Absynth Posted October 12, 2016 Author Posted October 12, 2016 There's nothing in those rules that say I am forbidden from defending myself. This was an extreme case and my character's life was genuinely in danger. Not only that, it made complete sense for the character to do. I did not go hunting anyone, the explosion and attack was at my department. The antag was attacking me while I was in the middle of bomb making. What do you expect is going to happen? I have been whitelist-stripped before for just about the exact reasoning and very similar context relating to science powergaming and validhunting. So I know what I'm talking about. Somehow this does not surprise me. Again, for a situation you've admitted you weren't actually involved in, you seem to know a whole lot about how it happened. Ah, right, that's just you jumping in whenever you can, for no reason, just to be a troll. You still haven't countered any of my points. I had literally no other options, making the attack valid. Defend Catnip's ridiculous decision all you want, and grow as increasingly more frothy as you want, but it doesn't mean you're making any actual sense. I am permitted to defend myself as a last-case scenario. I am a bomb maker. As soon as I step on board, I am told to make bombs because we're being attacked. I dutifully get to Toxins and stay there all round. Suddenly I am being bombed in my own department. I get blown into space and critted out of nowhere. I wake up and I see a bomb, and dark ruins around me. I see a red hardsuited individual. There is no air to talk with. Nobody has attempted to RP with me. They immediately begin firing an ion gun. It's a choose your own adventure! TURN TO PAGE 12 TO SOMEHOW JUST GIVE THEM THE BOMB, AND GET BANNED FOR ANTAG HELPING, AND GOING AGAINST RP TURN TO PAGE 24 TO TRY TO HARD-CRIT YOUR WAY TO A NONEXISTENT DOOR, GETTING IONED WITH LIVE BOMBS ON THE FLOOR NEXT TO YOU TURN TO PAGE 37 To JUST FRIGGING PICK UP THE BOMB AND THROW IT AND HOPE FOR A GOD DAMN MIRACLE What would you do, 1138? I can't imagine literally any character I've played with decide not to throw it and just die instead. Still so many other questions unanswered, too. What about the sec officer who had a timer bomb? What about the antags who never RPed with me at all? What about the fact that I was clearly giving my bombs to other people to use, and not using myself, except one that literally slid out the breach with me? I don't know if this is some kind of weird vendetta you have or what, but it's getting old.
Guest Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 What would you do, 1138? I can't imagine literally any character I've played with decide not to throw it and just die instead. 1.) realize it's a video game and any level of frustration would not justify using a bomb as a "problem eraser" button and that I could be banned from the server if I broke rules regarding roleplay engagement regardless of existing circumstances 2.) realize my characters have senses of self-preservation and they also don't take killing people very lightly 3.) realize throwing a bomb at someone is absolutely stupid and serves no purpose in facilitating an escape because the bomb will kill the person throwing it too, and it simply isn't worth the risk Oh, I'm holding you to the standards that the rules require characters to adhere to by design. Well we can't have that. Either way, you elected to do whatever you wanted without communicating to anybody what you were doing. Pile that on with acting as abrasive as you are being in this thread and demanding others act as "just so" from your own perspective, demanding others' silence because you cannot stand to be told what you did was wrong, how you reacted after being punished was wrong, and how you're acting in this thread to get yourself unbanned from science roles is also wrong. What I wanna know is what you said to Catnip that got an admin to kick your ass out of the server for a day, really. The context of that would really bring to light about wtf is going on with your attitude. Anyway. Do you really think acting the way you are right now is going to get your job-ban lifted anytime soon? In fact, no one is even baiting you. You are baiting yourself into expressing your livid anger regarding getting job-banned from a 2d space man game, and lashing out and insulting real people who only wish to enhance others' experience and fun with the game. Be that way.
Absynth Posted October 12, 2016 Author Posted October 12, 2016 What would you do, 1138? I can't imagine literally any character I've played with decide not to throw it and just die instead. 1.) realize it's a video game and any level of frustration would not justify using a bomb as a "problem eraser" button and that I could be banned from the server if I broke rules regarding roleplay engagement regardless of existing circumstances 2.) realize my characters have senses of self-preservation and they also don't take killing people very lightly 3.) realize throwing a bomb at someone is absolutely stupid and serves no purpose in facilitating an escape because the bomb will kill the person throwing it too, and it simply isn't worth the risk Obviously if you've been punished for it, all of these are lies. If you really had a sense of self preservation you would try to deal with the person shooting ion guns at you as a vaurca. The antag is twice as close as the door to the department is, which is also unpowered and sealed off. Oh, I'm holding you to the standards that the rules require characters to adhere to by design. Well we can't have that. Either way, you elected to do whatever you wanted without communicating to anybody what you were doing. Pile that on with acting as abrasive as you are being in this thread and demanding others act as "just so" from your own perspective, demanding others' silence because you cannot stand to be told what you did was wrong, how you reacted after being punished was wrong, and how you're acting in this thread to get yourself unbanned from science roles is also wrong. Anyway. Do you really think acting the way you are right now is going to get your job-ban lifted anytime soon? In fact, no one is even baiting you. You are baiting yourself into expressing your livid anger regarding getting job-banned from a 2d space man game, and lashing out and insulting real people who only wish to enhance others' experience and fun with the game. Be that way. Yes, and if there's anyone who knows abrasive.. The rules don't direct the way my characters have to behave on a personal level. It doesn't determine that everyone in science must be a coward and everyone in sec must be brave. Learn to role play. It doesn't mean your JOB. Your ROLE is the CHARACTER you are playing. The character's actions and motivations. A job does not have motivations. It's a bunch of tasks you do. It doesn't make you brave or cowardly, it is a series of tasks you perform to make money. It's kind of sad that you need to learn this from me, but since you were punished with it before it's obvious you do, and haven't learned it. A species can determine your behavior. Your past history can determine your behavior. Your current situation can determine your behavior. Your mood can determine your behavior. For example: A warrior class vaurca who specializes in weaponry with a history of being attacked for no reason is blown into space with only a bomb, and an obvious hostile nearby. What behavior do you think is most likely to happen? As such I play out how my character is going to behave in a given situation. A character who was approved through the whitelist process for that job, caste, and department. So there's not actually anything in the rules that says it's forbidden to kill antags. It says it's preferred not to, yes, but not against the rules. IF POSSIBLE, try to flee. Being blown into space, with my department in pieces, no power, and the doors sealed, means it is not possible. I don't know how I can make it any clearer or what my other miracle options even were. You should talk to the player of Lukas Chapman and see what they think about it.
Guest Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 Oh my gosh you're lecturing me on how to roleplay. Well okay. I really have nothing to say to that, then, you clearly have won the debate so far. That is, if we're doing a show-off of e-peen. How about you get the people you're so intent on having been witnesses to actually respond for you?
Absynth Posted October 12, 2016 Author Posted October 12, 2016 Oh my gosh you're lecturing me on how to roleplay. Well okay. I really have nothing to say to that, then, you clearly have won the debate so far. That is, if we're doing a show-off of e-peen. How about you get the people you're so intent on having been witnesses to actually respond for you? Out of all that, that's all you took away from it? Really? Swoosh, there's the sound of it flying over your head. Run along, I'll wait until an actual admin comes and discusses this properly, such as looking at evidence instead of.. well, just jumping in and arguing like a child about something that doesn't concern you at all. Neither you nor Catnip were there, but both judge like you were without even considering alternatives. Kind of disappointing, but not unexpected. I was day banned because I thought Catnip was trolling me in game about getting punished for this. I said something like 'you have to be trolling me at this point' and Severis suddenly banned me. In the 15 years I've been playing this game, on the most hardcore of RP servers, I would never, ever have thought I'd see the day a scientist was banned for blowing up an antag in self defense. Literally the only time that it's even allowed.
Guest Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 Out of all that, that's all you took away from it? Really? Swoosh, there's the sound of it flying over your head. Run along, I'll wait until an actual admin comes and discusses this properly, such as looking at evidence instead of.. well, just jumping in and arguing like a child about something that doesn't concern you at all. Neither you nor Catnip were there, but both judge like you were without even considering alternatives. Kind of disappointing, but not unexpected. This is the edgiest and saltiest paragraph I've seen written and it's easily the most entertaining thread that I've encountered for awhile. This took such an amazing turn so far. I wonder if Apophis would've tolerated this level of salt from you were like this back on Colonial Marines. I mean, you were, actually, and that's why you got pressured to quit because everyone got tired of said attitude. You were daybanned for acting like a prick to the mod just doing their job, and I sincerely doubt you merely said that single sentence. I will repeat this a million times if I have to, because it's clearly not getting through. This is the exact thing the CM head staff warned me about when I was doing an investigation back when I was a mod there regarding a report of administration power abuse on you: Your attitude. You were easily the most volatile individual on staff and that's obviously not changed with you being a player here, but you clearly have less to lose here. In the 15 years I've been playing this game, on the most hardcore of RP servers, We're not Colonial Marines, Absynth, we do not have arbitrary draconian rulesets designed to punish and discipline at every twist and turn. That's reserved for people who do wrong and refuse to recognize when they do something off-board and lacking in rhyme or reason, and dismiss any kind of consideration for the !fun! of other individuals. Much less attempting to restrain yourself and control your attitude and temper in the face of adversity like an adult. 15 years? How? The first public release of SS13 was only in 2006 when people started playing it frequently...- Okay, you're lying/overexaggerating, or you don't know how to math. This changes... not a lot, from my POV, but this should at least display to everyone else how much of a totally 100% honest person you're being right now. I would never, ever have thought I'd see the day a scientist was banned for blowing up an antag in self defense. Literally the only time that it's even allowed. You are not new here. You are intentionally ignoring the established rules to, again, do whatever you want. Okay, my advice? Stop posting while pissed off. Take a breathalyzer, go for a run and take in some fresh air. Go punch the shit out of an inanimate object. Eat a snickers. You get edgy when you're hungry.
Absynth Posted October 12, 2016 Author Posted October 12, 2016 Colonial Marines Ah, here we go. The real reason you even bother writing any of this. You have some weird, obsessive vendetta against me that started on CM and it followed you here, that's okay. I had a great time coding for CM and I left amicably, none of what I've done there has anything to do with Aurora. 15 years? How? The first public release of SS13 was only in 2006 when people started playing it frequently...- I have no idea if you were around back then yourself, but pre-2008 you didn't have to register to play. I also had 3 seperate accounts. You are not new here. You are intentionally ignoring the established rules to, again, do whatever you want. Really. Which rule again did I break? The one that says try not to kill antags unless you have to? When I had to? Are you trying to tell me that nobody besides security is ever allowed defending themselves? I mean, it does make sense as to why the server's been 90% sec, 10% civilians for the past few weeks, but the self defense clause is in the rules for a reason and this situation was 100% self defense. It doesn't matter what the weapon was. I took out only a single antag (out of 4?) that was directly shooting at me with ions, at neglible extra damage to the station. However you want to spin it in your head, that's how it happened, and every log will agree with me. Does the fact that at least two of the mercs were moderators have something to do with it? And you're right, I am pissed off. I'm pissed off because Catnip obviously knows my favorite department is Science, so jobbanning me from it is effectively a perma ban, which is what the both of you wanted in the first place, for doing something that is both well within the rules and well within character. Punishing me for it makes those ulterior motives kind of more clear (like the CM hate).
Guest Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 Ah, here we go. The real reason you even bother writing any of this. You have some weird, obsessive vendetta against me that started on CM and it followed you here, that's okay. I had a great time coding for CM and I left amicably, none of what I've done there has anything to do with Aurora. No. You were such a terrible person to dozens of regular community members and you treated them with undeserved levels of spite and hatred. You conflicted with staff, shit-talked specific ones that disagreed with you in public with other players in OOC, stepped out of your lane of responsibility repeatedly and denying the chance for trial mods to prove themselves in order to be given a shot at what moderators did, and by god you were rude when you intercepted cases. You had to be told to stop and were even demoted from devmin to dev-mod for it. One year later you got your privileges back, only to screw it up again with your attitude. It has plenty of relevance here because you're expressing the same levels of hypocrisy, unjustified levels of anger right here in this thread. You have attacked server staff here personally in this thread, which is not the correct way to get your job-ban lifted. It shows that this pattern of awful behavior from you and constant lying stretches from all the way back from Colonial Marines to this thread. It is absolutely terrible for me to see that you had not changed. Does that mean you can be further punished for those actions? No, but it all the more justifies reinforcing this ban sticking at this point, for the sole purpose that you act like such a terrible person whenever something does not go your way. Really. Which rule again did I break? How about the rule that says "Roleplay a sane character"? How about the rule that says "Escalate conflict appropriately and with sanity"? How about the rule that says "Don't be a dick"? And you're right, I am pissed off. I'm pissed off because Catnip obviously knows my favorite department is Science, so jobbanning me from it is effectively a perma ban, which is what the both of you wanted in the first place, for doing something that is both well within the rules and well within character. Punishing me for it makes those ulterior motives kind of more clear (like the CM hate). You are outright accusing a moderator of carrying out a grudge against you, and you think that being jobbanned from a department automatically disqualifies you from playing the video game. And you know what, maybe you shouldn't have acted like a shithead to the moderator, and maybe you'd have an easier time getting this appealed, Absynth. This is beyond any level of ridiculousness I've ever encountered and I'm going to close it with that, you can have the last word at this point. You really have surpassed all expectations. You are genuinely an awe-inspiring person.
Absynth Posted October 12, 2016 Author Posted October 12, 2016 Blah blah you are a terrible person Okay. How about the rule that says "Roleplay a sane character"? Whitelisted and approved by people more important than you. How about the rule that says "Escalate conflict appropriately and with sanity"? Bombed and shot at in my own department with no RP and instant crit How about the rule that says "Don't be a dick"? Really? I'm pretty sure the people whose lives I saved with an extremely well-timed bomb don't think Ein was a dick. Blah blah shithead Okay.
TishinaStalker Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 Okay, you two have gone on for way too long now. Both of you are making yourselves look like children in how you argue back and forth. I'm closing this appeal on account of: 1) We do not remove day bans, ever unless it's a clear cut grave mistake. This isn't anywhere close to that. 2) Server ban expired. 3) If you want to appeal the science ban, try again because it's a separate ban. 4) Having a clean slate on a thread that isn't two pages of you two having some weird back-and-forth insulting each other would probably be better. Copy+paste your ban appeal for all I care.
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