Eliot Clef Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 BYOND Key: Aedan Player Byond Key: Monica Wentzel (Reo neo cooper), Spooce (Derrik Bolton), both assumed on reasonably good grounds. Additional parties, whom I am not complaining of: Detective Cladius Mccullough, I believe played by SoapyCup. (Again, this is simply an assumption I made based on LOOC chatter/proximity.) Staff involved: I did not ahelp this. Reason for complaint: Alright, so. Dead hour, around 2:40-3:00 AM CST on 8/23/2015. These two get into some trouble for screwing around too much, and start taking it OOC as hard and fast as they're able, while ICly screaming shitcurity, etc. Extended exploration of the situation below, in spoilers for length. I can provide a more complete log of my round up to that point of desired, as this is cut up into snippets. Monica Wentzel and Derrik Bolton start getting up to some shenanigans. They're doing some Tim Tebow-related religious lunacy, and I was ok with that for the most part, even when they messed up the mass driver fooling around and briefly vented the surrounding rooms. (This was partially my fault, Monica got herself stuck in the mass driver and I helped break it open to rescue her, and the predictable happened afterwards.) So then the Detective and I I come across Derrik and Monica trying to smash through the glass to robotics while Edward Greenwood shouted "Tim Teebo sucks!" The Detective, Cladius Mcullough, attempted to stop them before I did: the interior door was hit by the screwdriver. the interior door was hit by the screwdriver. Cladius Mccullough attempted to disarm Derrik Bolton! the interior door was hit by the screwdriver. Cladius Mccullough attempted to disarm Derrik Bolton! Edward Greenwood says, "Yeah" Derrik Bolton says, "Detective, this isn't your game." Edward Greenwood shouts, "Tim Teebo sucks!" Derrik Bolton shouts, "This is between me, and the cheesehead!" the interior door was hit by the emergency oxygen tank. Monica Wentzel screams!!! the interior door was hit by the emergency oxygen tank. the interior door was hit by the emergency oxygen tank. Edward Greenwood exclaims, "Mark Sancheese rules!" the interior door was hit by the emergency oxygen tank. the interior door was hit by the emergency oxygen tank. Cladius Mccullough [security] says, "Captain get down to research." Cladius Mccullough talks into the security radio headset Edward Greenwood says, "GO BIRDS." IAM blinds Derrik Bolton with the flash! Derrik Bolton shouts, "He's a piece of garbage!" Derrik Bolton says, "WHAT THE" I didn't actually arrest him yet, but this was immediately met with: Monica Wentzel [145.9] says, "ROGUE SECURITY" Edward Greenwood [145.9] asks, "Botanist? Where did you go?" Derrik Bolton [145.9] says, "ROGUE DETECTIVE" Edward Greenwood [145.9] yells, "Tim Teboo sucks!" Edward Greenwood [145.9] shouts, "Eat the turf, losers!" Ok. So far, only IC problems. They're being silly as hell. I tried to arrest Derrik Bolton, but Monica got in the way pretty heavily and Derrik started throwing foam grenades. So I set Monica arrest, and decide what to do about Derrik. Initially I figure, we'll give him 13 minutes for resisting arrest and trespassing. I decide it's not urgent, but Cladius is interested in dealing with them because it's the first anything we've gotten for a while. I eventually hear breaking glass while we're looking for the pair of them, and decide to go back to robotics. The window is broken, I figure that it's the Janitor (who stashed his ID in his bag and changed clothes) who did it. We catch up to him, and Beepsky grabs Monica because I'd set her arrest earlier. (I did not do so to Derrik at the time, and didn't return to the desk inbetween.) This unfolded: Officer Beepsky points at Monica Wentzel! Monica Wentzel has been stunned by Officer Beepsky! Cladius Mccullough asks, "What did you do?" Officer Beepsky is trying to put handcuffs on Monica Wentzel! Monica Wentzel stammers, "?? w-w-w-wh-hat-t is-s h-happ-pen-nin-n-ng-g her-re" Derrik Bolton asks, "How is she at a level 4 infract?" IAM says, "Let him go." Derrik Bolton says, "Wha the fuck iswrong with you guys" Cladius Mccullough asks, "How did you get a hatchet?" LOOC: Spooce: GOOD ROLEPLAY OFFICERS Monica Wentzel says, "Shitcurity on this vessel" Cladius Mccullough puts the hatchet into the leather satchel. IAM says, "As I said, let him go." LOOC: Spooce: How to play security: LOOC: Spooce: Flash and cuff everyone for no reason, abuse beepsky LOOC: Spooce: Beat the crew LOOC: Spooce: WIN? Derrik Bolton attempts to remove the handcuffs! IAM [145.9] says, "You know, I'd uncuff you if you'd stop." IAM says, "You know, I'd uncuff you if you'd stop." IAM is trying to unhandcuff Monica Wentzel! You put the handcuffs into the security satchel. IAM asks, "Why were you attempting to break in to robotics?" Arrivals Announcement Computer [145.9] says, "CAC, Roboticist, has arrived on the station." CAC [145.9] shouts, "'Ello!" Derrik Bolton attempts to remove the handcuffs! Derrik Bolton attempts to remove the handcuffs! Monica Wentzel is trying to put a screwdriver on Derrik Bolton IAM asks, "Any explanation at all?" Monica Wentzel is trying to unhandcuff Derrik Bolton! Derrik Bolton says, "For.." Monica Wentzel is trying to unhandcuff Derrik Bolton! The Starboard Primary Hallway Vent Pump #2 has been hit by IAM with the flash. Monica Wentzel is trying to unhandcuff Derrik Bolton! IAM blinds Monica Wentzel with the flash! You put the flash into the security belt. OOC: Sick trigger: why so laggy Monica Wentzel [145.9] says, "AI I need a mech to medbay" Monica Wentzel talks into the radio headset IAM says, "The last time we came up on you it was for attempting to break in to robotics." Derrik Bolton says, "No, I wasn't." Derrik Bolton says, "Ask the roboticist I was speaking with. We were talking sperts." Cladius Mccullough says, "You were stabbing the window with a screwdriver." Monica Wentzel is trying to unhandcuff Derrik Bolton! Derrik Bolton says, "I was carving "TEEBO RULES" into the glass." Monica Wentzel is trying to unhandcuff Derrik Bolton! IAM blinds Monica Wentzel with the flash! You put the flash into the security belt. IAM is trying to put some handcuffs on Monica Wentzel Monica Wentzel asks, "What are youi doing?" Derrik Bolton says, "Tim Turbo is the diety I worship." Derrik Bolton says, "Deity" Cladius Mccullough says, "You just tried releasing a suspect." Derrik Bolton asks, "A suspect of what?" Monica Wentzel says, "This isnt a suspect, there is not a reported crime" LOOC: Spooce: over some fuking broken glass guys??????? Monica Wentzel asks, "Have you any evidence to detain this man?" Cladius Mccullough asks, "We saw him trying to break in to robotics?" IAM says, "Vandalism, actually. But as long as you don't do it again I'm just going to let you go." Jacob Stahl [145.9] says, "Last call for your order Mr. Walker, then I'm sending it back to Central." CAC [145.9] shouts, "'Ere! I need an engineer to Robotics!" IAM is trying to unhandcuff Derrik Bolton! Monica Wentzel says, "We were having a religious debate with a roboticist" Trent Adams [145.9] says, "H On my way" Derrik Bolton says, "Okay, I won't do nothing again because what I orginally did was nothing, therefore I'll keep on doing the same thing, nothing." IAM is trying to unhandcuff Monica Wentzel! Mark Walker [145.9] says, "Ah" You put the handcuffs into the security belt. Trent Adams [145.9] says, "On my way" Derrik Bolton says, "I can't believe you're on the fucking pay roll." Monica Wentzel says, "He didnt call for security, so dont get involved" IAM says, "If you continue being simultaneously disrespectful while committing infractions against corporate regulation, I'm going to stop being kind." So ok, I think, it is in fact dead hour and mostly they're just being kinda silly. If they don't keep on, I'll let it go. Several moments later, they've broken back into Robotics... Monica Wentzel starts climbing onto the reinforced table! CAC has grabbed Derrik Bolton passively! CAC has grabbed Derrik Bolton aggressively (now hands)! Monica Wentzel climbs onto the reinforced table! CAC puts Derrik Bolton on the reinforced table. Derrik Bolton says, "Give 'em to me@" CAC blinds Monica Wentzel with the flash! *---------* This is Derrik Bolton! He is wearing a nun hood on his head. He is wearing a nun robe. He has a backpack on his back. He has some budget insulated gloves on his hands. He has a breath mask on his face. He has Green Glasses covering his eyes. He has a radio headset on his left ear. He has a tiny bruise on his head. Criminal status: [*Arrest*] Security records: [View] [Add comment] *---------* Derrik Bolton asks, "Where's the little puss?" IAM starts climbing onto the reinforced table! Cladius Mccullough starts climbing onto the reinforced table! IAM climbs onto the reinforced table! You step in the broken glass! CAC blinds Derrik Bolton with the flash! Derrik Bolton asks, "WHERE IS HE?" IAM is trying to put some handcuffs on Derrik Bolton IAM is trying to put some handcuffs on Derrik Bolton CAC shouts, "Stupid gits!" You put the flash into the security belt. Cladius Mccullough points to the interior door CAC blinds Monica Wentzel with the flash! Cladius Mccullough starts climbing onto the reinforced table! Cladius Mccullough climbs onto the reinforced table! IAM says, "Thank you." IAM asks, "What were they attempting to do?" *---------* This is Derrik Bolton! He is wearing a nun hood on his head. He is wearing a nun robe. He has a backpack on his back. He has some budget insulated gloves on his hands. He is handcuffed! He has a breath mask on his face. He has Green Glasses covering his eyes. He has a radio headset on his left ear. He has a tiny bruise on his head. Criminal status: [Parolled] Security records: [View] [Add comment] *---------* CAC says, "Dunno." Derrik Bolton exclaims, "I'm lookin' for green!" Derrik Bolton yells, "He badmouthed Tim Tebow!" You step in the broken glass! Cladius Mccullough has disarmed Monica Wentzel! Cladius Mccullough has disarmed Monica Wentzel! Cladius Mccullough has pushed Monica Wentzel! You put the taser gun into the security belt. Derrik Bolton attempts to remove the handcuffs! You put the handcuffs into the security belt. Cladius Mccullough has pushed Monica Wentzel! IAM blinds Monica Wentzel with the flash! You put the flash into the security belt. Derrik Bolton attempts to remove the handcuffs! Cladius Mccullough has thrown the crowbar. IAM is trying to put some handcuffs on Monica Wentzel IAM says, "Bring him." Cladius Mccullough asks, "Can we arrest these people now!?" IAM says, "Yes." LOOC: Reo neo cooper: retards OOC: Spooce: this server is great except for the security staff is always the worst people Robert McGrath [145.9] says, "Droppin them materials off at robotics." Robert McGrath talks into the supply radio headset Robert McGrath says, "Droppin them materials off at robotics." Sosuke Williamson [145.9] says, "Can i get security to the bar area.. I'm in handcuffs" OOC: SoapyCup: sshhh IAM [145.9] asks, "Why is that?" IAM asks, "Why is that?" *beep* Message from Jacob Stahl (Quartermaster), "do you want it or what" (Reply) Sosuke Williamson [145.9] says, "I-I passed out in thunderdome and w-woke up in handcuffs" IAM says, "Let's see. Trespassing, Vandalism, Resisting arrest." Monica Wentzel says, "Uncuff me so i can check my phone" CAC [145.9] says, "Where's that engineer? Ya' 'ave a lot of work ta' do." Cladius Mccullough says, "No." Monica Wentzel says, "Trespassing to resist unfounded arrest" Cladius Mccullough says, "You hit an officer." Sosuke Williamson [145.9] says, "I-it was the botanist" Monica Wentzel says, "You hit me 20 times with a flash contraption dont play the victim" Derrik Bolton says, "Piece of shit." LOOC: Aedan: Ok guys. Seriously. If you actually believe you're in the right here, I've literally let you go at least once. This is a Heavy RP server, your characters are behaving in a wildly inappropriate way. Sosuke Williamson [145.9] says, "I-I cannot open the doors" LOOC: Aedan: If you want to talk it out with the admins feel free, but please stop acting like we haven't been more than reasonable. LOOC: Spooce: Wildy inappropriate is you guys setting our infractions to max, and flashing the shit out of us without asking any questions LOOC: Aedan: These are minimum infraction times, max would be way more than that. LOOC: Spooce: Reasonable..you think a police officer rushes in and starts beating people when he sees 2 people having an arguement? They play mediators. IAM is trying to empty Derrik Bolton's pockets. LOOC: SoapyCup: If you have a problem, ahelp it. Don't argue here. IAM is trying to take off the the galoshes from Derrik Bolton's feet! IAM is trying to take off the the nun hood from Derrik Bolton's head! IAM is trying to take off the the budget insulated gloves from Derrik Bolton's hands! IAM is trying to take off the Green Glasses from Derrik Bolton's eyes! IAM is trying to take off the Green Glasses from Derrik Bolton's eyes! IAM is trying to take off a backpack from Derrik Bolton's back! LOOC: SoapyCup: Feel free to make a character complaint when the round is over. LOOC: Spooce: Fuck you, that's you just not wanting to admit you're wrong. Why would I get the admin involved when I could just take care of it at the lowest level? Cladius Mccullough is trying to empty Monica Wentzel's pockets. IAM is trying to take off a chaplain's jumpsuit from Derrik Bolton's body! Bruce Williamson [145.9] says, "Just break out of them and quite whining." IAM is trying to put an orange jumpsuit on Derrik Bolton LOOC: Spooce: I don't need to talk to an admin. You should just uninstall SS13 and go play uhhh I don't know, GMOD Sosuke Williamson [145.9] exclaims, "Y-you are m-mean!" IAM is trying to put some orange shoes on Derrik Bolton Cladius Mccullough is trying to take off a backpack from Monica Wentzel's back! IAM is trying to take off a nun robe from Derrik Bolton's body! LOOC: Reo neo cooper: all i saw is you walking in on a religious debate, then abusing your equipment to harass a poor janitor You put the binoculars into the backpack. Derrik Bolton is buckled in to the bed by IAM! Cladius Mccullough is trying to put an orange jumpsuit on Monica Wentzel The security satchel is full, make some space. The security satchel is full, make some space. Cladius Mccullough has been attacked in the head with orange jumpsuit by Cladius Mccullough! The security satchel is full, make some space. Monica Wentzel snores. You put the cable coil into the box. You put the binoculars into the security satchel. IAM is trying to unhandcuff Derrik Bolton! LOOC: Spooce: 18 minutes of real time? Fuck you I'm disconnecting. You'er ruining everyone's fun. Is it fun for you being this sexually frustrated? Derrik Bolton snores. According to the wiki, Resisting Arrest is 10 minutes, Trespassing is 3, Vandalism is 5. Maximum sentence for this is closer to 30 minutes, and neither were particularly cooperative. I don't really mind shenanigans, but I don't think these two really know how Aurora works as a server. I feel like, in all honesty, they were attempting to take advantage of my willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt to get away with as much as possible. But it's possible they're simply not accustomed to how Aurora works. (Or, alternatively, I am not accustomed to how Aurora has changed while I was away.) Approximate Date/Time: Around 2:40-3:00 AM CST on 8/23/2015.
Contextual Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Last I checked, disconnecting in order to avoid serving time warrants an immediate ban of some kind, no questions asked. Just throwing that out there. Or at least, it used to. Administration has been playing slow and loose with their stance on these things, from what I've seen.
Guest Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Last I checked, disconnecting in order to avoid serving time warrants an immediate ban of some kind, no questions asked. 1-3 days, same as suicide and logging out before an admin can contact them or loggin while talking to an admin.
EvilBrage Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I don't think we should be enforcing a rule stating people must remain logged in whenever security arrests them; I can understand an "I don't have time for this" sentiment, especially when it gets up there to 40+ minutes and the officers that arrested you have all gone SSD themselves anyways. This is a game, and if they don't want to put in the effort to make being imprisoned slightly more enjoyable than the norm, then fuck them. That said, these chucklefucks have obviously done enough to warrant some kind of punishment, but security is not the OOC police (as some players seem to forget) and disconnecting because you have better things to do with your time should not be punished with ban time - security needs a wake-up call to either be more interesting with detainees, or to suck it up when someone disconnects after being arrested.
Eliot Clef Posted August 24, 2015 Author Posted August 24, 2015 To be perfectly honest, I don't mind if people go SSD/disconnect through their brig time. What's the difference between doing that and simply tabbing out for the duration? For all practical purposes, none at all. I didn't support this sort of thing when Officers wanted them put in holding until they woke up to serve their sentence awake, and I don't really support it now. Also, these two didn't really give me the time to be more interesting than I was, which I'll admit 'wasn't very'. They spent a short while being really nasty, and then they went SSD. Once I'm done getting prisoners settled, unless there's some other task I need to engage in, I'll usually sit around and chat with prisoners. Basically though, I do agree with Brage. I'm not certain these two don't need a ban of some kind, but I'd rather it not be because they logged off under sentencing. If they're habitually horrible to people, that's a pretty good reason, but if people want to go do something else for a while while they're brigged, I'm totally OK with that.
Guest Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I'll open up a little more on what I said, it was not and has never been an instant ban offence. The only times people have been banned for logging for IC consequences were people who were just messing around all round or had already broken server rules and are unable to be contacted because we were contacted about it too late.
Tenenza Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 An Update on this: Neither player has played on the server since a few days after this incident happened, and as a result, both have been unavailable for comment.If and when they decide to play on our server again, they will be contacted regarding this and directed to address these concerns here.
Tenenza Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 An Update on this: Neither player has played on the server since a few days after this incident happened, and as a result, both have been unavailable for comment.If and when they decide to play on our server again, they will be contacted regarding this and directed to address these concerns here.
Eliot Clef Posted September 12, 2015 Author Posted September 12, 2015 Alright. Feel free to lock and archive this, then.
Eliot Clef Posted September 12, 2015 Author Posted September 12, 2015 Alright. Feel free to lock and archive this, then.
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