Moving the Janitor to Engineering

[Jamini]

I know it's a weird change, and I'm not 100% certain on the idea myself however. I thought it would be worth discussing.

In most organizations I've worked for/been in, custodial staff are generally grouped up with maintenance and report to the building's chief engineer. Honestly, their location and general range of jobs on the station is already pretty conductive to adding janitor's to engineering (People ask engineers to replace lights all the time anyway, and the Janitor is literally just down the hall). Not to mention that the incinerator is right by engineering as well. As far as I'm aware, most HOPs don't really interact with Janitors much, while having the Janitor on the engineering channel would be useful to call them to locations that have just been repaired.

So, my suggestion:

1. Move the Janitor/Custodian/Sanitation Engineer position to engineering. Under the Chief Engineer.

2. Give Janitors an engineering headset

3. (Not required, but by convention this would need to be done) Give the CE access to the Janitor's closet.

What would NOT be done

1. Janitors would not gain engineering access, or access to the break room.

2. Engineers and Atmos techs would NOT gain access to the closet.

I'd like opinions on this. Do you think this is a good idea? I worry about taking power/responsibility from the HOP. But on the other hand, it probably wouldn't amount to much at all really, in the end.

[Flamingo]

This sounds good to me. I rarely see a HoP who will do janitorial work anyways, and the engineers basically do half of the janitors job anyways. Having the Chief Engineer there to provide [legal] access to the closet would be a big help, and allow the engineers to pick up slack for station maintenance and cleanliness in those long rounds where Pun Pun gets brutally murdered in the halls four minutes in, leaving the hallways drenched in blood for the remainder of the round.

As a side note, this goes both ways, with the Janitor picking up slack for engineering in replacing floor tiles, cleaning up rooms and replacing lights after electrical storms and such.

[mrimatool]

Fucking adore this idea, giving the janitor some basic tools like a wrench crowbar and screwdriver would be nice, allowing him to be the local maintenance guy. Leaving engineers to deal with broken walls while he puts up furniture. It makes so much more sense to be honest.

[Guest]

This sounds good to me. I rarely see a HoP who will do janitorial work anyways, and the engineers basically do half of the janitors job anyways. Having the Chief Engineer there to provide [legal] access to the closet would be a big help, and allow the engineers to pick up slack for station maintenance and cleanliness in those long rounds where Pun Pun gets brutally murdered in the halls four minutes in, leaving the hallways drenched in blood for the remainder of the round.

As a side note, this goes both ways, with the Janitor picking up slack for engineering in replacing floor tiles, cleaning up rooms and replacing lights after electrical storms and such.

 

This is the worry I have with moving them into the same department, the mindset of because I'm listed under engineering, I am able to do anything engineers do.

Replacing lights is the Janitors job then goes second to the engineers if there isn't one.

Personally I don't feel they need to be merged as the janitor is ment to clean up mess from all over the station and the HoP is the one who (should) be able to be able to coordinate that most effectively.

They have access to the general channel which they can be called on by any department and there is (most of the time) something for them to do, whether it's cleaning up the mess of blood down the hall or picking up everyone cigarettes left over from chain smoking.

I do feel that there should be more than one slot for them as usually the spot is filled by someone who goes ssd without saying a word and an engineering headset could be useful to them, but so could one for security to clean blood after an arrest, Medical to clean blood and dirt from walking on the same spot over and over, Science to clean the mess from the protohumans they hit.

As for Janitors replacing floor tiles, I see no problem with.

[Jamini]

Medical have a plethora of spraybottles in their department for cleaning up blood.

Again, my main argument here is from personal experience IRL. Custodians and Janitors normally report to the Chief Engineer of the building, at least in most of the places I've worked. Honestly, most Janitors I've known have done more intensive maintenance than cleaning too. (Had one guy at a hotel I used to work at who basically did all the repairs for furniture/lights/plumbing that they didn't call a specialist in for. For example). Schools and government buildings are the same, regarding custodians and the local Chief Engineer for the building, at least in my region.