SodaPopBob

No, this is a real problem. Ive personally had rounds where im arrested for something as antag and any conflicting evidence is disregarded, conflicting testimony ignored, charge definitions stretched and mercilessly stacked, and even implausible scenarios being seriously considered, for example a human drinking blood making no sense. There is a serious lack of not only good RP, but just a sense of making a round fun. When you do things like mercilessly stalk an antag on the cameras with the "he stole something so i need to watch him exclusively for an hour", and you remove an antag, you just did the thing that makes people want to vote CT, because the round is boring. Antags dont expect you to hand them the round, but when you robocop the shift, its taking away from everyone.

So instead of getting sleep, i decided to think about SS13 and some problems i've had with it as antag, and I had an epiphany. You know how in the spy movies, the cool chad spy needs to get past the security cameras, so he does some spy magic and spoofs the camera? like takes a picture of the room and props it up in front of the camera, or does some tech magic and makes the camera feed back a loop of the room footage so no one suspects anything? We need this. I've had a few issues with Ruthless/Powergamer AIs and Sec just hounding my ass on the sec cameras, and i know for a fact i'm not the only one who has had this issue. If you bring it up in an Ahelp, the Powergamer/Ruthlesskilljoy will come up with some flimsy excuse for following you for 30 minutes on camera, and it will be accepted, and you will get a message saying its a dick move, but its not against the rules. If we had a way to spoof the cameras, this could alleviate issues like this. I have two ideas, one makes more sense, the other is more fun. MAKES SENSE - let us e-mag the cameras. this sounds like something that falls completely in line with what an emag would do to begin with, and makes perfect sense for an operative traitor to have this ability anyway. MORE FUN - let us Multi Tool the cameras. This gives cultists/vamps the ability to pull off sweet chad spy moves and helps alleviate ruthless ai stalking across the board. FUN COMPROMISE - let an emag have instant success/longer effect and the multi tool have challenging success/shorter effect. THE MECHANICS Here's the way i see it making sense and working as a mechanic. Chad Powers walks in a room that he knows hes going to do bad stuff in. He approaches the camera, and does his sweet Chad magic. Then, he has X seconds to haul ass out of the room. After X seconds, the camera will begin to record for Y seconds. After Y seconds, the camera will now play back that recording to AI and terminals for Z minutes. NERF IT To nerf this effect, there is an inherent danger of something happening during the recording, like someone walking in the room. If someone walks in the room, then the recording ends, then when someone watches the camera footage, they are going to see someone walk in, warp back and walk in on repeat, and know that someone tampered with the camera. A second nerf would be sparks that would occasionally fly out of the camera, alerting those around them that the cameras been tampered with. Also, just the general lack of traffic in populated areas would tip off the viewer. Valid hunting is a serious problem in a HRP server. There are players (you know who you are) that are far more interested in making arrests and "winning" as opposed to letting antags play out their mechanic and the crew as a whole having fun dealing with it, and frequently have a half hearted excuse as to why it's justified. "well, he said that you were in the brig for 3 minutes for stealing something off of someone's desk, so it's valid for him to stalk the ever loving fuck out of you for the next hour." Having a non stop eye in the sky that you can't do anything about without instantly alerting someone something's been done is a really potentially abusive power that needs to be nerfed, and i feel like this would be a great way to not only do that, but give a little RP to traitors/antags that makes sense contextually.

I was the player whose life you ruined by being a big fat jerk. I don't know if i should say anything or not in regards to this, i just happened to spot it. let me know if you need anything from me

Just my two cents, i've been aggressively stalked as antag vamp multiple times by AI, once i believe it was [REDACTED], who decided to follow me from the halls, through maintenance and bust me stealing blood somehow from the medbay blood bank. their reason for it was that i was under suspicion from an attack earlier, even though i was acquitted of the attack and wasn't found wearing any of the clothes, hairstyles, or tools reported, just after the attack. i'm not sure if that was him or not, it's happened a few times. Point is, i find that i'm very aggressively stalked by AIs 90% of the time as antag, and when i report it, i'm told it's a dick move but it's not breaking any rules. ive been a vamp id say.... 7 times, maybe less, and the other day was the first time i wasn't locked up within 15 minutes of round start and actually got to do something.

[mention]alexpkeaton[/mention] really i played security cadet a few times and its almost required for the sec guards to first thing label their lockers, and i like the idea for mining. It gives miners more of an incentive to actually USE their locker as well, for stashing tools or loot found in abandoned crates, and might help keep people from running off with your goddamn ore box

Thats it basically, if possible it would be nice to have a label maker spawn in mining, on the table next to the input square for the conveyer at round start, so we can label our lockers, ore boxes, and void suits with our names. nothing fancy here.

we could also play a play by post game, if anyone here is familiar with such things

Caught a whiff of some interest in the OOC chat for tabletop, and wouldn't mind getting a few games together if anyone wants to get in on it. if you like to play or would like to try out Call of Cthulhu RPG or DnD, post here and with enough interest ill get a game together on Roll20!

I think i accidentally posted this in completed, if it was just moved there let me know I'm not asking for much here, just a simple change. Xeno Arch is already a very Meh job, but one I enjoy. Unfortunately, Its very, very, VERY common to not have any artifacts on the sublevel. or the main level. 9/10 i have to go to construction level to find ANY artifacts. Then I have to wade through a sea of rock playing hot-cold to find one artifact, bring it back, and spend what's left of the next round trying to figure it out. Usually, its never figured out before the shuttle is called in. All im asking is for one guaranteed artifact on sub level, just one. Maybe two. You can put the rest of them on the damn moon if that satisfies your masochistic side, but just give me one guaranteed on sub, so i can RP one artifact and have a report made on it. Another useful boon for XenoArch, and mining for that matter, make the airlock on construction bigger please. its only one square on the interior, if we can make it a 4x4 or even a 1x2 i'll have room to bring out my Field Gen and bring the artifact back in. As it stands right now, i have to get inflatable barriers and construct an impromptu airlock which usually winds up pissing someone off, if i can even convince anyone to give me the barriers to begin with. I get that it's just part of the job, but as it stands, you don't have enough time to accomplish one thing 99% of the time, please streamline this so things can actually be done! I dont see many XenoArch's in our games, and i dont think its solely because its mostly RP, because with a little luck it isnt. I think the job as it stands is terribly inefficient, and streamlining it slightly while keeping the main challenges of the job intact would see more activity in this dept, one that I enjoy. XenoArch kind of feels like a job that was made but never finished, and like the red headed stepchild no one gave a shit enough to fix. TLDR; one thing turned into three Guaranteed 1-2 artifacts on sublevel Larger airlock on construction level Maybe give XenoArch access to more airlocks? OH! and build a display for artifacts please! a little museum display so people can see the fruits of my labor. I WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED DAMNIT

So this is just my two cents but... I don't think you want to make it harder on the doctors themselves, that's just going to put an extra burden on their already heavy shoulders, and in an HRP setting, where cloning tech exists to an extent that its a feature on a ship just like a toilet or holodeck, we need to assume that the doctors are proficient with cloning period, and can do it efficiently. That's just the reality of having it as an available technology. Some ideas would be: move the cloning to science, which actually makes much more sense to begin with. When I think of cloning, I don't think of doctors with masks, i think of scientists with lab coats pouring over DNA scans etc. again, we just have to assume that the cloning process is efficient for the cloners, therefore the cloning process needs to be hindering to the player. after all, they are the ones that went off and fell down a mining hole, or let an antag murderbone them, not the doc. RNG for random genetic drift seems like the most ideal solution. Maybe they develop a shake or twitch that causes them to drop something, or like what was mentioned above, have a neurological disorder that requires a cane? A disorder that impairs vision, or even a random RPable psychosis. Putting it off on the cloner seems like the wrong player is getting the business. Extend the time it takes to clone If cloning tech is available, and we have to assume the Aurora is not the only ship equipped with it, then we have to assume that it's also been equipped on the cheap. There are science devices that require upgrade, the cloner probably should too if it already isn't. The more upgrades you get, the better the odds of a defect free cloning. This could also give antags a nice way to combat the clone army, by sabotaging the cloning machine, and possibly greatly increasing the chances of a defect, possibly with an emag. maybe doing so would allow an antag to choose the defect, like screwing with someone's nervous system and affecting their aim? Decreasing their strength, or making it so they can't run as fast/as long? Genetic Drift/Antag sabotage is also a great way to get a clone that can't do his job anymore, without making it a direct consequence, or fully disqualifying the player from the job but still making it very difficult. A sec officer that can't run very long, aim his gun well because of shakes, or drops his gun randomly isn't going to be a very good sec officer, and may be discharged. A miner with a severe vision issue or requires a cane isn't going to be mining much longer, or maybe he will and the player is challenged/punished for dying. This could also give depts that don't actually have as much to do all the time a chance to do something in developing cures, drugs or temp fixes for these problems. maybe robotics can be tasked to build a sort of exoskeleton for the sec officer that finds he cant run as long as he used to. Require that the cloner be supplied with minerals, that would also give the miners more to do. One of the things that really bums me out as a miner is that you reach mining end game really fast. There comes a point where no one else needs your minerals, and you are fully decked out and have nothing to really do. Have the cloner be powered by Phoron exclusively. Require objects from other depts. Maybe after the cloning process, the clone requires an injection from the lazerus injector. again, another way to get other job sets involved.

I desire for her to be drawn and quartered by space bears in the holodeck and her remains dropped in the nearest toilet

[mention]sonicgotnuked[/mention] I don't want to make it sound like you weren't doing your job, because that wasn't the case. We literally sent each other the same message at the same time, you said something like "post so we can conclude the round" and i said "i'm just going to do a player report so you can push the next round forward", it wasn't a situation where you were trying to be a dick or anything, and just as a side note SonicGotNuked was a very helpful mod answering my constant pestering for at least three rounds straight. There was no Mod action taken this round solely for the fact that I just decided I wasn't going to bother him anymore directly and just post a player complaint. The PDAs were experiencing some formatting issues on pastebin for whatever reason, and my messages weren't there at all, but they are accurate, My first message was a very angry all caps "you fucking idiot do you even know what you fucking did" and the second was a regular slightly oocish "dude, you are being a fucking dick seriously" Not sure what else to say, except just to stress how difficult my tator approach was and i knew it going in, the long shot of finding a set of artifacts to pull it off nicely, the three solid hours of hard work i put into it, jumping through all 4 levels of the station looking for what i needed, and the sheer unadulterated heartbreak of watching one jerk essentially "Honk" everything the fuck up. XenoArch is new to me, I have less than 10 rounds under my belt, and since I started i've been conceptualizing a museum of artifacts, and on my traitor round I found the perfect way to tie it all together.

BYOND Key: SodaPopBob Game ID: bQG-bCai (either the game or the game after) Player Byond Key: AchroKnight Staff involved: SonicGotNuked Reason for complaint: Griefing Breaking RP Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? No known action taken, I just told Mod I would put a player complaint in so the next round can start Approximate Date/Time: 9/28/2017 1 am central - 430 am central (ish) Proof: https://pastebin.com/L8TXy3c7 I started off the round as a traitor XenoArch, and a new one at that, already up against all odds by definition. I took a long shot and decided I was going to strike out hard and fast to find Artifacts I could use against the station, EMP, maybe a Mob Cloner, I didn't know, it was all a gamble. You can see from the log i was frantic, focused, I was all over the place asking favors, getting clearances, trying to clear every level of artifacts. THREE HOURS LATER I've done it. Ive grabbed every anomaly there was to grab. Three hours. I had sculpted during this time a gimmick, where I was going to play a naive XA, who was so proud of her discoveries she was going to have a grand reveal. It was perfect. I already had one artifact that was just the perfect dupe, being near it caused gigantic blue letters telling you how happy and euphoric you feel. Bait and switch, all I had to do was get lucky and have SOMETHING in the other Anomalies (4 total found) that I could turn against everyone. I had everything gathered on the construction level, and started moving my finds into XA for study, to figure out what i'm working with. Im moving THE FIRST ARTIFACT. Im pulling it out of the elevator. Moving to Science. In comes Alicia Forest. She spots my find and is curious. I tell her don't fucking touch, it's dangerous. heres the interaction in its soul crushing and pointless glory. (pastebin lines 2003 - 2113) I edited out irrelevant chat. says, Alicia Forest"Woah" says, Alicia Forest"Wait" she notices the artifact, i immediately warn her says, Jadyn Fuchs"Do not touch" says, Jadyn Fuchs"DONT TOUCH" everytime i say this, im moving away from and around her, trying to keep her from touching the damn thing. After saying the above, I run into science, trying to get the damn thing away from her, and she follows me. says, Alicia Forest"Wew" says, Jadyn Fuchs"Im unsure of what it does" Alicia the Maintenance Tech follows me into science above, and below touches the goddamn thing says, Alicia Forest"GAH" Access denied. Please wait for authorities to arrive, or for the alert to clear. this is the moment she completely long dicks me. having touched the artifact, she activated the thing inadvertedly, and we find out its power is to suck the atmosphere from the area and superheat everything around it. I just want to stress here HOW PERFECT THIS WAS FOR MY GIMMICK, I COULDN'T OF ASKED FOR A BETTER FIND. says, Alicia Forest"I touched to much" says, Jadyn Fuchs"Fuck" The Emergency Shutter opens for Alicia Forest. Now everything is locked down. shutters all up and down the hall, the elevators blocking me from the rest of my finds, everything grinds to an instant halt and any plans I had to tator are essentially over at this point. Access denied. Please wait for authorities to arrive, or for the alert to clear. exclaims, Alicia Forest"AH!!!" Access denied. Please wait for authorities to arrive, or for the alert to clear. Access denied. Please wait for authorities to arrive, or for the alert to clear. Access denied. Please wait for authorities to arrive, or for the alert to clear. The Emergency Shutter opens for Alicia Forest. says, Alicia Forest"Wow" [Common]Lockstates, "Responding to atmospheric alarm, stand clear of R&D if possible." [Common]Jadyn Fuchssays, "Ahh" says, Jadyn Fuchs""ahh says, Alicia Forest"I didnt know..mthat was possiible" asks, Jadyn Fuchs"Did you touch it?" says, Alicia Forest"Yes" says, Jadyn Fuchs"Damn it" says, Jadyn Fuchs"God damnit" asks, Alicia Forest"Why?" says, Jadyn Fuchs"Its an ancient artifact" says, Jadyn Fuchs"I have no clue what it dies" says, Jadyn Fuchs"Or at least i diddnt" says, Jadyn Fuchs"You activated it when you touched it" says, Alicia Forest"It heats up, if ya touch it" says, Alicia Forest"Thats what it does" says, Jadyn Fuchs"Yes. yes it does" Here is where she starts to break HRP like mad, just completely devolving into "Herpaderp" territory, going above and beyond her previous actions says, Alicia Forest"Wanna touch it more" says, Jadyn Fuchs"Stop" [Common]Lockstates, "Avoid traveleing, hallway is dangerous." exclaims, Alicia Forest"NEVAH!" [Common]Otumo Bunshuruasks, "What'ss wrong with the hallwayss?" Now im just trying desperately to salvage the situation [Common]Jadyn Fuchsasks, "Lock, was the atmos alarm from heat?" asks, Jadyn Fuchs""lock, was the atmos alarm from heat? says, Alicia Forest"Just het" [Common]Lockstates, "Temperature, and pressure, confirmed." asks, Alicia Forest"Hm.. I wonder.. can I touch it to death?" [Common]Jadyn Fuchssays, "Unlock the doors, its an artifact someone carelessly touched, let me get it to sub level please" says, Jadyn Fuchs""unlock the doors, its an artifact someone carelessly touched, let me get it to sub level please she just keeps screwing with it now. [Common]Jadyn Fuchssays, "STOP TOUCHING IT" says, Jadyn Fuchs""STOP TOUCHING IT asks, Alicia Forest"What?" asks, Alicia Forest"Hm?" says, Jadyn Fuchs"YOU ARE MAKING IT WORSE" says, Jadyn Fuchs"Its in the next room lock" says, Alicia Forest"Then.. well" The Emergency Shutter opens for Alicia Forest. says, Jadyn Fuchs"Can you move it to sub level please" yells, Alicia Forest"TOUCHY TIME!" She runs further into science, grabs the artifact, and takes off with it EVEN FURTHER into science The Emergency Shutter opens for Alicia Forest. says, Jadyn Fuchs"Are you fucking retarded" The Emergency Shutter opens for Lock. says, Jadyn Fuchs"Lock, please move it to sub level" The Emergency Shutter opens for Alicia Forest. The Emergency Shutter closes for Lock. says, Jadyn Fuchs"An isolation room" Below its clear to me that Alicia isnt going to stop acting like an minecraft griefer, and im trying to get her contained so i can transport the REST of the Anomalies that are still waiting in construction level [Common]Jadyn Fuchssays, "Security, we have an issue with alicia forest. bring atmos gear" says, Jadyn Fuchs""security, we have an issue with alicia forest. bring atmos gear [Common]Jadyn Fuchssays, "To RnD please" says, Jadyn Fuchs""to RnD please Now i'm just standing outside of science, flabbergasted at what just happened. This was no clever dupe, this was no RPed event where Alicia had planned her actions, thought them out, came to a logical conclusion based on circumstances, and decided to touch it. Alicia just decided in that one moment to be a complete fucking goof - asshat, and completely ruins THREE HOURS OF FINGER CROSSING AND FRANTIC DIGGING. THREE. HOURS. Im dumbstruck. Three hours of work, ruined over less than a minute of impulsive herp a derp. I send her two PDA messages. Unknown taps on her PDA's screen. (something along the lines of YOU IDIOT YOU RUINED EVERYTHING) Message from Alicia Forest (Maintenance Technician), Reply "Stop whining.. tis fine!" Jadyn Fuchs taps on her PDA's screen. (something along the lines of no seriously, you are a dick you fucked everything up why", broken up into two messages) Message from Alicia Forest (Maintenance Technician), Reply "shhh" Message from Alicia Forest (Maintenance Technician), Reply "wuah... wuah" There it is. Come along and dick up my gimmick being a retard just to be a retard and im just being a crybaby. I ask Lock to restrain Alicia, and decide to report to mods, the following is our conversation. (lines 2174 - 2262 pastebin) PM to-: can you have a word with Alicia for griefing and breaking RP pleaseStaff Your adminhelp will be tended by sonicgotnuked. Please allow the staff member a minute or two to write up a response. -- Click the Trial Moderator's name to reply -- [Trial Moderator PM]SonicGotNukedWhat are they doing? to : PMSonicGotNukedshe ignored instructions not to touch the artifact, saying stupid shit like ITS TOUCHING TIME, got the entire hallway and im sure most if not all of science locked down, and ran off with the damn artifact to : PMSonicGotNukedjust generally acting like a complete idiot to : PMSonicGotNukedgoddamnit i spent 3 goddamn hours working on this shit and in less than a minute that player "herp a derps" it all the fuck up : [Trial Moderator PM]SonicGotNukedIs science still locked down? to : PMSonicGotNukedno, but my whole traitor gimick is fucked, the gimick i worked three damn hours to find and put together : [Trial Moderator PM]SonicGotNukedWhat was your gimmick? to : PMSonicGotNukedi spent three hours finding artifacts with negative effects to use against the station, in an innocent "hey everyone come here and look at what i found" bit. found three, was confident one would do the trick, and she somehow zeros in on it and long dicks it up to : PMSonicGotNukedno RP, no reason, literally "herpaderp its touchy touchy time" : [Trial Moderator PM]SonicGotNukedDid you tell them to bring them to the testing area? to : PMSonicGotNukedi told Lock to, after Alicia dicked it all up to : PMSonicGotNukedlock is fine, he just contained the disaster Alicia caused to : PMSonicGotNukedi told alicia to get the hell away, then she responds whehwheh on my pda when im trying to get across the player dicked up my thing just being stupid there was more of a conversation going on between me and the mod, but everything that had happened, the attempts to control the damage, and the conversation with the mod took up so much time that now the round is over, and we both suggest that Ill put a complaint in on the forum because I don't want to hold up the next round. Besides, i'm so frustrated at this point i'm not even getting across clearly to the mod.