Bath Salts Addict Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Simple question. Title basically says it all, but I'll divulge on some specifics. When I mean "neo-Nazi" I don't mean ghostly pale baldies with swastikas tattooed all over their head. I'm talking about a highly trained, probably militant group of men in uniforms reminiscent of the SS. Basically: real Nazis. Not just human supremacists, because we already have those. Actual, genuine Nazis that see their fellow humans as inferior if they're not blonde with blue eyes. Probably hating other species, too. Optionally, they aren't Nazis at all rather than militant fascists who hold their belief strongly. Either is good, really. It's for a background I'm writing up for a character of mine.
canon35 Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 ATLAS, maybe? Tytos would be able to explain that group better than me.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 This is confusing. Are you asking if there are extremists that are nazi's but don't have to be nazi's? Nazi is a specific ideology.
Owen Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I am thinking that he is asking about Super Facists that are admiring the Nazi group? I don't really feel like Space Nazis should be a thing though. And what Canon said, the closest you will get to Space Nazis is ATLAS which is a human group the feels that Humans are superior to all other species.
Bath Salts Addict Posted January 7, 2016 Author Posted January 7, 2016 Basically, Space Nazis, yes. ATLAS is fine and dandy, but they're more focused on species rather than humanity's own "races". Or, just extremist fascists rather than Nazis. Generally as a rule of thumb Nazis hold onto the fascist ideology but not all fascists are Nazis.
Owen Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Basically, Space Nazis, yes. ATLAS is fine and dandy, but they're more focused on species rather than humanity's own "races". Or, just extremist fascists rather than Nazis. Generally as a rule of thumb Nazis hold onto the fascist ideology but not all fascists are Nazis. I mean, it is possible that it could be a thing, but, it would be far from powerful as I am sure that it generally is not very well accepted to be against humans from different backgrounds. Honestly, it seems more plausible for you to make a character like you described to be solely against other alien species. But then again, that is my take on it and I am not part of the lore team.
canon35 Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Putting this out there, we once had a neo nazi character here. He was warned numerous times because, while being racist is fine and well if you're not crazy about it, you cannot be an actual nazi. But, if you want to form some sort of IC hate group, there's always the lore apps.
Owen Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 Putting this out there, we once had a neo nazi character here. He was warned numerous times because, while being racist is fine and well if you're not crazy about it, you cannot be an actual nazi. But, if you want to form some sort of IC hate group, there's always the lore apps. Yeah, that would be fine, as long as you wouldn't be so insane that Nanotrasen wouldn't even hire you.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 I think I understand the question now. Extremist groups are pretty common even though they're very small in terms of size - we're in a setting so large that we can't even fathom comparisons or sizes it in terms that make sense. Human-wide differences are far lesser than they have been in modern world history. Every region on Earth, for example, is roughly equal in wealth, status, and prestige. Colonies are pretty blended as well. This is both because colonizing planets required cooperation from all sorts of nations working together, and because we wanted to avoid adding real world racism in our escapism. Extremists in our 2458 focus on ant-xeno, anti-megacorp, or anti-government, etc etc. It's one of my hard rules that we don't have any neo-nazi's specifically. Space nazi's just don't fit Aurora's setting. The biggest extremist groups that we have are the Syndicate. They prevade the galaxy, even though most people haven't heard of them because they haven't been public since their golden years of the 2440's, when they could bomb, terrorize, and assassinate all across human space and publicly take credit for it. But now they're a boogeyman, a shadowy organization that may soon make an explosive come-back... Any other extremist groups would be more locally based or system-based. A lot of them would be focused in the frontier. By a lot I mean a lot. Frontiersmen aren't known for their civility or welcoming attitudes to anything outside their station-nation or whatever. There are too many to name - you could get by making up almost any little extremist group you want. Most of them probably won't end up being relevant to the Aurora, but I won't bat my eyes unless it's such a ridiculous group that people start to complain about it being silly.
Bath Salts Addict Posted January 12, 2016 Author Posted January 12, 2016 I think I understand the question now. Extremist groups are pretty common even though they're very small in terms of size - we're in a setting so large that we can't even fathom comparisons or sizes it in terms that make sense. Human-wide differences are far lesser than they have been in modern world history. Every region on Earth, for example, is roughly equal in wealth, status, and prestige. Colonies are pretty blended as well. This is both because colonizing planets required cooperation from all sorts of nations working together, and because we wanted to avoid adding real world racism in our escapism. Extremists in our 2458 focus on ant-xeno, anti-megacorp, or anti-government, etc etc. It's one of my hard rules that we don't have any neo-nazi's specifically. Space nazi's just don't fit Aurora's setting. The biggest extremist groups that we have are the Syndicate. They prevade the galaxy, even though most people haven't heard of them because they haven't been public since their golden years of the 2440's, when they could bomb, terrorize, and assassinate all across human space and publicly take credit for it. But now they're a boogeyman, a shadowy organization that may soon make an explosive come-back... Any other extremist groups would be more locally based or system-based. A lot of them would be focused in the frontier. By a lot I mean a lot. Frontiersmen aren't known for their civility or welcoming attitudes to anything outside their station-nation or whatever. There are too many to name - you could get by making up almost any little extremist group you want. Most of them probably won't end up being relevant to the Aurora, but I won't bat my eyes unless it's such a ridiculous group that people start to complain about it being silly. If I understand what you're saying, then some form of neo-Nazi group would be plausible so long as it isn't some massive uber army with entire systems under it's control. I was thinking more of a small, underground group with around three hundred members if being generous, and maybe a ship or two but absolutely zero political influence at all. Really, the only purpose for it is to add flavour to a backstory and attempt to make it realistic for a character. Unlike other extremist groups such as ATLAS which are more prominent, or at least prominent enough to require a lore auth application.
Owen Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Possibly, as some sort of Frontier extremist group. I would try it and see how people feel. I would suggest not going full Nazi mode ingame however.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 I just don't like space nazi's. I've had too many hilarious stories about other servers having space nazi's in the round and it's always an amazing ridiculousness. And Nazi's are parodied so much that having someone flying around reading Space Mein Kampf is, to me, the same as an army of clowns bringing glory to the Honkmother. That's probably a personal bias so I'm going to drag in some loredevs for opinions that aren't mine and we'll see where we sit!
Killerhurtz Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Pitching in here. As a loredev AND a server mod, if I see any of you insinuate you follow Nazi doctrine, you will be banned. HOWEVER facist groups would most likely exist. They are not given much attention, because they'd be a) very minor and b) frowned upon as much, if not more than today. So mainstream groups have no chance of visibility, and as such in the existing lore there is no pre-defined fascist group. HOWEVER because of how loosely controlled it is, the outer-rim colonies and the frontier COULD be heavily influenced, if not governed by facist groups. Did that answer your question?
Bath Salts Addict Posted January 13, 2016 Author Posted January 13, 2016 That does answer my question actually. Will need to make some minor adjustments but overall this was the answer I was hoping for.
Vittorio Giurifiglio Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Pitching in here. As a loredev AND a server mod, if I see any of you insinuate you follow Nazi doctrine, you will be banned. HOWEVER facist groups would most likely exist. They are not given much attention, because they'd be a) very minor and b) frowned upon as much, if not more than today. So mainstream groups have no chance of visibility, and as such in the existing lore there is no pre-defined fascist group. HOWEVER because of how loosely controlled it is, the outer-rim colonies and the frontier COULD be heavily influenced, if not governed by facist groups. Did that answer your question? ATLAS is legitimately Fascists, like literal definition Fascists.
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