Unban Request - Menown: Lessons in Futility and Backtreading

[Guest Menown]

BYOND Key: Menown

Total Ban Length: NaN hours (Permanent)

Banning staff member's Key: BoryaTheSlayer

Reason of Ban: Don't know the exact reason. Haven't tried to log in since the ban, but it was regarding me offering complaints after the round in OOC regarding poor antag play.

Reason for Appeal: I had originally expressed intention to move on from Aurora following this incident but as time grew on it felt more and more unfair that this occurred, especially given the nature of the incident. Often many people complain about the way antags operate, especially during the later stages of a round, and especially in OOC, so for me to be escalated directly to a permaban when I did so, while also offering a better suggestion of how up handle that from the point of the antag, is especially disheartening.

I've offered a lot of unfaltering loyalty to Aurora through the years (and I mean years), so to be cast aside like worn out socks is painful. I will acknowledge that I do have an issue with bringing incidents to OOC, but this wasn't the run of the mill type in the past. I had waited until the round ended and had at least offered some explanation to why people take issue with that type of antag play, without even naming anybody.

In the event of this being approved, I'll more than likely retain my new avoidance of using OOC channels until I can get a better control of it, as well as work to better improve my reception here, as I know there's a lot of issues found with me.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Menown
Anyways - antags

[BoryaTheSlayer]

Hello.

It has only been two weeks since I have applied this ban. For clarity: the reason of the ban is history of toxic behaviour(aka being a dick, which is a violation of rule 1) and complaining in OOC.

I also recommend you look through what you wrote and think whether you did actually learn from your mistakes or not.

[Guest Menown]

I offered possible options of distancing myself from OOC so I won't fall into that habit, as well as looking at my own behavior to see if I can fix some of the toxicity. This is literally my first punishment for it, with nobody telling me anything that I'm doing that is causing a rift between me and the community, except for one unlikely person who I had since made an effort to repair my friendship with.

 

I'm willing to understand what I can do differently and to try and better my behavior, but declaring I'm toxic without telling me what I was doing doesn't allow me to try and change. Jumping straight to a permanent ban isn't a way to do it, but I'm willing to accept it, as two weeks is time to think about whether this place means enough for me to try and change. Which to me it does.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Menown
A word

[BoryaTheSlayer]

There would have been no permaban if this was your first punishment regarding your behaviour. We have around 3 notes about your OOC behaviour, a warning, and a temporary ban. That is solely about the OOC behaviour. In addition to these, you had also been noted, warned and banned for: EORG, joke names(way too many times), and other similar chucklefucking. What happened here was the straw that broke the camel's back; and thus, a permaban was applied.

While I appreciate that you're willing to learn from your mistake, you seem to have forgotten about the other things you have done prior to this. I'm glad that Aurora means a lot for you: but, 2 weeks of a permaban after all that has happened is simply not enough.

And, even though I say this, this doesn't mean you will never join Aurora again. Try again sometime later. But now is just not the time.

[Guest Menown]

2 hours ago, BoryaTheSlayer said:

EORG, joke names(way too many times), and other similar chucklefucking

Is any of this the toxic behavior I reportedly exhibited?

[BoryaTheSlayer]

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In addition to these, you had also been noted, warned and banned for:...

These are not pertaining to your OOC behaviour, however, as I have said right before that sentence you have quoted:
 

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We have around 3 notes about your OOC behaviour, a warning, and a temporary ban. That is solely about the OOC behaviour.

To explain why the things that are not pertaining to your OOC behaviour are relevant, in my own words:

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What happened here was the straw that broke the camel's back; and thus, a permaban was applied.

 

[Guest Menown]

If they aren't related to OOC behavior, how are they relevant at all? I'm failing to understand that.

[BoryaTheSlayer]

You had accumulated a lot of administrative action. You received within a span of 2 months alone a warning(for EORG) and two temporary bans(one for going off on a tangent in OOC and being disrespectful, the other one for EORG). I can't simply look past the pattern of rule-breaking behaviour just because the other administrative actions were not directly tied to the situation at hand: when an individual is repeatedly breaking multiple rules, that means punishment will be harsher.

[Guest Menown]

12 minutes ago, BoryaTheSlayer said:

You received within a span of 2 months alone a warning(for EORG) and two temporary bans(one for going off on a tangent in OOC and being disrespectful, the other one for EORG).

It's exceedingly unfair to apply the warning for that as it was removed. The warning was removed when the permaban was applied so to use them both together when it wouldn't have been applied if the other one is just excessive and unfair.

The incident with the EORG was a chucklefucking issue, not an entirely OOC toxicity issue. I'll admit I do have an issue with not taking IC as seriously as I should but since that I had no issues with anything similar.

As for the day ban, that was a moderator giving me time to calm down when I was clearly upset as a result of being ganked within minutes of joining a round. As repeated. I do have issues, one of which being a lack of filter for what's acceptable to go in OOC, but those aren't really things that relate to what occurred during this ban in question.

Do I need to do a complaint on the ban itself, because it's starting to feel more like it.

[BoryaTheSlayer]

If you disagree with the reasoning, yes. That should be a staff complaint.

[Guest Menown]

Feel free to close this.