NG+7 Gael Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) This is a Discord complaint. Discord ID: Imperial Duck#5344 Staff Discord ID: Petrichor#0098 Game ID: N/A Reason for complaint: I was given a strike for, basically, disagreeing with people in Discord. I don't really know what else to say. I disagreed with some people's opinions, stated my own, and then Petrichor claimed I was baiting. I then got a strike for "baiting". Just seems like targeted staff action if anything. Petrichor also claimed it was a "repeated problem" for some reason, so there's that. Evidence/logs/etc: Additional remarks: Edited July 15, 2022 by NG+7 Gael
Haydizzle Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Having an opinion that disagrees with someone is fine. People are entitled to their opinions. There were comments made however that are baiting, and the tendency of some of your posts that sound nonchalant and aloof nudged me towards striking you. This has been something I've observed in the past as well. Regarding it being "targeted," I conferred with WickedCybs about this too before making the decision, and we both felt it was appropriate. This was the post in question that I issued the strike for, and Sycmos summarized the rest of the conversation as well, in my view: Additionally, your response to it was extraordinarily hostile and uncalled for. Edited July 15, 2022 by Haydizzle Small clarification in response
NG+7 Gael Posted July 15, 2022 Author Posted July 15, 2022 As far as the first part goes, I don't see the problem. In the conversation that Sycmos was referring to, I was quite literally saying that I enjoyed something because I found it fun, as Sycmos said. It wasn't an argument based on anything else. So I agreed with him. That's not a bait. As far as the second part goes, yeah, it was a hostile response. I got a strike for having an opinion, so yes that's going to annoy me. It's irrelevant to what I got a strike for anyways, so I don't know why you brought it up.
Haydizzle Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) The problem is brushing aside what people say. You said you found it fun, but it was in the same breath as waving off other people and baiting them. There are other instances of brushing aside people's arguments that can be seen when you said it "doesn't matter why" in regards to another point someone brings up. The second part is relevant because it was a hostile response, bringing up the strike needlessly on the relay when I could've taken a DM, and just another form of baiting mods. This wasn't even the first time today that you had a response like this to moderator actions. Edited July 15, 2022 by Haydizzle
NG+7 Gael Posted July 15, 2022 Author Posted July 15, 2022 I didn't brush aside what people said though? And you're still claiming that I'm baiting people even though I'm saying I'm not. I don't know why you think that you get to decide what is and isn't bait. As far as when I said "doesn't matter why", that was literally right before when I said "if it's fun, it's fun". That was all one sentence. "It doesn't matter why, if it's fun, it's fun." And yes, as you posted, I did say that I disagreed with someone else's strike earlier. Once again, it's not bait, it's me giving my opinion. Stop claiming that I'm baiting people without any proof. It's beyond annoying.
Haydizzle Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 On 14/07/2022 at 23:34, NG+7 Gael said: And you're still claiming that I'm baiting people even though I'm saying I'm not. I don't know why you think that you get to decide what is and isn't bait. This is about the same as saying "I don't know why you think that you get to decide what is and isn't rulebreaking." Moderators are trusted to handle this. At the end of the day, baiting breaks rule 2: don't be a dick. It is anger-inducing and comes from a place of bad faith. I'd be inclined to believe that you were not baiting people, were it not for the needless insults, taunting, and lip that was doled out when you received a strike, as well as over the course of this complaint— all of which still break rule 2. I stand by my decision, and I don't believe I have much else to add unless prompted by whoever reviews this complaint.
MattAtlas Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 @NG+7 Gael I hid your last post because it was absolutely unacceptable to reply to someone like this. Do that again and I am banning you from the game as well.
NG+7 Gael Posted July 24, 2022 Author Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MattAtlas said: @NG+7 Gael I hid your last post because it was absolutely unacceptable to reply to someone like this. Do that again and I am banning you from the game as well. what the hell are you talking about? what about that was "unacceptable"?? Edited July 24, 2022 by NG+7 Gael
MattAtlas Posted July 24, 2022 Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, NG+7 Gael said: what the hell are you talking about? what about that was "unacceptable"?? Your tone was extremely aggressive and you should not be replying to people like that.
NG+7 Gael Posted July 24, 2022 Author Posted July 24, 2022 and yet passive-aggressively calling me a dick is just fine? cool.
MattAtlas Posted July 30, 2022 Posted July 30, 2022 So I looked into the logs. Most of the conversation is okay, until you get to this part. Not really sure how else to call this other than bad faith arguing. If you were trying to be serious as you said then you would not have said "yes, and?" to someone asking you to elaborate on your arguments, and it is absolutely within a discord moderator's power to warn someone for shitposting/bad faith arguing during an actual discussion. This complaint will be closed in 24 hours.
NG+7 Gael Posted July 30, 2022 Author Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) I was not asked to elaborate on my argument, nor was it an argument, as I already said. It was me giving my opinion, which Sycmos took to be an "argument" by his own accord. "Yes, and?" is not a 'bad faith argument' when there's no argument, all I was doing was agreeing. "You're doing ____" is not 'asking for an elaboration', it's someone dismissing my opinions because they're not found in some sort of logic, but... well, by my opinion. Edited July 30, 2022 by NG+7 Gael
MattAtlas Posted July 30, 2022 Posted July 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, NG+7 Gael said: I was not asked to elaborate on my argument, nor was it an argument, as I already said. It was me giving my opinion, which Sycmos took to be an "argument" by his own accord. "Yes, and?" is not a 'bad faith argument' when there's no argument, all I was doing was agreeing. "You're doing ____" is not 'asking for an elaboration', it's someone dismissing my opinions because they're not found in some sort of logic, but... well, by my opinion. If you are going to drop your opinion on a topic, repeat it several times and (by your own admission, also not give any argumentation) later give a sarcastic reply to someone telling you that you aren't really giving any constructive ideas or feedback to the matter at hand (which is clearly an implicit way of asking you for elaboration), then that is bad faith arguing and it is as clear cut as it can get. I am not changing my resolution on this complaint.
NG+7 Gael Posted July 30, 2022 Author Posted July 30, 2022 that's very not 'clearly an implicit was of asking for elaboration'. And it wasn't sarcasm, it was literally just a response. that's still not 'bad faith arguing', but whatever, you've already stated your unwillingness to listen. I'm done.
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