A flag for Luna

[Shimmer]

Lore Impact (Small/Medium/Large): Small

Species: Human

Short Description: A flag for Luna, one of the two planets in Sol that don't have one.

How will this be reflected on-station?: A new flag that can be used.

Does this addition do anything not achieved by what already exists?: A flag for a planet that doesn't have one.

Do you understand that the project may change over time in ways you may not foresee once it is handed over to the Lore Team? I understand.

Long Description:

There isn't much to describe here, Luna never had a flag, I like the planet, so I went out of my way to make one. I asked Rose to sprite it and she did, bless her heart.

The blue is supposed to be a representation of Earth, while the gold represents the Sun, the black is for space (in a literal meaning and representing space)

The crescent represents Luna itself, it's orientation is meant to be reminiscent of the headpiece of the Greek goddess Selene, and her Roman counterpart Luna.

Here is the sprite made by Rose(StevIII), I will poke her to make a PR to add it assuming this is approved.

[lilahnovi]

I like! But may I ask why orange and blue in particular? Any kind of symbolism? Or are the colors important in the moon lore? Just curious!

[GeneralCamo]

Should probably have the Solarian flag in the corner like all other Sol flags. If that's added, I would not mind seeing it added.

To Rose: A template exists for this in the sprite file.

[Shimmer]

6 hours ago, GeneralCamo said:

Should probably have the Solarian flag in the corner like all other Sol flags. If that's added, I would not mind seeing it added.

To Rose: A template exists for this in the sprite file.

I intentionally avoided placing the Solarian flag in the corner for a few reasons:

1. It doesn't add anything significant, it simply marks a flag as belonging to Sol, which in my opinion isn't worth point 2...

2. It utterly destroys the aesthetic of the flag, Liberian County flags are made fun of in part because of the decision to add the state flag in the corner. They're all of inconsistent sizes, heavily heavily clash with the original flag while serving no meaningful symbolic purpose that hasn't been already achieved.

3. Whoever made the flag for San Colette understands this, which is why they didn't add it to the flag, in spite of the fact that San Colette is a Solarian state.

 

I would personally prefer to not have the flag at all rather than having the Solarian flag on it, it ruins it that much for me. Its atrocious.

[Shimmer]

6 hours ago, lilahnovi said:

I like! But may I ask why orange and blue in particular? Any kind of symbolism? Or are the colors important in the moon lore? Just curious!

The lore page for the moon is one of the shorter one's so there really isn't much mentioned color wise.

However, black and white are picked both because they contrast well, and because that is what your average Lunan will see pretty much all the time. The planet is tidally locked, as such it has a period where the sky is dominated only by the sun, and a period where its completely dark safe for stars (and if you're on the light side, the Earth).

The blue is meant to represent Earth, blue is the color associated with it ("The blue marble), while gold represents the sun.

They're both colors of the Solarian flag, meant to symbolise belonging to it.

[NewOriginalSchwann]

Hello. The human lore team has discussed this lore application and has concluded we will not accept it without the Solarian flag in the corner as this is a trait shared by every Solarian member-state. The exception is San Colette and, as the original designer of its flag, this was a conscious choice made due to its status as a world in the Wildlands. Post-reunification updates it will have the corner flag re-added as it is a Solarian member-state once again.

[Shimmer]

5 hours ago, NewOriginalSchwann said:

Hello. The human lore team has discussed this lore application and has concluded we will not accept it without the Solarian flag in the corner as this is a trait shared by every Solarian member-state. The exception is San Colette and, as the original designer of its flag, this was a conscious choice made due to its status as a world in the Wildlands. Post-reunification updates it will have the corner flag re-added as it is a Solarian member-state once again.

Hello! Thank you for the reply!
Would it be possible to create a different thread to contest this policy? From my point of view, the Solarian canton flag greatly clashes and ruins the balance of existing designs, like that of Visegrad and (soon) San Colette. If I were to explain my point of view in a different thread, to have them ultimately removed / replaced, where should I go to?

[NewOriginalSchwann]

9 minutes ago, Shimmer said:

Hello! Thank you for the reply!
Would it be possible to create a different thread to contest this policy? From my point of view, the Solarian canton flag greatly clashes and ruins the balance of existing designs, like that of Visegrad and (soon) San Colette. If I were to explain my point of view in a different thread, to have them ultimately removed / replaced, where should I go to?

In my view, you would need to make another canonization application. Regarding the cantons: while I cannot speak for the rest of the team, I have no intention of removing them. They are a unique feature of the Alliance’s flags which immediately identifies them as Solarian for players. Without them, there will be no way to easily distinguish a Solarian flag from a Coalition or Republic of Biesel one.

[Shimmer]

1 hour ago, NewOriginalSchwann said:

In my view, you would need to make another canonization application. Regarding the cantons: while I cannot speak for the rest of the team, I have no intention of removing them. They are a unique feature of the Alliance’s flags which immediately identifies them as Solarian for players. Without them, there will be no way to easily distinguish a Solarian flag from a Coalition or Republic of Biesel one.

Understood, I've been meaning to redesign some of the flags that have started to show their age, would using a common symbol integrated into those flags be considered for a replacement of the canton flag?

[limette]

I would counter aesthetic points with the idea that this is an in-lore flag, not necessarily a vexillologist's dream; ugly flags exist in real life, particularly for subdivisions of states, so I see no reason that ugly features shouldn't exist for flags ingame so long as they're for a reason.

[GeneralCamo]

Luna is old enough you could say the non-cantoned flag is from before the Sol Alliance was a thing. It'd be positively ancient at this point, but it seems valid to me. 

[The7thLain]

6 hours ago, Shimmer said:

Understood, I've been meaning to redesign some of the flags that have started to show their age, would using a common symbol integrated into those flags be considered for a replacement of the canton flag?

If we find the symbol to be acceptable and representative of the Solarian Alliance as a whole and workable with all of the extant Solarian flags, then yes. As it stands presently however, unless the canton flag is included in this application's flag, the application will be denied.

[Shimmer]

On 25/08/2023 at 23:42, TheBurninSherman said:

If we find the symbol to be acceptable and representative of the Solarian Alliance as a whole and workable with all of the extant Solarian flags, then yes. As it stands presently however, unless the canton flag is included in this application's flag, the application will be denied.

Thank you, I will add the Solarian flag to my proposal until I can come up with an alternative, which will come in another app with redesigns of some other flags.

Where would be an appropriate place to see whether the team approves of a symbol or not, or has any advice, outside of canon applications? 

[Shimmer]

Slightly polished up, Solarian flag added. Can include the krita file for editing layers if need be.

Rose has done *the* work to make it into various in game sprites, I have no idea how to PR stuff like that in so I would be happy for an explanation (assuming this is accepted)

[NewOriginalSchwann]

Hello! My apologies for the delay, life issues and some other events waylaid us for some days. This application is accepted! Ideally we’ll have it onto the wiki quite soon. Thank you for your contribution to human lore!