Jamini Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 BYOND Key: Jamini Player Byond Key: Direwolf20 Staff involved: None Reason for complaint: Early Evacuation, Cutting the round short, Metagaming Approximate Date/Time: 6/3/2015 - 10:50pm end Events: Primetime Nuke Round, I was playing as one of the operatives. (Zashi Malik, The Pirate King). Due to Jackboot announcing a bit of Unathi lore, we had decided that we would stage an attack on the NSS Aurora with a pair of bombs, then "chase" off the Unathi as a mercenary squad in order to get in the graces of the crew. One of our member, Honker (Draculabot I belive) detonated a bomb by the bridge and the armory, killed one responding officer, then got launched into space as a radstorm hit. As far as communications go, the cover was successful. The crew had no solid evidence we were posing as the raiders when we offered to "help" the station. However. My objection comes up when the CMO, Harlowe Bennit, decides unilaterally and against the wishes of the HoP and HoS to call the shuttle, multiple times. Completely ignoring the Merc Teams Offer for "help". Essentially ending the round very early for a number of players. Mind, yes, there were limited engineering staff and several areas were vented. However his belligerent evacuation stance and absolute refusal to even consider what all appearances was a genuine offer to help. To the point where we pulled Houssam Jawdat and Meowy's tajara out of a breached area. In the end, due to the sudden evacuation, we simply opted to loot the station and bug out. Still, I do not feel that Harlowe's actions were very much responsive to how the round was playing out. I feel that his actions were mostly driven by meta, ending what could have been an interesting round for all involved in a very boring and sad evacuation.
Tabitha Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Okay so for one, I can promise you it was not meta, Here is harlowes point of view... HE arrives on the station, about ten minuets into his shift bombs start going off and atmospherics alerts are hitting the ceiling, he even has to leave medbay to assist the Borg TRIXIE just to get us running POWER.Then all of the sudden over radio chat, the unathi navy is showing up outside the Aurora, someone else, (I think a tajaran, name started with a z) did as well. They are both bantering back and forth about shooting /something/, then another hull breach happened. In harlowes eyes, these people OPENED FIRE on the Aurora with it's crew inside. There we /already/ several breaches and only one BORG working on everything. So he did what he is supposed to as a head-of-staff and a member of medical, He did what he thought would keep the crew the safest. By getting them the hell out of there. On a side note, Not many people had objections to leaving at the time either, Just falk and Houssam...everyone else I heard over comms and in the next round in OOC was okay with this, Some in fact glad ICly that we were leaving and several that were in total agreement. Now, On a different note, If you feel I ruined some potentially cool RP I am very sorry and I apologize to you personally for doing so, But I still think that I did that right thing as harlowe and that the choice was the proper course of action. For all I knew we were in the middle of a soon to be or potential warzone. I heard nothing about them being "Mercs" I heard "Navy" witch in turn ment to me that they were from an organized goverments military and a serious threat to the station and crew to begin with.Hell, the first words I hear form your group over our radio was "DEATH TO HUMANS THEY ARE A DISEASE AND I AM THE CURE" Also, the only person that had any pull on the station at the time that trusted you guys was houssam...and we dont trust /him/..Also we had already taken casualties from the breaches, then we have people rushing into medbay with rad sickness, Nobody that could do chemistry except for me, Who was stuck outside the engineering lobby without a way back to medical because of a spread breach and lack of access. The station was in genrally shuttle worthy shape before you guys did much of anything...Witch was completely out of my hands, all I did was send us home to keep us safe.
Jamini Posted June 4, 2015 Author Posted June 4, 2015 Okay so for one, I can promise you it was not meta, Here is harlowes point of view... HE arrives on the station, about ten minuets into his shift bombs start going off and atmospherics alerts are hitting the ceiling, he even has to leave medbay to assist the Borg TRIXIE just to get us running POWER.Then all of the sudden over radio chat, the unathi navy is showing up outside the Aurora, someone else, (I think a tajaran, name started with a z) did as well. They are both bantering back and forth about shooting /something/, then another hull breach happened. In harlowes eyes, these people OPENED FIRE on the Aurora with it's crew inside. You were not paying very close attention. We pretty explicitly stated we had "chased off" the Unathi ship. Hell, the person who did the bombings actually died. We then offered, repeatedly, to give you assistance for money (Which Vira had outright /told/ you that we were playing the part of genuine mercenaries) There we /already/ several breaches and only one BORG working on everything. There were two breaches. One on the bridge, one at the vault. So he did what he is supposed to as a head-of-staff and a member of medical, He did what he thought would keep the crew the safest. By getting them the hell out of there. On a side note, Not many people had objections to leaving at the time either, Just falk and Houssam...everyone else I heard over comms and in the next round in OOC was okay with this, Some in fact glad ICly that we were leaving and several that were in total agreement. I saw numerous people complain over EVERY communication channel AND in OOC that you left early. OOC In the next round was /filled/ with people decrying Harlowe for the early evacuation. That is also in addition to the fact that the mercenaries outright offered to help AND you could have called an ERT. You were the sole person, on any radio channel, outright calling for a shuttle. [6/3/2015 11:13:19 PM] Jackboot: The CMO was fuckign dumb[6/3/2015 11:13:19 PM] Jackboot: I recalled it the first time but it instantly got resent. [6/3/2015 11:13:26 PM] Jackboot: I was afraid if I cancelled it again I'd get admin action. [6/3/2015 11:14:32 PM] Jamini: [6/3/2015 10:55:51 PM] Jamini: I am going to put up a player complaint.[6/3/2015 10:55:54 PM] Delta Thirty Eight: Do it, please. [6/3/2015 10:56:02 PM] Delta Thirty Eight: That round ended way too fucking fast Those are just two people I talked too after the round in skype. There were a great number of others who were dissatisfied with how you called the shuttle. Now, On a different note, If you feel I ruined some potentially cool RP I am very sorry and I apologize to you personally for doing so, But I still think that I did that right thing as harlowe and that the choice was the proper course of action. For all I knew we were in the middle of a soon to be or potential warzone. I heard nothing about them being "Mercs" I heard "Navy" witch in turn ment to me that they were from an organized goverments military and a serious threat to the station and crew to begin with.Hell, the first words I hear form your group over our radio was "DEATH TO HUMANS THEY ARE A DISEASE AND I AM THE CURE" The original transmission was from someone impersonating the new Unathi vessal's commander. Zashi was from the "IOV Akira", and had reportedly "Chased the raiders off" Also, the only person that had any pull on the station at the time that trusted you guys was houssam...and we dont trust /him/.. He is your goddamn Head of Personal, and Falk was also against evacutating. OOC concerns aside you should be trusting your fellow heads of staff. Also we had already taken casualties from the breaches, then we have people rushing into medbay with rad sickness, Nobody that could do chemistry except for me, Who was stuck outside the engineering lobby without a way back to medical because of a spread breach and lack of access. The station was in genrally shuttle worthy shape before you guys did much of anything...Witch was completely out of my hands, all I did was send us home to keep us safe. We outright stated that we had engineers and medical staff to help you. You ignored this and chose to evacuate when you had people offering you assistance in areas where you needed help. That Explicitly included chemistry and engineering. This sort of evacuation and refusal to accept any help simply screams metagaming, because you out of character knew we were operatives.
Guest Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 About the trusting Houssam thing, he is currently a suspect for corporate embezzlement, he is also known to employ those who he is friends with is positions of power. ICly, Heads of staff would be told by Command to watch him most likely. He's also a Tajaran HoP which is basically rare
Guest Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Except the distrust affected gameplay decisions from an extent of head of staff play. It led to a very poorly made decision in the best interest of the round. Unless the singularity is loose, there should be no reason to call a shuttle before an hour has lapsed. You were given offers for help by what could've been, at worst, opportunist mercenaries that would proooobably take advantage of it after the fact, but the fact of the matter is, you could've cut your losses in the best interest of the crew by accepting help. Hell, that would've made for some n33t roleplaying scenarios, too. But rather than being sensible about it and explaining yourself as to why you had a bad feeling about it, you wordlessly took action against it. You didn't communicate with heads of staff, you didn't tell anyone anything about what you were doing. That is a failure of accountability as well as undermining the operation of the chain of command. This isn't the kind of behavior I would expect from a head of staff. You made a leap of faith decision without any thought on the big picture in terms of general enjoyment for everyone. You made a decision at the expense of the crew that wanted to sit tight for the round (and maybe get some help from the mercs, possibly?) as well as the antagonists that wanted to do something unique and mostly non-hostile.
Jamini Posted June 4, 2015 Author Posted June 4, 2015 About the trusting Houssam thing, he is currently a suspect for corporate embezzlement, he is also known to employ those who he is friends with is positions of power. ICly, Heads of staff would be told by Command to watch him most likely. He's also a Tajaran HoP which is basically rare Xander. No DO or other notice for Jawdat has been posted. While individuals are certainly welcome to rp as they wish from experiance with Jawdat. Those who haven't had any experiance with him have /not/ received any official statements as such. We have forums for that information. That is why we use it. Distrusting someone in command is not and should not be default practice without a very good precedent from the character in question. It is meta to assume Jawdat is untrustworthy without being given reason to belive so ICly. In fact, the very fact that he is a tajaran should make him appear to be Bmore/ trustworthy. You do not get into an officially trusted position as a minority without either havig very good connections, being exceptional at you job, or both.
Guest Menown Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 The complaint isn't about Houssam, so can we get back on track, please?
Gollee Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Dropping in as a DO, there have been no actions against Houssam, and there is not a single report against him. I don't know where Xander is getting the impression that he is being investigated for VERY serious crimes, but I can find no record of it. Therefore, it is an invalid reason to distrust Houssam off the bat; Direwolf is going to need to explain that reasoning.
Guest Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Just as a disclaimer: I got the information from Serveris, who said his Investigation Taskforce into the Jawdats on behalf of NT had been absorbed into the DOs. And yes, all command characters would have seen the posted notice in the extranet regarding Jawdat back when the taskforce post was made. But, back on track. The decision to call the shuttle, and keep calling it, against the wish of the other command members and players is really not acceptable. I wouldn't even do that, and I'm known for brazen reactions to emergencies.
TishinaStalker Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Stay *completely* on track. If anything in your post is not related at all to the original complaint, then do not add it.
Tabitha Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Well, Then I am Wholeheartedly sorry for the incident. I didn't view it as your describing, The way I saw it we were in danger and I figured to cut our losses and leave. I'm sorry for impacting your role-playing experience in a negative way. I truly am very sorry I spoiled it for you, but that is not how I saw things at all.
Jamini Posted June 4, 2015 Author Posted June 4, 2015 Well, Then I am Wholeheartedly sorry for the incident. I didn't view it as your describing, The way I saw it we were in danger and I figured to cut our losses and leave. I'm sorry for impacting your role-playing experience in a negative way. I truly am very sorry I spoiled it for you, but that is not how I saw things at all. I'll happily drop this then. Unless the administration wants to pursue. Just uh, in the future could you try other options first? The ERT, as I am constantly reminded by other command players, DOES respond to medical and engineering emergencies (...even when we don't need it). They were a viable option here. That's really all I ask myself unless Baka, Doom, or anyone else have anything else to add?
Baka Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 With this topic, I am glad you two have talked it out and discussed this issue. Be mindful about roleplay which may be happening if you are going to call an evacuation in the future. Think of them as truly last resort things, like if the station is blown to kingdom come, and nothing but the halls are littered in blood and gore. Closing and archiving, feel free to pm me with questions or concerns.
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