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  1. I said "relatively minor", as in relative to the punishment. That 'non-consensual' romance is non-consensual insofar as it is IC and reliant on antag mechanics. There was no OOC lack of consent - the target player went out of their way to talk with my character even when it wasn't necessary for them to do so. I'm not pushing anything I did off to other people, I'm stating my view about the circumstances of my ban and warning. It take full responsibility for everything I did in the vampire round and am pushing nothing I did or said off to anyone else. The only thing I have done is explain the context of the situation from my point of view. I think in both incidents I acted carelessly but not with bad intent. With the vampire incident I said that I thought it was acceptable because I was an antagonist that relies on ambushing people and bringing them over to my side without IC consent. They give OOC consent to sometimes being thralled, killed, and so on by antags by playing the game. If anyone was uncomfortable with my gimmick, which not a single person ahelped about to my knowledge, they could have alerted me and I would have immediately stopped as I did when i was pmed by an admin in the other round about a lore error I made. If I was targeted by the same vampire gimmick I would have thought it was funny, especially because every reference that without context could be interpreted as sexual in nature was towards a vampire mechanic. My claim about context is that with it a lot of what I did is less severe than it is without context. In the thread I made about your warning the reason why i was complaining about' consistency' was because I don't think a lot of the terms I used (pecking for biting, 'special techniques' for thralling) were unique or without precedent. I never said "actually this is other people's fault", I said that I didn't think I should be warned for calling biting what everyone up to that point had assumed biting was in every vampire round I had ever been in. The second incident I have already admitted I used bad language and said I think a warning would be correct and acceptable. The player who complained against me I do not think believes I am an antisemite, at this stage they maybe think I was careless (something I have admitted). If you need them to comment then we can ping them in this thread. We can also ping the person I targeted in the vampire round to see if they were at any point uncomfortable during it, but I don't know their forum name or ckey. I never obligated anyone to show any IC feelings towards me and the one person I thralled during that round I only instructed to say that I had not done anything bad to them which I think is a very fair thing to tell them to do. I did not use antag mechanics as an excuse to ERP (something which I did not do) if that is what you are accusing me of. I take absolute responsibility for everything I did because I have nothing to shove off to other people, hide, or otherwise obfuscate. I am giving you my point of view as clearly as I can. In context to both situations I don't think I did something that warranted a permanent ban - that's my argument. If you think I deserve a ban, consider making it a temporary one and give me a period of probation or something if it is needed. If I really am a creep and antisemite surely I'd break the rules again in a similar way. If I'm not though then I will be much more careful and will not be banned or warned again. I am trying to prove to you that I'm not either of those things as well as I can.
  2. BYOND Key: Comrade_Watermelon Staff BYOND Key: ReadThisNamePlz Game ID: cnS-aR9k/cnN-aufB Reason for complaint: Permanent ban for relatively minor offense Evidence/logs/etc: 1. Circumstances of first offense. During round cnS-aR9k I played a vampire gimmick where my character became obsessed with another and pursued them throughout the ship. This round lasted for nearly four hours and was extended multiple times. Several admins were online for the whole or part of the round. At no point did I do anything which was unprecedented or explicit - I had seen other players refer to biting as kissing in every other vampire round I had been in and had seen in the rules that romantic attraction was also allowed. The thing I did which was most explicit is allude to "special techniques" which OOC everyone knew was thralling. Without context and without me being an antagonist during this round whose powers incentivize ambushes and bringing players over to your side I can see how this could make players uncomfortable. However, with context I think it was very clear that this was part of my gimmick and did not allude to assault or any other uncomfortable topics. If admins believed I was leaning in that direction it was totally unintentional for me to do so and I do not think anyone in the round interpreted it that way. The player who this was targeted at made no complaints whatsoever about it and even went out of their way to engage with my character and my gimmick. I contested the warning about this because I do not think it was justified considering the circumstances. It came after the offense had committed and only because a player who enjoyed the round posted a screenshot in the discord. I asked two people during the round if they found my gimmick entertaining and they said they did. If I had received a warning as I started the gimmick or because someone had made a ticket against me I would understand the justification for a warning that blamed me for stepping over a line, but as it is I do not think a severe warning or much less a ban is justified for this offense considering the circumstances and also considering that my offense was rather light and did not arouse any complaints or admin action at the time. Furthermore, at the time I believed that my gimmick was permitted by the rules and that my references to "liking it" or "special techniques" were unambiguously references to vampire powers. The accusation that what I did constituted ERP assault I do not think is accurate considering I only used vampire powers and everything else I implied was part of the vampire powers. Without context it would probably be a rule break or very close to it, but with context everything I said was a reference to something a vampire does as part of their game mechanics. The maximum I think I should receive a warning for doing actions that without context may have been rule violations and to be more careful in the future. With context however I do not think it can be said that I violated any rules, made the round worse for anyone, or otherwise caused harm to anyone with this gimmick when it seems everyone I interacted with understood the gimmick and found it funny rather than offensive or strange. 2. Circumstances of second offense. I received a ban for "anti-semitism" because I had imitated conspiracy theory rhetoric during a round. At the time I was not well read on part of the lore and after the incident I interacted with an admin who explained to me that the SRF was basically space ISIS and openly genocidal. Based only on the wiki entry I had not understood what the group was supposed to be and the admin was very understanding about my mistake. After that I immediately ended the gimmick and made an effort to deescalate it with the player who IC had come to beat me up about it and would later complain against me. I use this situation to demonstrate that if I had been pmed by admins at the time that I was making them uncomfortable or doing something that broke a rule I would have stopped the gimmick at once. The admin who pmed me was no doubt aware of what gimmick I was going for in my interactions with the player who complained against me and they told me I was making a mistake about the lore rather than having broken any rules with the gimmick. Even the player who complained against me does not believe I am an antisemite because I worked out our misunderstanding on discord. I did not get the chance to defend myself in the complaint thread because it was ended before the 24 hour mark and the ban was applied everywhere. I had to pm ReadThisNamePlz on discord to have posting power at all. Apart from that, this is a totally isolated incident from the first one and I as someone with Jewish ancestry am most certainly not antisemitic. At most I should have received a warning for the specific use of language I used which looking back I admit was in bad taste and my intentions iin using it could easily be misinterpreted. The player who complained against me I think could have been convinced to totally drop the complaint if I had been able to post in their thread. I do not think it can be argued that my intention was to be anti-semitic. When an admin pmed me about lore errors in my gimmick I stopped it rather than change the target and continue. When I went further into the gimmick into territory which got me the complaint I did so because that player had pursued mine and attempted to beat me up IC, which I thought meant they found what I was doing interesting and wanted to engage with it. Regardless, at most for this I think I should receive a warning for the phrases I used. 3. Interactions with staff. My most severe offense apart from this is a note for rage quitting as a ninja (I eventually returned to the round after a short break) after stabbing a man in the face repeatedly and him still walking around, and a note form 2018 about nearly plasma flooding as a cultist which I stopped trying to do when I was told not to. In my interaction with staff during the round a complaint was being leveled against me what I was going for seemed to be understood by the admin sending me messages and I immediately ended my gimmick when they told me I had made a mistake about the lore. This is not the interaction that someone who is interested in breaking rules usually has with staff of any server. I am trying to prove to you that I acted in good faith for all my interactions with staff and have shown an effort to comply with rules. The most important commonality both offenses have is that they were the subject of action after they had already occurred and when I was offline. If an admin had sent me a message warning be about going into either of these situations then I would have immediately stopped what I was doing. I understand that on any large server it is a given that players will appeal bans that were justifiably given and admins must subject every ban appeal or complaint against them to scrutiny, but I also think that in my case it is unambiguous that I am not acting in bad faith and made no attempt to ruin the game for other people or knowingly break the rules. 4. If I am to be banned anyways. Lastly, if you discuss what I did and decide that despite the context or other factors that it is worthy of a ban anyways I do not think it should be a permanent ban. This is my first ban on this server and it is for two isolated incidents that do not reflect a pattern of behavior. Being against totally different players and different rules they would only make a pattern if I was making an effort to break more rules. If despite my argument I'm going to be banned anyways then at least reduce it to a temporary ban. Other players have received multiple warnings about conduct in the past before a temporary ban for continuing to break a specific rule . I have received a total of two warnings recently, one of which was a more minor one for a rage quit and the other was for the vampire round. The vampire warning was applied long after the round had ended, and this ban was applied long after the round it was about had ended as well. I have already not been able to play the game for about five days now and made clear in my unban request thread, which I was told to turn into a staff complaint, that I would be much more careful in the future. Because both of these incidents were isolated, against different rules, and in the case of the second a social misunderstanding more than anything else the punishment if it is necessary should be light to reflect that. I understand that it is better for admins to apply the rules too much than too little, but I also think that considering the circumstances a permanent ban is far too much of a punishment for a player who has not griefed, not broken the same rule many times, and had received a warning and ban both after both of those rounds had ended.
  3. If I was aware of how it was coming off I would not have done it. I am aware I have some social deficiencies, which is part of the reason why I asked during the vampire round several times if people were enjoying the gimmick. The aim of explaining why I made the mistakes I did was to show you that I was not acting with the intention to troll, break rules, or otherwise cause problems. In the second instance in particular it did not even strike me that I could be making someone uncomfortable because I was referring to an organization rather than a race. I left the round thinking that the player who would eventually complain against me had actually enjoyed the gimmick because they actively sought to beat me up IC for it. In all situations where an admin has PMed me telling me to stop doing something I have stopped it at once. In my more recent time playing the game I accumulated two warnings, the first of which was for a rage quit, and the second was for the vampire round. The only other warning I have was from 2018 where an admin told me not to plasma flood the station and I immediately abandoned my attempt at doing that. It has since expired. In 99% of the rounds I have played I have followed the rules well. I do not think that the person who complained against me believes I am an antisemite. I have Jewish ancestry and genuine antisemitism is poison to me. I don't know if I lack some form of social intelligence or have some type of personality defect. When put in context I think what has occurred are clear mistakes. I hope that you've looked in the logs of the round that I had the complaint against me come from and saw the way I interacted with the admin who PMed me there. I have never wasted anyone's time and have always been attempting to follow and understand the rules as well as the lore. I do not think my behavior fits someone who is stupid or otherwise out to cause problems. Maybe I lack social intelligence in an online environment, but regardless I have tried to show you and others what the immediate cause of my mistakes are and how I can fix them. If my unban request is rejected at least consider reducing the ban to a temporary one because of the context I provided, although I believe you'd say an argument for that belongs in the staff complaint board. I understand that the rules make no statement that breaking them is permitted if nobody is harmed or if people on the server find it amusing or anything, and I also understand that admins are obligated to view people who have already broken rules with suspicion considering the number of trolls that exist in any online environment. This is also why I have tried to make my explanations of my thought process as clear as possible in both the complaint I made before and this thread. Even if I haven't been able to grasp the spirit of the rules without difficulty I have made an effort to follow them to their letter. A troll or bad actor of any type does not make the type of effort I have made. I do not think this belongs as a staff complaint because I am not contesting a specific action or warning, I am arguing that I should not be banned for what mistakes I admitted I have made. If you say I need to make a staff complaint about this I will do it and defend myself there.
  4. This is an unban request. I am not complaining about staff action, I am trying to explain why I made the mistakes that led me to getting banned and what I will do to avoid them in the future.
  5. BYOND Key: Comrade_Watermelon Total Ban Length: Permanent Banning staff member's Key: ReadThisNamePlz Reason of Ban: "antisemitism, sexual creepiness" Reason for Appeal: This ban's immediate cause was a complaint against me by a player for a reference towards an antisemitic conspiracy theory. I have cleared things up with them over discord and was trying to imitate the rhetoric of some conspiracy theorists rather than post veiled antisemitism. There was no deeper meaning to it other than playing a character, and when what I was doing got engagement from different people I leaned further into it. Later I was given a bwoink by an admin online for misunderstanding part of the lore about the SRF which is the group I was IC defending because I had read only the wiki blurb on them and thought they weren't openly genocidal and far less fascistic than they actually were. I had a brief conversation with an admin about the lore and they cleared it up for me and said I had made an 'understandable mistake' (or something along those lines) if I had only read the wiki because the information about the SRF I did not know was on forum posts. I received no notice that anything I had said IC was considered a break of the rules during this conversation, only that I had made a large error about the lore. At this point I stopped the gimmick and made efforts to de-escalate and bury the issue because I interpreted the message as a sign of disapproval, which it was. If another player had complained in LOOC or OOC that what I was doing made them uncomfortable I would have immediately stopped the gimmick, which I know isn't enough but it was the mindset I was in at the time. In the past I have interpreted any type of player engagement with my gimmick as approval for it to continue. This links to the second reason why I was banned which was a vampire gimmick I ran where I accidentally stepped over the ERP rule's boundaries by having my character become obsessed with another character. I also mistook engagement for approval in that situation and when nobody in the round was complaining about the gimmick or told me OOC that they disliked the gimmick when I asked went further into it. Fundamentally I have made the same mistake twice which is assuming that people choosing to engage in game meant that players, or admins, must have found whatever character gimmick I had going along good, and the more people engaged with it the more I went into it and the closer I came to violating rules. This may be the case elsewhere, but it is obviously not on Aurora. Absolutely nothing I did was done with the intention of trolling or otherwise screwing up the game for other people - the root of it is me making social mistakes. I have shown in my communications with the admins on the game a desire to follow the rules and off the game when I contested my warning for the vampire gimmick on this forum I did so attempting to better understand the rules and why what I did was against them. I will not make this type of social mistake in the future and assume player engagement means approval of some sort to continue a gimmick. If I have doubts, I will ahelp the issue and ask an admin if the gimmick I am going to do is permitted or not. I had already begun doing this and in one of the rounds I played before I was banned asked admins if what I wanted to do violated rules that concerned game play (self-antagging). In the future I will extend this to asking if role play gimmicks I have a degree of uncertainty about break rules and generally be more restrained and careful in the way I engage with other players in the game.
  6. Yet not even one of these other people objected to what I did or claimed they felt uncomfortable! If the intention of the rule is to protect players I can understand being bwoinked and advised that a gimmick came close to some limit even if I did not break any rule. I cannot understand being warned for doing something that nobody at the time thought was bad and in fact many liked. If romantic attraction between characters requires consent I would ask you to add that to the rules and also explicitly forbid the use of antag mechanics to induce that consent. There is nothing about consent in the rule I am being warned under in regards to romantic attraction. In fact, I'd argue that it implies consent is not required for that because that would be like the other players having to consent to me using antag mechanics on them which they already do by playing the game and roleplaying. I never obligated anyone to return a particular feeling to me other than the bare minimum that is required by the rules for thralls, of which I only ever made one. If I had done this gimmick during an extended round or not as an antag I could understand why there would be a problem with roleplaying an obsession that is not returned in some way considering that the spirit of the rule (even if it is not described in the rule itself) is easily understood by anyone who reads it as a way to protect players and the server's quality. However, I was an antag and did everything i could to follow the spirit and letter of the rules exactly - both those that apply to everyone and those that apply to antags specifically. The "romantic expression is allowed" clause allows me to do romantic expressions, which I have only done so far as an antagonist gimmick. If the issue is consent and I get that consent, can I do this gimmick? I would argue that the Clark player consented to participating in this by not telling me to stop, pinging moderators, and continuing to engage with me. If I need explicit consent to do these types of gimmick is it acceptable to ask in LOOC? This situation was clearly not read as sexual by the overwhelming majority of players who were participating in the game at the time. I did not perceive it as sexual when I created the gimmick and received no complaints whatsoever. If I get the Clark player to chime in here and state exactly how they felt being the target of my gimmick or say that they consented to participating in it, will it matter? To my knowledge they have not complained and they in several situations deliberately chose not to avoid me and actively roleplay with me, particularly when I was in the brig and the nature of my gimmick had become clear to everyone. If you and the other mods want to ban the type of behavior I did then I am asking you to remove the warning because I did not violate the written rules at the time and to change the rules to better reflect how they are actually enforced. If the purpose of the rule is to protect players from uncomfortable situations, I also ask you to remove the warning because I made no players uncomfortable at any point. The number of staff who dislike my gimmick is irrelevant because what I am asking for is clear and consistent enforcement of the rules or for the rules to be made clearer and more consistent in the future.
  7. It is supposed to be extremely weird, I am playing as bloodsucking vampire. If anyone had objected or claimed that my gimmick made them uncomfortable I would have stopped at once but not even one single person did this. I do not think the Clark guy was even made uncomfortable by this. The only people who seem to find it uncomfortable were people who were not playing the round! Besides that, I do not understand why I am in violation of the rules because you have not addressed my largest objection. "ERP, also known as Erotic RolePlay, is not allowed on the server. While displays of romantic affection and romantic scenes are acceptable, scenes of a clearly sexual intent will be broken up. (Again, use common sense for this. Sexual tension up to a point is acceptable - sexual acts in themselves are not.)" The rules seem to give an exemption specifically to what I was doing. Is kissing sexual? Is hand holding sexual? Kissing is something you can see seven in a children's cartoon - I don't see how by any reasonable measure it is not a display of romantic affection that would be allowed according to the rules. Hell, I wasn't even kissing the guy everyone in the round was just calling it that. What is hard to grasp is that I have still received no explanation on why what I did was a break of the rules. You have said that you personally disliked by gimmick but not why kissing constitutes a break of the ERP rule. The only thing which came even close to a rule break was me alluding to "techniques" and "him liking it" and this was in my view clearly an allusion to thralling which was known IC and OOC because I did it to one of the security people. Even taken at the worst possible interpretation I think it would still be permitted because if alluding to a sexual act was against the rules anyone who said the word "fuck" would be banned for displaying sexual intent. This interpretation would be bad because it would make the offense dependent on context rather than any specific action anyways. In fact, I had never once during the round had any sexual intent. My gimmick was focused on vampirism, not ERP. Not even one scene can be said to have had any type of sexual intent. Romantic intent, sure, but that is explicitly permitted in the rules. Then you say that "I really didn't expect so much doubling down, or I'd have placed a ban over a warning tbh." which is an astonishing statement to me because you are saying that you would put a ban over a warning based essentially on how much you personally dislike me or what I did. Are rules not supposed to be consistently and strictly applied? Are punishments not supposed to be consistently applied for clear offenses instead of at essentially random based on personal sentiments? My objection here is that the rules are being applied in an extremely loose and inconsistent way where what was okay one day is not okay the next and what seems to make what I did an offense is how disgusted you were rather than the word of the rules. I will stop posting here and stop disputing the warning if you can show me that without question that I broke the rules. I think the point that not even one person during the round objected to my gimmick and many thought it was excellent proves that the feelings you have about the gimmick may be in the minority and should not be used to condemn it. The only thing I have asked of you is to prove that what I did was against the rules by pointing to exactly what part of them I violated. I have asked you twice to do this, and you have referenced how uncomfortable and icky my gimmick was to you multiple times without referencing anything specific I did that would not seem to be allowed according to the romantic affection part of the ERP rule. I'm not satisfied by this warning because to me it seems like expression of personal feelings rather than an expression of the rules - unless the rules permit you to warn me based solely on your personal thoughts about the gimmick rather than any actual rules violation. I only want you to tell me why what I did was not explicitly allowed by the rules.
  8. Why do the rules not allow this type of situation? Nothing I said implied any type of sexual activity, even when I said "special techniques" it implied thralling. OOCly this was known, and nobody objected at the time. It was supposed to be creepy because I was playing a vampire obsessed with a specific person. Are creepy gimmicks banned? There was clearly no intent to ERP in any way, I was playing a character. People calling bites kissing has occurred on every vampire round that I have ever played. If this constitutes something sexual I would like to request that the rules be amended to something more clear, as I think a balanced interpretation of the ERP rule specifically allows this type of behavior. If my interpretation is wrong please explain why so i know how to better understand the rules. If you are absolutely sure that this warning was in the spirit of the rules then I would like to know what type of vampire gimmick is acceptable. If players instantly know what's going on when I bite them my options become extremely limited, and the gimmicks I can do become restricted. Every vampire round without exception has had this assumption made by players of all stripes. Every player in this round who directly engaged with me was okay with this assumption and I have never even once ran into any type of objection against it from anyone except in this case.
  9. 1. I do not know if the admins online were observing or playing. Was it really missed by multiple admins and did this alleged rule breaking that weirded you out not appear strange to anyone else? Did not one single person complain they felt the rules were being broken, or they felt that anything I did made them feel uncomfortable. 2. This has never happened once. I have played numerous vampire rounds where they assume its kissing, this is a common thing. 3-4. Do you intent to speak to almost every player in that round then in addition to the other person? Lastly, the rules state that "ERP, also known as Erotic RolePlay, is not allowed on the server. While displays of romantic affection and romantic scenes are acceptable, scenes of a clearly sexual intent will be broken up. (Again, use common sense for this. Sexual tension up to a point is acceptable - sexual acts in themselves are not.)" and it seems to me that this provides an out for exactly what I was doing. At no point did i display sexual intent. At no point did I ever engage in ERP in any way as it is defined here. It seems that romantic obsession is specifically allowed. If any demonstration of attraction or allusion to it is forbidden then I would ask that the rules be amended so I or other people don't make these mistakes in the future.
  10. I did not call myself that. Someone else did, and they were not warned. People have called biting kissing in every vampire round I have been the antag in without exception. I thought I kept it very tame, If the guy who used the word "whore" is not being warned why am I? Also, I didn't post that screenshot - someone i played with who enjoyed the round did! If nobody reported it and nobody was made uncomfortable by this, and in fact thought the round was made fun by it, why is this an issue? What are people meant to assume biting is? Is everyone who assumes it is kissing guilty of near-ERP and going to be warned? What about the player who called me a whore - they have told me they received no warning or message at all. Do I have full responsibility for the actions and assumptions of over players?
  11. BYOND Key: Comrade_Watermelon Staff BYOND Key: peppermint96 Game ID: cnS-aR9k Reason for complaint: Unnecessary warning given after round end. Evidence/logs/etc: Additional remarks: On 5/18/23 I was playing as a vampire antagonist with the goal to "Harass Clark Coldsmith as much as possible". I focused on going after him as much as I could, and thralled only one person. Eventually I was arrested, escaped, arrested again, escaped, and then detained again before I escaped into the ship to use monkeys as blood banks. Then I was shot to death while on the ground and denied medical treatment, which is another issue entirely I should make a complaint or topic about. Regardless, long after the round ended I log in again and find a warning that what I did strayed close to ERP. I received no warnings or complaints about my gimmick during or after the round. Everyone I asked thought it was hilarious. I received a lot of praise from some people for the gimmick, and was very surprised to see I had been warned long after the round had ended. The "sexual territory" I came close to in the first place I had never named myself, and instead other players just assumed that was what it was IC. Players assume that biting = kissing when you're doing it as a vampire and I have been brigged for assault in that way as a vampire multiple times because it is what people in the RP assume what was happening in every case I have encountered. For the entire RP I avoided any explicit implications and called biting "pecking" (this is after people made the assumption I mentioned) and I do not think the reference to someone "liking it" (being thralled) could be seen as a rule violation in any way. I was aware of the rules when I did this and made no attempt to violate them. A large part of my gimmick relied on the assumptions other crew members made - if I am responsible for creating a situation that went too far, all of them must be as well for furthering and even aiding my gimmick at times. I would like to know why this warning was issued after the round, why admins who were online at the time did not bwoink me over the gimmick, and why doing similar gimmicks before has not caused me to receive any warning. To my knowledge, nobody complained about this during or after the round apart from the length of the round which was nearly four hours after people kept voting to extend it. If either the person I was after asked me to stop or admins during the round asked me to stop I would have done so immediately. I did not mean to make anyone uncomfortable and believed that everyone had a good round at the end.
  12. If this board is for complaints about specific rule breaking actions rather than complaints in general then I may have misunderstood the point of it. I will look into making a post on the correct board in the correct forum. Thank you for responding to it anyways.
  13. played with you a bit recently. been causing you all sorts of problems. You are a good player, I like you as XO a lot. +1.
  14. BYOND Key: Comrade_Watermelon Game ID: cnS-at4u Player Byond Key & Character Name: Rize Noack - No idea how to figure out his ckey but he plays a security officer Staff Involved: N/A Reason for complaint: Security validhunting, essentially. This is a persistent problem but this incident was particularly egregious. I was antagging as raiders with three others. We stole from the vault and the engineering storage. the three other raiders got captured when we were trying to loot the crew armory, and I was the only one who fled successfully. Because of this, I proposed a deal where I would give a phoron tank back for every one of my crew which was returned. Security led by Rize Noack who was basically acting HoS at the time acted as though they accepted my deal, but planned to ambush me. This in itself is not bad. It's a good choice. The problem is that security without fail never makes deals with antags, never negotiates with them in good faith, and because of this encourages already weak antags like raiders to be stealthy and not engage with most of the ship. We did very well for raiders but the moment I try and RP with security at all is the moment I and anyone else loses. This happens over and over again. Yesterday I was playing vampire and killed by a shotgun blast to the face while I was on the ground and unarmed. Before that point, I had not killed anyone. Security is routinely the largest department and routinely kills antags the moment they get an excuse to. This discourages fun gimmicks and makes the game less interesting for everyone by encouraging stealth or building up enough stuff (access, thralls, guns, etc.) until you can take the ship by overwhelming security and simply killing them. This specific incident and player is not the issue, but the trend of sec players ruthlessly validhunting is. Security must be held to a higher standard, and more people will play antag and more interesting antag gimmicks will become possible. Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? No. I do not believe rules were actually broken, but I do think this is bad RP and discourages future interesting antag gimmicks or play. I am reporting this because it is a persistent issue where rules aren't technically being broken but it matters a lot. Approximate Date/Time: 5/18/2023 around 12:30 EST.
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