[Denied] Banned for... leaving?

[listendudeiwannadie]

BYOND Key: Listendudeiwannadie

Total Ban Length: 7 days

Banning staff member's Key: pratepresidenten

Reason of Ban:

Reason for Appeal: I got banned for leaving. I wasn't warned twice about this, I was only warned twice actually about not using cryosleep before leaving, which is an understandable and reasonable rule that I unintentionally broke, and faced a reasonable punishment for. But this? I wasn't warned twice about "leaving at round start." Not only that, unlike the cryosleep warnings, I don't see a rule ANYWHERE in the server rules about this. I used cryosleep, and left. I think it's ridiculous I got banned for a week for leaving a server even though I respected the admins requests on what to do before leaving. Thing is though, I'm not even mostly concerned about the fact I got banned for a week for leaving, I'm more concerned that I received NO warnings not to leave as soon as the game starts (which would be a stupid rule if enforced), and that there is no way I'd know not to do this because it's not even in the server rules.

[Pratepresidenten]

Please use cryogenic sleep whenever possible: It'll free up the job slot for others. And please remember to store your gear in your office/work area before going to cryogenic sleep.

Quoted from the rules.

I really dont see how it is difficult to link these two together. You join with no intent to play and cryo/SSD immediately on roundstart, effectvely hogging the slot for someone that wanted to play the role at the start of the round.

Why do you even do it? Is it because you dont get antag? Because you found out immediately after the game started (Repeatedly) that you didnt want to play, despite having a good few minutes to decide during setup?

If you're unsure if you can stay the round due to tiredness, real life shit or w/e, dont ready up.

Its kind of a dick move towards others.

If the notes, warnings and bans below arent an eyeopener, hopefully this ban will be.

[listendudeiwannadie]

Please use cryogenic sleep whenever possible: It'll free up the job slot for others. And please remember to store your gear in your office/work area before going to cryogenic sleep.

Quoted from the rules.

I really dont see how it is difficult to link these two together. You join with no intent to play and cryo/SSD immediately on roundstart, effectvely hogging the slot for someone that wanted to play the role at the start of the round.

Why do you even do it? Is it because you dont get antag? Because you found out immediately after the game started (Repeatedly) that you didnt want to play, despite having a good few minutes to decide during setup?

If you're unsure if you can stay the round due to tiredness, real life shit or w/e, dont ready up.

Its kind of a dick move towards others.

If the notes, warnings and bans below arent an eyeopener, hopefully this ban will be.

 

While it may seem like I do it to get antag, I really don't care whether I get antag or not (despite enjoying it) because I'm actually awful at it, and can barely think of a gimmick. However I do notice I get it quite a lot, and when I do get it, I usually make an excuse not to go sleep or take a nap and say "fuck it I'll stick around i guess." It's more about being exhausted on why I leave on startup, but there are rounds I will stay when I'm not antag. Believe me, I'm not THAT concerned about getting antag, despite enjoying it.

Regardless, the SSD and not using cryosleep thing are understandable because they're in the rules for my eyes to see, and I got multiple warnings about it. Okay, understandable punishment; However, for something that isn't listed in the rules, or for something that I wasn't really warned about (I see Sebkillers warning but I was never notified about that, so i never really saw it, at least i dont think. Why don't warnings notify you when you get new ones?), how do you expect me to know to not do that? An admin could've just simply PM'd me saying "hey, fuckhead, stop leaving on roundstart, ur causing this, this, and this. consider doing this instead.", and that would've been more of an indicator than these warnings and notes on me.

The rule you stated has nothing to do with this. It has to do with cryogenic sleep, which is another fiasco I faced a ban for. Where do you see listed "Also, don't just join at roundstart to try and get this or to do this, or don't just join then instantly leave (which is a stupid rule imo but if you wanna enforce it, enforce it.) because it does this, this, and this for other people and for us." I don't see it at all? I just see "Use cryogenic sleep whenever possible, it frees up the job slot for others." and I'm pretty sure I used cryogenic sleep, and already faced a punishment for not using it, did I not? If this is supposed to be some sort of "implicit/unlisted rule" then I clearly didn't get the implication I guess, and I'm sure many others who left at roundstart didn't either.

I'm not here to argue with you however, I gave my opinion. If you really think banning people for using cryo at roundstart will teach anything despite it not even being in the rules, then shit, keep the ban. Who am I to argue? Only 3 more days left regardless, so there is no point in getting into a giant argument about it. Point is though how do you expect someone who is relatively new to SS13 (me) to just magically know something that isn't listed inside the rules? No other server has a problem with this (inb4 then go to that other server instead), and this has never been a problem in the past on Aurora, but it's just suddenly coming up? Aurora is an amazing SS13 server, possibly one of the top 3 even, but if this is really such a big issue: Put it in the rules. Simple as that. That way, nobody has an excuse for doing this, and you can enforce it. Then we'll see who is really at fault here for somebody who is getting banned for something that isn't listed in the rules VS. something that someone didn't know was a rule.

[Pratepresidenten]

Thing is, the issue here isnt going to cryo at roundstart once in a while, because sometimes we misjudge what time it was, or how tired we were, despite having some time to feel it over during setup.

The issue here is that you've done so frequently that its been noticed by multiple people. We really dont have a lot of cases regarding frequent roundstart cryos, so the few cases we do notice stick out. And you seem to have racked up a lot of talks and warnings over the two matters. You've probably shaped up on your impromptu SSDing and such, but the running to cryo on roundstart remained.

Its kinda shitty towards your fellow players. Say you ready up for a limited job, like borg, security or robotics. You win the slot, and someone else gets left out. They get forced to play something else, and when they join, your cryo message pops off, and they get frustrated, sad, angry or whatever.

Do you see my point here?

[listendudeiwannadie]

Thing is, the issue here isnt going to cryo at roundstart once in a while, because sometimes we misjudge what time it was, or how tired we were, despite having some time to feel it over during setup.

The issue here is that you've done so frequently that its been noticed by multiple people. We really dont have a lot of cases regarding frequent roundstart cryos, so the few cases we do notice stick out. And you seem to have racked up a lot of talks and warnings over the two matters. You've probably shaped up on your impromptu SSDing and such, but the running to cryo on roundstart remained.

Its kinda shitty towards your fellow players. Say you ready up for a limited job, like borg, security or robotics. You win the slot, and someone else gets left out. They get forced to play something else, and when they join, your cryo message pops off, and they get frustrated, sad, angry or whatever.

Do you see my point here?

 

I do see your point and completely understand where you are coming from, but I also do believe me saying "If I wasn't informed, I can't really know" still stands. If it was just put like that through an Admin PM instead of a ban, it would've had a bigger impact on me and it would've been a much easier and simpler explanation. Regardless, I do indeed understand where you come from, and I'll try to keep the leaving on roundstarts to a minimum. I'll make sure to at least stick around for thirty minutes and get something set up such as the supermatter engine or do something productive if I do indeed change my mind because I mostly play engineer. However, I am sorry for doing this because I didn't think it'd be such a big deal.

[Pratepresidenten]

Alrighty. Seeing as this ban expires tomorrow, Ill be denying this ban appeal.

Hope to see you then my man.