Vile words" drawn out for you to see. This is unacceptable, if you cannot understand that you do not have the right to sling this sort of language at people trying to help, you don't belong here. See above. Way to take things outta context there buddy. Were any of those used towards him? Also, you included words in my genius analysis I wrote. And yea, I'm starting to fucking get pissed, so shit's going to start slipping. Only one I could have offended was "Shitcurity", who I did directly offend. It's like when he called me an ass in the admin notes. Only my second strike overall.

It annoys me how you don't see that the incidents which occurred tonight were uncalled for and I did not deserve to be exiled from the community. I've already paid for my past, this is the present.

1. What you did was actually pretty serious. The fact that we had to tell you repeatedly not to be rude in ahelps makes it a problem. And what matters isn't what you personally consider rude or not; it's the perception everybody else has of your behavior. 2. There is actually a very simple reason why I kept messaging you, which is that you engaged in behavior that was unacceptable. When somebody breaks the rules, we don't simply leave them alone because they "don't want to deal with us" - we either discuss the issue until the person recognizes their wrongdoings and provides us assurance they won't cause further incidents, or apply a punishment, should they prove themselves unable to give us such an assurance. You were in no grounds to simply "quit" the conversation. That's like saying you committed a crime but didn't feel like getting arrested. Ahelping an incident and then saying nevermind is extremely unacceptable? I wasn't being super rude, nor was I cursing at you repeatedly tonight. How does that pertain to the incidents which occurred tonight? Where was I wielding such vile words tonight?

That's not how that works. By that logic, every incident should exist as its own entirely contained bubble - but nobody is interested in living in a world where you say something rude in ahelp or OOC every few days, and we give you a slap on the wrist every few days. At some point, you should understand that this kind of behavior isn't to be continued. And since these were all incidents from the past month (hardly any time at all), they can and will be taken into account when evaluating your overall attitude and ability to adapt and chance your behavior. As I said, this isn't an etiquette class. If you fail to recognize how your behavior is rude and unwanted, then this is not the community for you. Etiquette is subjective. That's all I'm going to say for now. As for the first part of your post, that's not what I meant. It's difficult to understand, yes, if a griefer has been banned for bombing the station, get's back and does it again he deserves a perma, but for something as insignificant as this, should the past really matter? I don't understand WHY you didn't just stop when I said so. WHY did you have to keep going and frustrate me?

I really don't like how you bring up past events when handling a situation. I was talking about the current, not the past. I realize my past it colourful but whatever, we're in the present. 1st Quote a little rude 2nd quote, all I'm saying is "Eh, forget it, just ignore me". The use of fuck doesn't make a sentence completely rude I didn't want to be bothered with it. 3rd quote And that's rude how? The use of shitcurity? 4th quote Only thing I would say was really rude 5th quote How is that rude? You were just lecturing me, I didn't care, I wanted you to leave me alone, but you insisted on continuing. I really don't like how you all bring up the past, that's over. That's out of context. We're talking about now, I didn't want to be bothered and I felt as if I were egged on.

BYOND Key: Biggems123 Total Ban Length: Till our sun explodes ( Perm ) Banning staff member's Key: FFrances Reason of Ban: Rude and dismissive attitude in ahelps, after being warned repeatedly and previously tempbanned.. Reason for Appeal: I believe the ban was totally uncalled for. Situation: I was trying to incite rehab RP on my chemist after a long round which seemed to not want to end. After consuming malicious drugs multiple times and them having to save me one time, I said that I needed rehab help, at least two times, one directly after they came and saved me. Nobody decided to respond. I thought, OK I need to turn this shit up, make them put me in rehab, so I have a massive spazz out moment with drugs and security comes and stuff, and instead of roleplaying it out, security just flashes and stuns me and tries hauling me off to the brig. I said to AHelp the following: PM to-Admins: Tell shitcurity to react with their brains, not flashing and cuffing someone k thanks Not the most thought out Ahelp, I admit but time was of the essence, and I did not want to have to wait until I was already brigged and half my sentence was up for an admin to fix the situation. I get a reply.. HeadAdmin PM from-FFrances: That's a pretty terrible way to send an ahelp if you're expecting a response. 1. insulting players without any context and basically screaming "shitcurity" doesn't give you much incentive to listen to you, and 2. you didn't provide any description of the incident, the people involved, why this is an issue Totally disregarding my situation, I'm already heading to the brig, I said PM to-FFrances: Meh fuck it. Ignore me It's FFrances, I don't feel like dealing with him, I'm already going to be brigged, admins gonna come and waste half my brig time, fuck it. Nope, admin has to rift on me. HeadAdmin PM from-FFrances: Nope, too late. You've already been warned /and/ banned for your behavior over ahelps. I take it you haven't learned your lesson, then? I said, no, I'm done I don't want any of this, it's over. DONE. PM to-FFrances: The situation is over with. I just wanted someone to tell shitcurity to use their brains before flashing and cuffing somebody. PM to-FFrances: Especially if they're tyring to incite roleplay Fuck it, I DON'T feel like dealing with this, I'll wait until I'm outta brig and plead to them fuckers to rehab me ( in looc ) HeadAdmin PM from-FFrances: So, do you know how to present an issue clearly and politely to the admin team? Alright, you want my issue presented clearly? I'll tell you the whole story in the correct format. PM to-FFrances: I've said before over medical that I needed rehab, nobody responded, now shitcurity comes after I have a drug abuse episode and all they're going to do is arrest me :\ I explained my situation, since you're so inclined to keep going on, at least help me. HeadAdmin PM from-FFrances: I believe you're ignoring my question. I just proved I know the correct answer to your question by provided what would have been an appropriate ahelp. ( Disregarding the shitcurity remark.. ) PM to-FFrances: The point of me going "Hey, tell shitcurity to stop being shit" was for you to quickly stop the situation, I purposefully left my description as vague as possible Trying to explain my reasoning.. HeadAdmin PM from-FFrances: For what purpose? It literally doesn't tell us anything about the situation. Additionally, you've been talked to over, and over again about being rude and dismissive in ahelps. Ok, I get it, stop lecturing me please, I've just given you ALL OF THE DETAILS, HELP ME NOW? HeadAdmin PM from-FFrances: Would you be surprised if I said I was considering a permaban at this point? Of course! What have I done? That was /SO/ wrong for a permaban? PM to-FFrances: Over that fucking ahelp? That would be totally uncalled for and stupid. I lose my cool a little, however I could have been MUCH worse. PM to-FFrances: You haven't even looked into the situation I tried reporting, you've just been lecturing me. Stating the facts HeadAdmin PM from-FFrances: See, getting rude again. That is pretty much the exact issue I'm trying to tell you about. And the situation would have been looked at /after/ you started behaving yourself properly, which is the first priority if you are hoping to establish communication with staff. Given that you've proven to me yet another time you're unable to do that, after being talked to I don't know how many times, have a permanent ban. You clearly have no interest in listening at this point. I clearly have no point in listening after I've answered your question about how to properly send and help, You keep lecturing me when the situation is already over, and you've angered me instead of just stopping when I said I didn't need you anymore. I wasn't very rude throughout the whole conversation and I don't understand how anything I did needed a perma ban even if my past records are colourful. The past is the past, this is a totally different context. PM to-FFrances: Dude, how was that rude? I admit, a little rudeness with the "over that fucking ahelp" but I was starting to get angered after my last five minutes have been wasted and no help was given to me by the admins. HeadAdmin PM from-FFrances: If you can't figure it out at this point by reading the few messages you sent, I don't think I'll be of much help. Yea yea PM to-FFrances: Dude, I wasn't like "You're a total asshat, go fuck yourself and stop lecutring me and help me with my situation" I tried continuing the conversation of "How was I so rude that I required a permaban". You have been banned by ffrances. Reason: Rude and dismissive attitude in ahelps, after being warned repeatedly and previously tempbanned.. This is a permanent ban. To try to resolve this matter head to http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=38 And yea. I really don't understand HOW THIS DEEMED A PERMABAN. I really believed he attacked me from the start, wanting me to give him a reason to ban me, out of all the admins, he had to be the one to respond, he couldn't let someone else respond, because obviously he doesn't like me. How is this worth a permanent ban from the server? This is just horrible admining, how could you be considered head admin when you pull something like this?

Edit: Ported over .. waiting for permission to pull.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/k28wru612kxre1w/Screenshot%202014-11-27%2017.39.53.png?dl=0

I'm quite fond of the /TG/ styled security records, they look nice and they're easier read and use. I've already ported it to Aurora code Regular: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a8rwa69i9e4nwig/Screenshot%202014-11-27%2014.37.06.png?dl=0 /TG/: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ax2k4cwvyattlx/Screenshot%202014-11-27%2014.47.48.png?dl=0 Ported ( With FULL sechud support ): https://www.dropbox.com/s/k28wru612kxre1w/Screenshot%202014-11-27%2017.39.53.png?dl=0