Re; Hall of Fame

[Guest]

Yet another unimportant post coming from me, but I think the following needs to be said about the current system of the Hall of Fame subforum.

Firstly, I can pretty much tell it's damage control virtue signalling on the part of the administration as some part of direct protest to my attempt at the opposite sort of concept, a hall of shame thread. Because as if a two-week ban was not enough to get the message across, evidently there was a community-side political necessity to bolster staff reputation while also trying to shout down and mock one of their more louder critics. It was very cute, very clever and a bit of a shame that I didn't think of it earlier. I mean, hey, not like I'm actually still around to engage in such things nowadays, right?

But let's say none of that is relevant or true in any respect right now, let's get down to brass tacks as to what the issues are with the Hall of Fame subforum as of now and how submissions fail to meet any guideline expectations of what would actually constitute as fameworthy.

1.) Submissions are not impressive

People exploding is not uncommon due to the prevalence of explosives in almost every facet of every department. Even an assistant can make a bomb, it's honestly not that difficult. People dying in the most hilarious, unlikely and borderline impossible ways would probably be deserving of a hall of "holy shit" entry, but perhaps not so much of an incident calling for someone to gain any level of recognition.

Okay, the space carp one was funny and jokes are nice once in awhile, but it's going a bit too far to make a hall of fame entry for it. As mentioned earlier, unless we're still ignoring that, the purpose of a hall of fame is to identify Above-And-Beyond conduct on-server and praise the high level of standards a certain player holds themselves to and thus producing interesting roleplay and gameplay for other people. "Space carp attacks escape shuttle in bluespace jump at the end of round and jokingly gets 'banned' by an admin for it" is not exactly what I'd really expect from a subforum called Hall of Fame. Don't we have an off-topic forum? Or a general discussion one? Open a funny moments/in-game pictures thread in general, or whatever. It'd be more suited there, right?

2.) Self-submissions are bad

There are 2-3 self-submitted Hall of Fame entries already. No, the system doesn't work like "Hey look what I did, aren't I special", the system is supposed to work like "Look at what this guy did, it was absolutely amazing and deserves to be remembered for as long as anyone can exist to remember it!"

But guidelines are hard to read in the fine print unless the person has something to gain from actually reading the fine print.

3.) Submissions do not indicate mechanical know-how, maturity, restraint, humility and the ability to apply these virtues to create good roleplay

Oh shit, I actually said it. I'm serious, though. Who deserves a Hall of Fame entry more, the one doctor who managed to save seven critical patients by themselves in a one-man medbay, or the traitor who dressed up as a clown and went about slipping people like they were an average clown on tgstation?

Again: the purpose of a hall of fame is to identify Above-And-Beyond conduct on-server and praise the high level of standards a certain player holds themselves to and thus producing interesting roleplay and gameplay for other people. To provide a shining example of what other players should strive for to seek their own fame and glory, right?

Right.

So what's with some of the low-effort submissions? You can actually look in the screenshots thread, some posts in there have a lot of background information attached to screenshots. Some of them are rather funny, others are absolutely amazing. There are other places in the forums too, specifically in general. The first few pages actually has an amazing display and effort of a funeral of a specific bald security officer who got griffed while SSD and then had their own send-off ceremony held for them. Anyone remember Astrodia? Pepperidge farm remembers.

I'm asking no one to replicate or top any other previous instance of certifiable nostalgic value, but it'd be nice if the more recent events that were acclaimed had some impressive merit to start with. It's Hall of Fame, not Hall of Meh.

[Garnascus]

The hall of fame was created solely by me. I alone hold the keys to that castle. As such nobody but me decides what is and is not acceptable to get entered into it. That sounds slightly tyrannical and it probably is. Its not just for good roleplay moments. Its also for hilarious unfortunate circumstances. CCIA graves killing CCIA lund in the shuttle accident is a prime example. It was awesome.

First things first i have been sitting on the idea for months. I wanted a place we can house extraordinary occurrences aboard the aurora (exodus?). Sure i wasnt happy with your "hall of shame" thread but to call it damage control is absurd. I would have no problem admitting it was made as a knee jerk response to your thread honestly. That was not the case though. I am however pretty happy you are interested enough to post feedback and criticism about it. I will attempt to offer rebuttals or my thoughts on each of your points.

Submissions are not impressive

I mostly agree with this one. I am still "feeling out" the barrier for entry but seeing as we now have quite a few apps sitting in limbo this can mostly be fixed with "garn get off your apps and take care of the shit you made". Which yes i need to do. Seeing as how i managed to threaten loow into handling whitelists with tish for me i have no excuse. As i said before though i am not only interested in good roleplay moments. those have a place as well dont get me wrong but i have always been of the mind that "this is a game" first and foremost. even for a heavy roleplay server.

Self Submissions are bad

This one i knew was going to be controversial. Originally when i made it i outright said no self submissions. I decided to change it with the clause that the barrier entry is much higher if you self-submit. I do not intend to create a toxic environment where people chucklefuck and meme on server and then post LELE LOOK HOW MEME I AM. I had a few people PM me about things they thought of submitting but couldn't since they where involved. On top of that it either requires someone ELSE to post it or you have to go around and ask someone to post it on your behalf, both situations are kind of awkward. So essentially i understand how this can be abused but i think ill be able to stomp people that try to pull the wool over on me.

This leads into your next point. Its mostly a quality check issue that i again need to get off my ass and fix. Again though, me being the overlord of the hall means i get to decide what is and is not hall of fame material. I do not really have a concrete idea as of yet. I can at least agree low effort meme trash is gonna get denied ( i dont even have a bin for denied apps yet jesus fuck im awful). Anyway thats the gist of the current situation. Thoughts?

[Guest]

The hall of fame was created solely by me. I alone hold the keys to that castle. As such nobody but me decides what is and is not acceptable to get entered into it. That sounds slightly tyrannical and it probably is. Its not just for good roleplay moments. Its also for hilarious unfortunate circumstances. CCIA graves killing CCIA lund in the shuttle accident is a prime example. It was awesome.

 

If it's your idea alone, then I can fault no one else for it, not that I am specifically blaming you of any wrongdoing, of course. It's a bit off-definition, from my point of view, to start including "funny moments compilation" sort of things into a Hall of Fame. I would honestly think that would go into its respective threads in terms of screenshots or in a funny moments thread.

 

First things first i have been sitting on the idea for months. I wanted a place we can house extraordinary occurrences aboard the aurora (exodus?). Sure i wasnt happy with your "hall of shame" thread but to call it damage control is absurd. I would have no problem admitting it was made as a knee jerk response to your thread honestly. That was not the case though. I am however pretty happy you are interested enough to post feedback and criticism about it. I will attempt to offer rebuttals or my thoughts on each of your points.

 

Reassuring, but, also not at the same time. The unfortunate timing of it sprouting up the way it did alongside me getting forumbanned for two weeks because I mildly irked someone who was already in an awful mood upon seeing it, makes me think it's a bit past coincidence to see a day or so later for it to pop up.

 

I mostly agree with this one. I am still "feeling out" the barrier for entry but seeing as we now have quite a few apps sitting in limbo this can mostly be fixed with "garn get off your apps and take care of the shit you made". Which yes i need to do. Seeing as how i managed to threaten loow into handling whitelists with tish for me i have no excuse. As i said before though i am not only interested in good roleplay moments. those have a place as well dont get me wrong but i have always been of the mind that "this is a game" first and foremost. even for a heavy roleplay server.

 

Maybe, but I would think that hall of fame material would be representative of some of the best of what Aurora offers, not just heavy RP. "Average self-insert snowflake buys station but then actually doesn't and dies" would not really make for an outstanding headliner.

 

This one i knew was going to be controversial. Originally when i made it i outright said no self submissions. I decided to change it with the clause that the barrier entry is much higher if you self-submit. I do not intend to create a toxic environment where people chucklefuck and meme on server and then post LELE LOOK HOW MEME I AM. I had a few people PM me about things they thought of submitting but couldn't since they where involved. On top of that it either requires someone ELSE to post it or you have to go around and ask someone to post it on your behalf, both situations are kind of awkward. So essentially i understand how this can be abused but i think ill be able to stomp people that try to pull the wool over on me.

 

It might be better for the integrity of Hall of Fame submissions that self-submissions aren't allowed, I'd think. There's too much bias in self-submissions and it's hard to justify "hey look at me im awesome" kind of threads.

Whenever you get around to it, etc. It may not be all that huge or important, but it's something, at least.