Garnascus Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 a complaint which has been shown to be invalid. Unless you wish to further contest any of the points more? I am not handling it but you're entire argument has either been debunked or is just straight up a non-issue. Then when you discover that nobody is agreeing with your points you decide to bemoan the server climate and chalk it up to a problem with administration as a whole. tsk tsk tsk I will throw this by a few other staff members to be absolutely sure nobody has anything to add.
Araskael Posted November 8, 2016 Author Posted November 8, 2016 a complaint which has been shown to be invalid. Unless you wish to further contest any of the points more? I am not handling it but you're entire argument has either been debunked or is just straight up a non-issue. Then when you discover that nobody is agreeing with your points you decide to bemoan the server climate and chalk it up to a problem with administration as a whole. tsk tsk tsk I will throw this by a few other staff members to be absolutely sure nobody has anything to add. And you are treating me like I am a child who doesn't understand what I am saying, and simply crossing me off as simply salty or self-interested. You are being absolutely horrible right now and handling this poorly. None of you have addressed my points that I have made, and I cannot believe how rude you are being at the moment.
VileFault Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 Listen, I kinda get where you are coming from here. On servers that claim to be HRP, one can easily expect everyone they run into the want to have a full RP experience. But when it comes to the rules and abiding by them, the main idea you should probably keep in mind is "escalation of force." So, if it were a doctor running through maintenance stabbing people with lethal chemicals, we could say that their unfortunate prey shouldn't reasonably have expected to be murdered. Doing impactful things (like murder) arbitrarily to other people's characters is a bit questionable on a server dedicated (more or less) to the development of those characters. So in that sense, you are protected by the might of the banhammer to roam the server without unannounced murder under most circumstances. Your case here was a bit different. You had already made the choice to go after the AI, which is quite difficult mechanically. You had entered the upload, one of the most secure places on the station. With a hardsuit, and weapons. Now, our dear Garn could have chosen to indulge you here, but you were in the process of making it clear that you meant business. At a certain point, you have to realize that this is a game. With actual mechanics. We aren't some shitty WoW guild that has to emote all our deaths. That means that you have to learn to work within the mechanics to create your RP experiences. Sometimes people will be nice, and forgive you when you fail to use the mechanics in a way that facilitates roleplay. But that is very much there choice. We don't force people to put the actual game on hold. Within the boundaries of what is reasonable for their character, people are perfectly free to use the mechanics to their advantage. To force them to not take perfectly reasonable actions as their character would be nearly as limiting as allowing our overzealous doctor to screw with the crew. Huzzah for individual freedom! It seems like this whole thing has gotten a bit out of hand. There really isn't a vast admin conspiracy. I actually initially wanted to jump in on your behalf but I decided to wait for more information so as to avoid looking like an idiot (glad I did, frankly). The things Garn has been advancing are hardly a controversial position, and I encourage you to consider further the implications of a server where everyone was obligated to pause before taking reasonable actions to check if everyone was okay with it. I think you have somewhat unrealistic expectations regarding HRP. Though you may have thought a lot about what you like, extrapolate it to an entire server and your vision looks mighty fragile. I am not an admin, so when I say "we" it really means me.
Garnascus Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 What vile said, +1. Anyways i asked multiple staff in the staff discord for opinions and have been cleared to lock and archive this. datberry, sircatnip, and serveris all agreed this complaint has been sufficiently defended against. Locking and archiving.
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