Wolfwood88

Want to state my bias here since I main Nicholas Nelond. Him and Astor Shaner are BFF's, but I like to believe our characters are BFF's because CanadianDollar excels at understanding the game mechanics, and providing interesting, and engaging roleplay. If more players understood that the game is about weaving a narrative, and knew the mechanics behind the game to help progress the story like CanadianDollar does, the server would never have a shortage of interesting roleplay. +1

Yeah, there was some miscommunication, it's alright these things happen. I wasn't even aware at the time that you though I may be potentially trying to abuse the spawn system to circumvent my suspension, since that wasn't my intent, it hadn't really occurred to me, so I think we were just coming at this from two different points of view, and because I was already frustrated about the silly nature of the incident, it got escalated to this level. You specify that I was suspended from Medical doctor only, and that's where the confusion came from, so I am confused now; Is there another type of suspension that IncognitoJesus could have specified that would have actually resulted in me having to be kept off station that shift? I am just asking for clarification, I don't want to re open the issue, I consider it closed and well handled and appreciate all of the responses.

The patient was not asked about the full arm replacement in front of the Chief Medical Officer. I got there when the patient, Shaner, and Nelond were headed towards the operating room. As for the allegations of there was a suspension without any sort of investigation, let me make this clear: the suspension was for the duration of the shift. It is within a head of staff's jurisdiction to suspend employees under their rule at their discretion with the support of the Captain. The Captain, Auralia, approved said suspension. Do you want to know how you would know? Because they were the one who modified your ID and saw your character throw said ID at mine. They approved it once I said why I was doing it. There is no need for a full blown investigation into events that transpired during the round, within the department, and in full view of the head of staff. Just like how your supervisor doesn't need to get HR involved to tell you to go home after you mess something up. With that being said, let's move onto the whole coming back from cryo situation. When you decided to join back after I cryo'd, you joined as a medical doctor, the same exact job with the same ID as you did before you were suspended. You were given a suspended ID, and therefore abused the mechanics of the game in order to get your access and job position back. That's why you weren't allowed to come back, because there is no safety net in-game to give you a suspended ID. In fact, the company wouldn't revive you from cryogenic storage during the same shift you were suspended in because you literally have no purpose aboard the station at the time. If you didn't want to deal with this situation, you shouldn't have gone to cryo immediately after being suspended and telling your friends about it. If you had stayed aboard after your suspension, you would not have been brigged, as your character had not broken any regulation besides maybe battery because you threw the ID (which wasn't reported). That was a misunderstanding, and should have been brought up. Oh, and to add, you weren't suspended for telling me that I was incompetent. You were suspended for performing what ICly would be a risky operation. You turned a prosthetic addition into an invasive and traumatic operation. Additionally, I did not perform the operation, Shaner did, Once again we received approval, you were told that at the time and after the fact, I know the captain changed my ID, I was dissapointed in the fact he asked no questions about any of the charges, and lastly once again I am not complaining about the suspension but how it was enforced, I have said all I have to say on the matter, my intentions and actions are made very clear in the logs I have provided, if you believe I was trying to circumvent game mechanics, look at the logs, I was fully willing to cooperate to maintain the round IC and canon. This potentially could have all been avoided if I had just been told to go to the HoP office to get my ID rectified again.

You were in the observation room, at the time before we started the surgery. And Like I said, I was willing to comply again with an ID change to reflect my suspension and not practice medicine that shift, I made that abundantly clear in the chat logs. I was willing to remain suspended, appeal, etc. whatever was necessary to maintain the canon of the round. *Edit: Additionally I left my ID on the medbay lobby desk, and made it abundantly clear I was not going to practice medicine. A simple ID change at the HoPs by command staff to visitor, or suspension again would have worked, and I was willing to do those. I was not trying to circumvent game mechanics in any way.

The patient was not asked about the full arm replacement in front of the Chief Medical Officer. I got there when the patient, Shaner, and Nelond were headed towards the operating room. As for the allegations of there was a suspension without any sort of investigation, let me make this clear: the suspension was for the duration of the shift. It is within a head of staff's jurisdiction to suspend employees under their rule at their discretion with the support of the Captain. The Captain, Auralia, approved said suspension. Do you want to know how you would know? Because they were the one who modified your ID and saw your character throw said ID at mine. They approved it once I said why I was doing it. There is no need for a full blown investigation into events that transpired during the round, within the department, and in full view of the head of staff. Just like how your supervisor doesn't need to get HR involved to tell you to go home after you mess something up. With that being said, let's move onto the whole coming back from cryo situation. When you decided to join back after I cryo'd, you joined as a medical doctor, the same exact job with the same ID as you did before you were suspended. You were given a suspended ID, and therefore abused the mechanics of the game in order to get your access and job position back. That's why you weren't allowed to come back, because there is no safety net in-game to give you a suspended ID. In fact, the company wouldn't revive you from cryogenic storage during the same shift you were suspended in because you literally have no purpose aboard the station at the time. If you didn't want to deal with this situation, you shouldn't have gone to cryo immediately after being suspended and telling your friends about it. If you had stayed aboard after your suspension, you would not have been brigged, as your character had not broken any regulation besides maybe battery because you threw the ID (which wasn't reported). That was a misunderstanding, and should have been brought up. Oh, and to add, you weren't suspended for telling me that I was incompetent. You were suspended for performing what ICly would be a risky operation. You turned a prosthetic addition into an invasive and traumatic operation. We had received patient permission right in front of you, and you were told after the surgery that we had received consent and that is what the patient had requested. Also if you look at the logs I was more then willing to change my ID to comply with the suspension but being forced to be kicked off the station IS NOT part of a suspension.

I was not aware of that ICly or OOCly. Also, to provide more information on what UnknownMurder was saying. I directed the player of Ishikawa to UM to log the warning, that was a mistake on my part because it was late where I was and for some reason thought they were talking about logging Head of Staff reports on Security. I think we cleared that up in the staff discord after the round though. The CMO was still welcome to file an Incident Report on the Surgeon if they felt it necessary. After that, there would be a full investigation opened if the CCIA deemed it valid. I do not blame you for the suspension since I intended to go straight to cryo and did not very much push for an appeal, I was just disappointed with how easily it happened and under the circumstances I essentially was suspended for doing my job properly but telling the CMO he was being incompetent. *Edit: But once again my complaint is not about my suspension but how it was enforced by the admins

Also, even though I greatly disagree with the reasons why I was suspended, that is not what the complaint is about, it is the fact I was told I needed to leave the station and could not be on the station as Nicholas Nelond

This was two hours after my initial suspension if that is relevant also.

BYOND Key:Wolfwoode Staff BYOND Key:NursieKitty Game ID:(Unsure, Night of 8/7/18- Morning 8/8/16) Reason for complaint:I returned after being suspended, I had gone in to cryo when I was suspended, when I returned from cryo I was told that I could not appeal my suspension and that my presence was not even allowed on the station. To the best of my knowledge this is not how suspension is enforced. Evidence/logs/etc: Here is where I explain that I left in cryo and returned in the same manner. I was allowed to stay on station after my suspension initially, so I fail to see how I was not allowed to return. Here I explain that I understand my job suspension stands, and that I am not allowed to be a doctor currently, but I am informed I am not allowed to be on the station at all. Here I show that I understand that my suspension is an IC issue, and that with the captain inactive, the CMO gone, I ask if the only remaining command staff, the CE would be able to lift my suspension, as per the chain of command. I am told that it doesn't matter, that apparently suspensions can not be lifted and mean I am not supposed to be present on the station. Here I am being told that I was not suspended from my job.. but from the shift entirely. I had never heard of a suspension being enforced that way. Also, I would like to add, although it is only mildly relevant, I was suspended without an investigation, and for erroneous reasons. So essentially.. this opens up the capability for a head of staff to ban one character from a shift entirely without a check system according to NursieKitty's understanding of the suspension system. Lastly, I asked for clarification of what would happen if I had stayed, and I am told that I would have been brigged. This was just a job suspension, there was no criminal activity, I have never seen a normal job suspension enforced by perma brigging, or forced cryo. When I asked for further clarification I received no more responses, this is where the chat ends. Additional remarks: To the best of my knowledge the suspension system was not only very poorly used in this instance but incorrectly enforced. I was forced to sit out of a three hour round with the only character I play because of this, and it was very upsetting. If I am completing misunderstanding the suspension system please correct me, but if this is how the system stands currently it is ripe for abuse and needs to be rectified.

He should still not be inserting himself where he doesn't belong and interrupting other people's RP. There's no excuse for that, him working, acting , talking and yelling in departments he does not belong genuinely ruins roleplay for other players. Maybe some people didn't want to have to overcome Cadmus's personality through roleplay for the 6th time in the same round in a department he is not supposed to be in to begin with. Him coming in to medical and yelling at the cloned HoS that he got decapitated is a clear example of him doing this.

Wasn't that the round where the CMO was incapacitated from the AI turrets and the medical doctor dead from an EMP? Essentially the entirety of medical, with no one to treat them or others who were hurt, incapacitated? Thats still not an excuse to use knowledge outside your domain of information. Its powergaming pure and simple. The point of those situations is to use alternative, do a module reset, call a medical ERT (which almost never happens), have a captain of HoS make a personnel change so somebody can administer dylovene, have the bar or xenoflora make a plant or drink that counteracts toxin damage, eat a donk pocket.... etc.

I posted four specific examples, stated others in my initial report, and stated more directly in response to all of Veradox's points. I also spoke to his general character and behavior which some have attested to in this thread already. If that is not sufficient then I do not know what is, that is nearly half a dozen examples.. a broad character overview, and already some additional opinions of others. I do not want to get involved to the point of archiving all of Cadmus' activities, and I do not simply have the time or desire to. I feel I have provided enough feedback, information and evidence, so hopefully the community can provide more if ALL of that is not sufficient for you. If you haven't read my responses to find other examples, there is nothing I can do. Since Veradox left a large wall of text, and I initiated this complaint, I took the time to read it and respond, and provide more feedback, please read that if you want more details, that is all I am able to provide on my own, and I feel it is fairly substantial.

Oh I remember this, I believe that admins were putting him in to crit and I was actually there frantically trying to save him... and then all the sudden.. boom...and I had NO IDEA what happened, and was laughing my ass off, I was thinking "Was it an implant... was it his prosthetic exploding and something else just went really wrong?" . Was definitely a great moment.

Having to come to appeal to you to be avoided by your character should not be necessary. Also how do you plan to do that with your constant SHOUTING banter over general comms? Some people getting "the shit end of the stick" as you say is not really acceptable. I have had other characters that did things I did not like IC, but they made sense and still followed guidelines to what would be good RP IC, and thats what makes it acceptable. I feel that you overstepping your bounds, and the amount of "Brusque" and insensitive comments go way beyond the lines of what would be appropriate by any metric for good RP. "Cadmus is a character is designed to play the role of being an intelligent but brusque" That is certainly not the feeling I get from Cadmus, he is certainly good at his job, cursing every three seconds does not portray intellect, so if that is what you are aiming for, your character may need revision. If having to understand your characters background is necessary for this kind of behavior (For which I still think this character goes beyond what is acceptable anyway) Then that is a poor excuse, because new players or players who are not familiar with Cadmus have to deal with all of his actions consistently. There are no IC or OOC reasons why your character as a borg should be allowed to have this kind of behavior... and having your own IC or OOC reasons for it does not justify it. I don't feel you have hit the character you are aiming for or describe, and I don't feel what you have now creates an enjoyable RP atmosphere for most involved. The point of this game, is to have fun, and your character being so vocal means other players can not avoid your behavior, even as by request as you stated. I am not saying characters can't be brusque or off-putting or generally a jerk, but not to this extreme, not while also powergaming, and not while also inserting themselves in roles and places they don't belong.

7. Abiding by your law set does not mean you are not overstepping your bounds. Yes you are Serving, but you are serving in ways you are not supposed to. Having to say get out Cadmus each and every time you do something that is not appropriate should NOT be necessary, you should know how to act. 8. It isn't that I could not have used the cloner, I was indeed very busy doing nearly 60% of the work, it is that, you did not belong there, did not ask permission, and should not know how to do that as a borg, which seem to be the central themes of a lot of your actions. You are too busy being "Brusque" to act in the game the way you should, or stick to responsibilities that belong to you.

5. I would believe your points about chemistry, but you often do it as the VERY beginning of a round, when no medical staff or chemists have had a chance to join, if you would wait even half an hour, or as others have pointed out until you are requested, taking on this responsibility that does not belong to you may not have such a large impact. And like I stated in another post, part of the IC fun of this game is dealing with the IC challenges of not having a fully staffed, or fully stocked chemistry department, that is why there are multiple ways to treat, stabilize, and deal with some conditions. 6. Just because your jokes do not carry on to the canon of the next round do not mean they don't ruin the atmosphere of the current round. I should not have to take issue IC in game with each aspect of your actions that I do not dislike, especially since they are numerous and very egregious. It should not be my job IC in game to police your RP every time you do something I don't like when you are ALREADY somewhere you don't belong, you should have control enough to be where you belong, and stay within the bounds of what is acceptable for your character to know, and within someone degree act how your character is suspected to act. If a new player came on to this game today and saw Cadmus over general comms, they would not expect that behavior is coming from a slaved synthetic with a lawset.

3. I don't take issue with you calling medical, that was the right thing to do. I take issue that every time you refer to us, it is as "You fucks" or "Assholes". Mild quirkiness is okay, constant berating is not acceptable behavior for any borg character. 4. It is not up to you to decide how RP should be handled in a department you dont belong to with a responsibility that is not yours, I am upset not only that you interjected where you didn't belong, but you felt that this response was appropriate. If you want to make these kind of jokes that is what LOOC and OOC are for, to appreciate the hilarity and the meta of a situation, to make it a constant theme of your character is not ok .

1. Us stating that he flashed us and was actively kidnapping the HoS, and you ignored that detail, decided to insult us over comms, clearly knowing something was wrong, and you shrug it off as "Picking up his boss?" I don't see how this is remotely possible. 2. If you want banter that is fine, using excessive profanity, all caps, and stating it over General comms for over half an hour is not

To respond to some of the points of your post, I understand that it can be frustrating to have poor chemists, or no chemists at all, when some medicines seem critical, and I understand how frustrating it can be to not have a stocked fridge playing medical very frequently myself. Also I understand borgs have been outfitted with tools to help in chemical synthesis, and research should be somewhat familiar with chemistry at least from a research aspect, but not medicine. I have seen chemists come in to the game, see the fridge fully stocked, and go in to cryo. Also, isn't having to deal with the IC problems of not having medicine supposed to be part of the game? Just like if engineering was understaffed and couldn't fix breaches, lighting, or power problems, Medical not having a chemist means we need to either resort to surgery, or use temporary fixes like splits or painkillers, or give dylovene until radiation wears off instead of hyronalin or artithrazine. Having someone come in and just make ALL the necessary chemicals removes the chance not only for other chemists to work the job but for us to have those IC moments of "Oh crap.. we don't have this.. what do we do". Additionally, I can maybe understand research being somewhat familiar with genetics, but they are not a medical borg nor a construction borg. They should not know how to build the appropriate parts from an autolathe and protolathe, and tell someone how to set it up. And they should NOT do construction in a department they don't belong to when it was NOT requested, or approved. If you want to do special projects that is fine, that is especially good when the game mode is extended, but when you are power gaming like this in an antag round without any semblence of trying to maintain what you can do and know IC and what permissions you need IC that is not okay. Also, as for additional complaints... this is what I logged in half an hour, there are countless other examples but I felt it excessive, Cadmus has pranked me on my PDA, sent vulgar messages to me about my Dick on my PDA, and just harassed me several rounds, and I even let all of that slide but now he is spamming common chat with his character. I encourage anyone else to list times when they felt Cadmus overstepped his bounds as both what his character is capable of, and the quality and unnecessary interjection of his character's RP.

BYOND Key: Wolfwoode (Nicholas Nelond) Player Byond Key:Veradox (Cadmus) Staff involved: none Reason for complaint: Cadmus's constant yelling over comms, cursing at and berating other players, and excessive powergaming is really starting to ruin the atmosphere of the game, and the way rounds are supposed to function in my opinion Approximate Date/Time: 7/9/16, Approximately 10pm EST (I believe) Over the past few days, he has gotten extremely excessive in the amount of unnecessary profanity and shouting over general comms, and no matter how much "quirkiness" androids, robots, or other synthetics are supposed to have, he just plain is not acting remotely like a synthetic at this point. I did not mind as much when it did not directly involve me, but now Cadmus is basically making himself unavoidable between his unnecessary overuse and shouting over general comms, and his powergaming and inserting himself in to departments where he doesn't belong. Here are some of the things I took from general comms and my local chat within a period of only approximately a half hour. Cadmus was a research bot this round, I was trying to use general comms to alert security of an incident in medical, Cadmus was involved in no way, if he wanted to make a comment since it was announced over general comms fine, but I hardly find this appropriate. Here is just an example of Cadmus and his bot Mini Cadmus constantly filling the general comms with shouting.. this went on for long periods of time and filled the comms so much if was almost difficult to talk to other players using it because of the constant influx of shouting messages. Here is Cadmus using general comms semi appropriately to call for medical assistance, although its cute when Cadmus occasionally refers to you by an obscenity, but literally every interaction I have with him now I am called a fuck.. or an asshole... or something else of that nature. Every.. single.. interaction. This is after an incident where the HoS was killed and cloned, remember Cadmus is a research borg, he has no reason to be in medical, and absolutely NO reason to be talking to my patients for any reason at all. He happened to be in the area because he was installing an unrequested, unapproved, second cloning pod because "Shit was getting lit" I believe is what he said, which also partly speaks to the powergaming issue I mentioned before. So, he decided to insert himself in to my interaction with the HoS and act in this manner, once again because he just felt like it. This was all in the course of half an hour.. maybe forty minutes, I could capture many more incidents, but I feel like everyone is familiar enough with Cadmus that they are aware of the behavior that I am talking about. Bot quirkiness is one thing.. this is a whole different level. I had him literally insert himself in to RP moments he wasn't supposed to be involved in nearly half a dozen times within the course of an hour. I have seen him do chemistries entire job, as a research borg, at the start of a round, discouraging any new chemists from joining. Cadmus wants to be everywhere, and do everything, and if you tell him otherwise, he will just curse you out and at this point it is way beyond I believe what is an acceptable way for a synthetic to act. *If I submitted or formatted anything wrong please let me know, I do not have a lot of experience using the forums

Name:Nicholas Nelond Age:25 Occupation:Medical Doctor Why do you wish to join:I see a lot of my peers who I know to have exceptional work ethics and be staff members of conviction and integrity that are a part of this group. Additionally I feel I have enough experience to be able to contribute to this group, and also have this be a great opportunity to learn from the experience of others.