[Ask a mod/admin!]

Are there rules about targeting the engine>

Joboy tells me yes. But i've seen three delaminations in two days, so it doesn't seem like that's true.

 

Against the singularity engine yes. Not entirely sure about the SM

[QUESTION: Funniest Character Name]

Hue Man

[Announcement: New Map Memorandum]

I'd prefer the SM at this point. No need to change the engine yet again

[Make stealth drop on the heister hardsuit when attacking.]

I'm just going to note that the stealth module drains the cell at 100 energy a second. So this is really only an issue when admins use it for stealth events.

[Job Minimum Requirements list is confusing and incomplete]

What do the Level 1 and level 2 variants of the same job mean?

 

They're differing levels of pay within the same job. They'd depend on how much experience as a whole you have in that field, and specifically how long you've worked for NT

[Are medics bound by the Hippocratic Oath, or similar?]

Reading over this a couple more times, it actually seems quite empty. Most of these could just be summarised as "I will do my job", The only particularly ethical thing is the part about policies breaching human rights. It seems extremely odd that NT would have that in a pledge, they're known for abusing their workers

 

1. Wrong board, moving this to the lore questions thread as this is a question regarding lore.

2. The oath Xander quoted (afaik) is from baystation 12 and is not 100% ICly binding. It may or may not even exist in our lore. So until a member of the lore team confirms it, there's really no point in critiquing an oath that doesn't apply to us.

[Minor Complaint: Skull Re Server Visibility]

i'm not comfortable with the server being set invisible without some advance notice, and REALLY not comfortable with people not being given instructions on how to connect before it happens. Sure those instructions are on the wiki, but i was playing for over a week before i knew we even had a wiki.

 

Yeah. There's always been a join link on the forums which is pretty visible. It's literally right at the top, you have to scroll right past it to get to anything

[How do you roleplay across sessions?]

OKAY

So.

Any extended round and everything in it (non-event) can be remembered as "Canon" to your characters.

Any non-antag interaction in an Antag round can be remembered as "Canon" to your character. I.E. If Bob the antag tells you he kills people for a living you CANNOT remember that, but if you have a conversation with Sally the doctor in that same round that involves cookies and other non-antag things you CAN remember that

Beside that, there are special "Canon" rounds where EVERYTHING in them is canon including antag actions. These make actual differences in the universe and will affect the lore.

[[Answered] Tajaran Sexuality Views Flipped]

While it might be unfortunate for some players. The "Homosexuality is openly accepted by everyone. No one has a problem with it" thing just kinda seemed forced. It really just didn't fit with the traditionalism of the Tajaran (Though ik there's been a recent surge of pseudo-communism kinda) and I honestly just think it added to the "Fucking Furries" thing that some people have against Tajarans.

But yeah, we've established that most Tajarans on the station aren't exactly traditional. So I doubt this will actually affect much ICly.

Also I'm editing the title to better fit the thing being discussed

[Repairing a hull breach, and construction questions]

How do you fix them?

The second thing is grilles=

 

https://wiki.baystation12.net/Guide_to_Construction

 

Then there's windows.

 

Cut the grille, step into the hole, create a window with a sheet of glass, create a grille with rods, step out of the hole, rotate the glass to cover the gap and then screw/crowbar it into place.

[Seon-Rin Von Illdenberg returns...]

One you write too many words, I might just be missing the point.

 

That's not an appropriate response to your own appeal at all. If you are incapable of understanding staff responses to your appeal, there's no point in appealing.

 

Two I rather show you her rather than write about her (Also including I cannot log into records)

 

This is not how appeals work. You don't get this appeal accepted and THEN show us that you've met the conditions for the appeal to be accepted. You have to display adequate evidence that you have improved

 

Three You're not a geneticist

 

This is a fallacious and childish response to legitimate critique. While I am NOT a geneticist, nor have I ever claimed to be such, I do have a adequate grasp of genetics due to my personal experience with hereditary medical conditions. Huntington's disease for instance (A serious terminal illness) is caused by a SINGLE genetic defect. This is a disease that utterly destroys your nervous system, and it takes but ONE gene being defective. So, spicing in thousands upon thousands of genes. Yeah, that's going to get bad reaaaaal quick.

 

Four you did bash me daily about my flavour.

 

There is a meaningful difference between "Bashing" and critiquing. Bashing would be me going "YOU FUCKING SUCK". Critiquing is me telling you that your flavor text is flawed in a polite manner, which I honestly believe I have done.

 

Six Genetic experiment is her thing, It'll be less like her if she was not genetically morbid.

 

It's at this point that I am rejecting this appeal. I have told you that this is something that directly conflicts with established lore and the style of the universe, I have suggested how you might change Seon to still integrate some measure of genetic modification and you have stubbornly refused. The Aurora Universe will not be altered simply to allow you to create a character of unreasonable, unbelievable genetic modification.

Appeal Denied.

[Seon-Rin Von Illdenberg returns...]

The feedback from the players are just saying, don't bring her back and that's all

 

Below is an an EXTENSIVE list of player's suggestions, which really. Go far beyond "Don't bring her back". The suggestion "Don't bring her back" is likely rooted in your complete apathy for reforming Seon. Honestly, you are becoming intensely frustrating to me as you claim to be improving Seon/your other characters, while simultaneously refusing to alter them in any way, shape or form.

 

I sort of like her; but she needs to tone her behaviour right the hell down, and start acting like she would have been hired to begin with.

 

I'll honestly admit that I find the flavor text horrifyingly detailed. I may be a basement dweller with limited contact to the surface world, but I'm pretty sure humans don't look like that.

 

What Bokaza said. My main complaint is that her flavor text made me gag and I fully regret ever reading it. I hate very few things on this planet, and her flavor text is one of those things. Other than that, I share the exact same thoughts as Gollee. The lack to act like that is what has her on a dangerous path to begin with, but I sorta like the character.

 

I've noticed she gets arrested A LOT, she might wanna tone down her behaviour or she may end up being fired.

 

An interesting character, but as other people have said, too much of a delinquent to realistically keep her job. LiLITH likes her because she finds Illdenberg to be an anomaly worthy of study, but one of the meatsacks would've canned her by now no question.

 

Even as an antag she came across as just too creepy for me. IN a rev round, where you are still supposed to play your character for the most part, she captured my captain and forced him to strip. Then did shit like rubbing his chest. The man is old with prosthetic arm, foot, and heart... He appears his age too.

 

I am not a big fan, because her attitude is well, something you would literally never see in a workplace. If you get hauled to the brig literally almost every round, your character probably wouldn't be hired for long. Also, she somehow finds herself in a security position, and I imagine security personnel are held to a higher standard in terms of not having a lengthy rap sheet. Also, sometimes she is a cadet, other times she is a security officer which is kind of confusing, especially considering she also works in science? Either way, in the past week, I've had to arrest her five time, and she wasn't even an antagonist.

 

Absolutely bizarre. Seems to exist solely to make conflict. Still have no idea what she's actually like. Appears to speak and think like a toddler.

 

This post took right the hell off-- Zero to a hundred real quick!

I've had to personally arrest Seon about seven times to my recollection, all of which were kind of silly. Silly in the sense that I was going "What is even going on." half the time. She legitimately says over comms every now and then, "Fuck cops." literally just because. I think I've heard it about four times now where there had been no reason or build-up to actually state that beforehand, literally just "Fuck Security."

With everything she does, she'd honestly get a psychiatric examination for Tourettes, ADHD, and undoubtedly some form of mental illness if she'd pull a knife on someone and start stabbing them with the intent to kill because she got her face slapped. If you were arrested for a minor crime, your file is looked at by Nanotrasen. If you're arrested for a major crime, you'd more than likely get fired less than three days after the incident occurs. If you have a long history of both, trailing back a little less than a month? Something doesn't quite add up.

It's not to say that I don't like the character, she just needs to be tweaked. Along with her flavor text. Like...really.

Adjust her behavior, adjust that flavor text, change her state of mind from a toddler to an adult.

 

Seon-rin is a troubled character and if you don't adjust how she is played there are probably going to be consequences.

She suffers several creative flaws, some of which overlap into toeing the line of what's acceptable in server rules.

1) Her records are extremely bizarre. She's not only a victim of genetic experiments, but she was riddled with bullets once, and violently attacked authorities during a confrontation. Not only that, but she was a star student at a research firm when she was 17, was a waitress on Mars and Earth for a combined total of 3 hours according to herself, and is now a lab assistant on the NSS Aurora at 19 despite her severe psychological and social impediments.

2) The lewd and erotic behavior is toeing the line of what's acceptable. It's clear that it makes several people that witness it uncomfortable. I'm sure uncomfortable.

3) This isn't something to be proud of. It won't make her an awesome Warden.

You said before that you had the desire to improve your character, and I believe that you're sincere. The best way to go about this would be to take an honest look at the backstory you have for her, how it shapes her as a character, and ask yourself: why? What narrative or niche are you trying to portray with the character? How do you want people to see her? How are you trying to make them see her like that?

 

Lets list out the bad things about Seon.

 

Lets.

 

Flavour Text- This was deemed disturbing and too descriptive (Mostly by you)

 

Yes, it was marked as being markedly inappropriate and generally disgusting (As it went to in-depth detail about Seon's pubic hair). And while you seem so fond of "Mostly by you" and "Only you think that" in conversations with me. I at first failed to even notice this, it was originally brought up by Tishinastalker (If I recall correctly), and was commented upon after Tish had brought it up by Tainaiva and Teneza (Again if I recall correctly) both in a decidedly negative light. I believe the words "I almost threw up" were REPEATEDLY said by multiple parties. If you go through the "Seon-Rin what do you think of her?" thread, you'll find a dozen+ comments that mirror this.

 

but I did bring lots of changes that made it acceptable.

 

Then you have utterly failed at showing us. There's no link to your new flavor text, no list of changes and no promise of "I fixed it!" just "Oh yeah, I changed things!"

 

Records- She was too skilled for her age and experience.

 

Well....yeah. She was 17 (Originally) though you later brought it up to 19, had never attended any sort of education and was somehow working as a security cadet, security officer, Assistant,Geneticist, Lab Assistant,Scientist oh and she also had extensive engineering/martial arts knowledge "Because she was taught by her father". You later amended her to having attended a school (Who's name is in Hangul alphabet for some reason) and had her attending a university (Though still failed to mention what she was studying).

 

Behavior- She was a trouble seeker.

 

I'm going to expand on this, for any members of our community that have missed out on the "antics" of Seon-Rin. She has, been arrested (Probably 100+ times and almost always when Meta is NOT an antag), She has sexually assaulted a crewmember (One of Xelnaga's, quoted above), refused Duty Officer orders to take medication for her significant psychological/physiological problems, has 'flashed' crewmembers by lifting up her skirt in Public (Seriously, who does this?), pulled a knife on someone for slapping her (Again, when not an antag), has forced characters to kiss her, along with several other incidents that I'm not going to mention, I think everyone gets the picture.

 

All these things are fixed in this character.

 

Show us. You are just spouting words at this point with no evidence to back it up, and after several empty promises to "fix" Seon. You'll find that words without evidence at this point carry very little weight.

 

Flavour Text- It's still honest to what she looks like but lessened widely.

 

This is the BIGGEST issue. I'm going to quote your records to avoid having to explain it myself "2438 - Was genetically modified in the womb before birth, reasons are unknown. DNA was infused with various creatures DNA the procedure is highly illegal. Due to the slight failure of the procedure it was attempted to be reversed 2 years after birth and only 12.34% of the effects were corrected but interesting features are still manifesting."

This breaks the lore of our established universe. A human being CANNOT be infused with significant quantities of animal/alien DNA/genes and still retain any level of functioning biology. If this TRULY occurred as it would 'true to lore' then Seon would either A. be lying in a grave somewhere from massive genetic damage from this procedure, or B. Be lying in a hospital bed, drooling all over herself as the genetic damage would've caused horrific and unknowable implications on her personality, appearance and the function of her body. This seems the part that you are INSISTENT upon retaining, but this is the part that you CAN'T retain, this simply conflicts with our established universe and lore and just is not acceptable. This is not a arguable point, if you want Seon to exist, remove it.

Note: Genetic engineering IS a thing that exists in the universe, but it's focused mainly on improving ability (Through PRECISE targeting of genes) or correcting for hereditary diseases (Which I have MANY characters who have had this done) Genetic engineering is possible and somewhat common, you're just not taking it in a reasonable manner.

 

Records- Ultra standard, not a child with high science knowledge.

 

Again, post them.

 

Behavior- I'm expecting to be modest, but y'know I haven't played yet.

 

I simply can't accept this. I've seen both Seon and your other characters in-game and in every occurrence they are overly dramatic, troublesome or have odd quirks to their existence that conflict with our lore/cause fucktonnes of trouble. The massive pile of arrests, sexual assaults, and sheer idiotic behavior that simply don't fit with our Heavy RP environment is just really too big to ignore at this point.

 

But if you really insist point out all of seon flaws and I'll fix them on the spot.

 

I HAVE, as have DOZENS of people in the past. There's an entire thread on the forums that essentially does nothing but this actually. Yet while you are "Willing to fix them", you somehow haven't.

[New Code Discussions: Shells v Androids]

I'm actually with Jackboot on this one, we've already lost a lot of things with the transfer that we may not see back for a long time, if at all. Shells were kind of wonky and they had some odd things to them, but they were ours. I'd be really disappointed to see them go.

 

What she said.

[Seon-Rin Von Illdenberg returns...]

This is the basis of the character though, plus you personally dislike this feature it's not a real problem.

 

You need to read and understand this. You are making no meaningful changes to your characters, you actually made ANOTHER character that caused a controversy by being just as snowflakey as Seon. This post offers no promise of change, no evidence that you've even attempted it nor that you even understand why your character needs to be changed despite being informed of why repeatedly. Making meaningful changes to Seon/whatever IS required, the administrative staff will continue the restriction on Seon existing until you actually do something about how idiotically "Speshul" she was. Both my and other other admin's "Opinions" on this matter are decisively against Seon becoming a thing again because you have essentially ignored both the feedback from staff and players while assuming we're just going to go "Kay, she can come back." No. She can't. Not until you prove you can make her a more accepted character.

I will keep this appeal open for a couple days to offer you yet another chance to prove you are capable of making a decent character. If you do not, I will deny this.

[Seon-Rin Von Illdenberg returns...]

One, Non Admins personal no more comments.

 

They are free to comment here aslong as they are relevant. Which thus far they are.

 

Genetic experimentations.

 

This alone makes me say "NOPE" because I SPECIFICALLY told you that this was NOT okay. And you apparently are electing to ignore that.

[Planets of the Rim]

I know, I brought that up in the post that the forum deleted. This is just for people who want to be from the Rim, but don't have any ideas of their own. I think one of the good things about ambiguity in lore, and creative licensee is being able to share what you've created with everyone.

 

Orrrrrr you could be from that y'know. Union of planets in the rim.

[Custom Loadout Requests Thread]

You might think that's neon, but they're the exact same shades as the various coloured jumpsuits.

 

That

[Custom Loadout Requests Thread]

 

Hijabs pls

Also more hair flower pins

 

[Ye olde sprite show-off]

 

Various Medals I have made for Biesel, Sol and the URS

Annnd Sol Alliance military uniforms

Started by Sgtsammac but finished by myself

 

[A Socratic Seminar on the Influence of SS13 Lesbianism]

I thank you for making a differentiation

[Reduce Random Events]

Yeaaah. This is a really good idea. Tbh I almost always edit the timers for the events, or just outright disable them when I'm on.

[What is a Security Officer?]

At least the way I see it security is in a place that's somewhere between corporate security and actual police. This is a result of Aurora being a corporate owned facility in the middle of space. Biesel is obviously not going to send police to every single station in Tau Ceti. Most of the time on NT facilities/Space station it'll be private security enforcing system-wide laws/corporate regulations, and turning over offenders to the system-authorities at Odin.

[Outer Colonies - Need Help Plotting Course]

I was specifically referring to the Unathi going all jihad on the independent colonies in the frontier. That along with pirates being everywhere and the navies of the few frontier powers significant enough to have navies being busy with said Unathi/pirates. This just doesn't seem like an intelligent time for a cruise

[Outer Colonies - Need Help Plotting Course]

-snip-

 

What I'm looking for is a list of systems or locations in the Outer Colonies, places for the Boadicea to head over to.

 

You know the outer colonies/frontier are kinda in the middle of a war right now right?

[Ames De La Fontaine! What do you think do you think of him?]

why does everyone goes to Phoebe Essel so much?

 

Because she's a non-cringey (Not anymore anyway) character that most people who've been around for a bit have RPed with at least a little and has existed...forever. Nursie has managed to play Phoebe for a year+ and still manages to keep her interesting.