Sniblet Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) Moved from this ban appeal thread because it looks like I was using the wrong section. BYOND Key: Sniblet Staff BYOND Key: peppermint96 Game ID: Last round as of posting, probably Reason for complaint: Extensive details, complete context, etc are in the linked ban appeal. I believe I've been erroneously seen as a serial ERPer and accordingly tempbanned (and warned of a future permaban) for using immature phrasing regarding dicks as an established immature kid technomancer. My history with the ERP rule was a note (may I read it?) that I think (I do not know what the note actually is) came from me contacting staff to ask what my next steps should be in a flirty PDA conversation to avoid toeing the ERP line. I took advice from that discussion and was not scolded about the action I eventually decided to take. peppermint seems to be arguing that "I've been warned about this before," which implies that they think I've overstepped a line before, when to my knowledge I have not. I also don't think I overstepped a line this time. What I did was not, by any stretch I can currently agree with, erotic. Evidence/logs/etc: You guys should have those, I don't Additional remarks: Sorry about the confusion with the previous thread. Edited January 1, 2023 by Sniblet "Extensive details" > "Extensive details, complete context, etc"
Sniblet Posted January 1, 2023 Author Posted January 1, 2023 God OK they just replied to the ban appeal Sorry peppermint!! Can we have this talk here though, I still think you're acting on bad info
Peppermint Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Sniblet said: God OK they just replied to the ban appeal Sorry peppermint!! Can we have this talk here though, I still think you're acting on bad info Is this in regards to the previous note I mentioned? I'll look into who placed it and talk to them. 1
Peppermint Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 I've looked at what was said during the PDA conversation. To be clear the extent it was going toward was deemed not ok. However it wasn't as not okay as I thought it would be. I'm willing to drop the ban to a warning, but I'm unwilling to remove the link entirely. The admin who placed the note has also said they're gonna edit it to be a bit clearer.
Sniblet Posted January 1, 2023 Author Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) So, to reiterate: my mistake this time was making the warden look like she was trying to ERP? The thing is, to the person you're saying not to get your dick out too, it immediately creates a situation where your character was implying theirs's was doing exactly that - attempting to undress your character for questionable purposes. This kind of thing sticks. It doesn't matter if it's observers or other players, but this kind of stuff causes issues. People aren't going to want to interact with someone who's trying to 'get people's dicks out' or the like, yeah? It's really just the kind of thing that gets cemented onto someone's reputation in a really bad way. I do not believe you were being malicious, or attempting to do that. I don't know of anyone who actually saw it that way. I was distracted once the PMs started, of course, but I don't think anyone took, or any reasonable person could have taken, my comment as an actual accusation. It's evident that you, at least, didn't think she was ERPing. Did deadchat have a different view, or something? Edited January 1, 2023 by Sniblet ", or any reasonable person could have taken,"
Peppermint Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 ERP is just an easy catchall term for adult content - less so having sexy time with people as it would be elsewhere. The problem is that it puts the other person in a really bad spot. It insinuates they were trying to get your character's dick out which shifts all sorts of uncomfy, unfortunate pressure onto them. Does that make sense? I don't know if I'm explaining it well; late, but wanna get this resolved given it's 24 hours.
Sniblet Posted January 1, 2023 Author Posted January 1, 2023 A 24 hour ban is whatever, but a note that someone in the future could use to assume that I'm a serial ERPer is forever - as we've learned with this ban happening to begin with. I also want to be absolutely sure about what I did so it doesn't happen twice. So my mistake was making the warden feel like she might have been violating the technomancer? (she seemed to brush it off, actually, but I can see it still being a bad thing if I did it to someone else)
Peppermint Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) The way we do unbans is that the forum link is put into your notes to list as an explanation for anyone else reading through it (so here me saying I was wrong with my judgement and happy to drop it down, so shouldn't need to worry about others' judging)- so there will be context added. And yes, that's correct. As specified too, the note is already being re-written to make it clearer. Edited January 1, 2023 by Peppermint
Sniblet Posted January 1, 2023 Author Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) Okay, thank you. I think I'll have an easy time not repeating this. I'm still unable to connect - did you say you were bringing down the ban? Edited January 1, 2023 by Sniblet One last question
Peppermint Posted January 1, 2023 Posted January 1, 2023 I've lifted the ban and replaced it with a warning.
Sniblet Posted January 1, 2023 Author Posted January 1, 2023 I can connect now. That's all, thanks again.
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