Dumplinz

I was an AI while he was a borg unit, very good RP, cooperated, asking where he was needed as a borg unit, actually talked to his fellow borgs and crew and didn't seem like someone who would take there whitelist as anything less than serious. Heroically died pushing out the super matter crystal that was about to explode, truly a hilarious moment +1 for sure.

Ehhhh, the server going down wasn't intentional, though probably shoulda been tested on a private server, he/she didn't really know this would happen. A day away from Aurora won't be too bad.

Ban He.

I was the Captain during the round, I ordered the CMO to not clone the person who committed suicide for obvious reasons. Just so it's clear in the context. Assuming all of this was fine RP (yinzr attacking the CMO) and was all cannon. Had Delta filed a IC complaint, Wouldn't Yinzr more or less be fired or heavily demoted? I mean the CMO was definitely in the right in terms of rules, Yinzr attacked a head of staff... Seems like this belongs in an IC complaint IF the other staff's believe nothing was done "wrong".

I was captain while three Vaurca, well, two Vaurca decided to have a Duel because of honor and being shamed out of a hive. (I believe there was a "story" behind it all and even a forum post somewhere maybe?) But it seemed very unathi. The third Vaurca being a "referee" of sorts. Then I had to argue what they were doing was completely unacceptable from NT's point of view, when one of the Vaurca simply replied "we serve the Queen, Not Nanotransen!" I'm not going to pretend to understand the Vaurca lore, just stating from my viewpoint I have just as well encountered many Vaurca playing with the "honor" side of things

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I recall being a Captain on a shift when some Vaurca got kidnapped as a hostage by some Antags, And basically said fuck it, we're stilling going to kill/capture the antags Hostage or not. The HoS supported me but everyone else went nuts and even ahelped (which I later found out, the admins didn't contact me at the time) And we basically told the Nukeops, we weren't negotiating a Vaurca hostage for one of their own (a Nukeops we captured). Too many white knight neckbeards.

Like I said in my post, When I was saying it was hilarious, I was implying that the situation was absurd and (I believe) was chosen because of the mechanics of forcing Phoebe to the ground to not get shot. I don't condone it, or think it was wise, but I think that is why they did it, as opposed to a realism stand point. I applaud the flank, well done, I don't know too much in terms of mechanics, But is it not possible to remove those hardsuits/ Hardsuit gloves?/ helmets? In terms of killing you, I'm simply stating, you were liable to be shot to death, the fact that you were not is an amazing feat in it of itself. The officers should not have off'd you, and I think Alb said that was too rash, I mean any time you have a perp with a slit throat after the fact, you're going to have people lose their job. I'm not defending that. I'm simply arguing against the idea that a security officer would do everything they can to secure this hostage in this situation, To which I again say no, you were liable to be shot and killed regardless of the hostage in this situation, and that isn't something that wouldn't happen in an actual real life scenario. To be clear, You being filled with 1000 bullets would be more acceptable than having a slit throat, but because you lived, you shouldn't have been executed.

As an actual police officer, In terms of the hostage situation (and really the only thing I will comment on as it pertains to this complaint). The moment you put a gun up to a hostage's head and more so threaten to kill said hostage is the moment the police will either kill you on the spot or devise a plan to kill you. It would seem unreasonable to expect just because you have a regular worker (which I assume phoebe wasn't playing captain or cmo), to expect security to let the antagonist go, there is no expectation that the person taking the hostage captive will let them live. The rescue plan sounds hilarious, but I think it's a stretch to expect the security to never disobey a hostage taker, the common idea in law enforcement (at least now since school shootings) is save as many people as you can by swiftly neutralizing the antagonist. You can't expect to save everyone, I do get the "take him alive" approach, but as soon as you take a hostage you rarely get that right anymore. Look at it from the Securities standpoint, And I know it's hard, because this is "spac gaem" It is so unrealistic to expect security to be gods and take people alive who are armed, are you aware of how difficult that is in real life? your life is actually on the line, you don't know how the person is going to react, you only know they are willing to kill to escape. Nah, 100% of actual sworn officers would tell you to take the shot over taking the person alive. If I had to add an alternative to what should have been done, Maybe.. Quarantine off the area, surround him (assuming we're talking maintc. here) Tell the hostage taker clearly that he will not be escaping, and doing anything except surrendering will lead to their death. The assumption being unless they have a strong motive to kill said hostage, they will surrender if they value their life, If they don't value their life, there can be no negotiation anyway. In the Absence of the time and personnel to make the surrounding, you take the shot, Because while you shoot at them (at least from a human instinctive standpoint) they are going to return fire instead of offing the hostage.

I think Coolbc was saying: If there was auto-objectives, you would have less "boring assassinations/killing/gank complaints" and more easily justifiable scenarios where antags did things to clearly move toward their greater goal( and the posibility for antags to target non-sec roles, thus interacting with a greater variety of the station), I'll drop it there, Since I suppose that is very off topic. It's relevance is in the sense things like this complaint could be more justifiable if Antags weren't given a sort of blank "slate" to provide role play for the station.

oooh boy, Jboy got me, He's right, I wasn't there. You gotta be there to call people on their terrible reasoning, yup. I'm supprised we have judges that JUDGE people based on not being at places where incidents take place! Everyone pack up, This guy is far too smart, no way you can form an opinion based on what someone is talking about, nope. Good luck everyone, hes too smart for me anymore.

I'm referring to the incident I was involved in, hence why I stated earlier I was not one of the lings I'm your senario

They saw the killing take place, in a storage area, which they were not lead to I don't know how much more it can be spelled out for you. This is very irrelevant to the topic at hand. so feel free to delete this mods, but maybe this will help Jboy understand. How could they NOT have known or told anyone? They Saw it happen. it's very easy to type ;say ___ is killing ___ in the radio. Didn't lead the second person there purposefully, so you're just blantantly wrong there, Unless you are talking about the RD, in which case I did it to absorb and impersonate them to create a senario in which the rest of the station could enjoy.

...Really? The threat is allowing the entire station to know there is a changling/Antag that is attacking the crew. The person in question was the RD, which was to be absorbed and impersonated. The reason to see me as a threat was I was killing their boss.. You don't have an argument to stand on here, unless you argued to remove Changling as a whole, but that is a different story. There is an expectation they would report to the crew what they saw, and a very unlikely way of forcing them to stay silent without killing them. Getting on topic: You can't answer the question, because you believe you shouldn't have ever been killed in the first place. Though i was not the changling in your senario, the obvious answer you keep skipping: Killing you to absorb and impersonate the HoS can easily be the explanation You say "extensive" means, Another buzzword adding nothing to the conversation, congrats. Your argument is they lure you there as a "friend" they already killed, to kill you? You want Changlings to... "knock people out" to what end? they are knocked out. Now they are locked away somewhere, not apart of the game until they are found. Like your argument, there is no logical reason for a changling to take a hostage. OR you hilariously think locking them up as a security officer is a better solution. so they are out of the game because you lied, and that's fun for them. Do you hear yourself? your reasoning is absurd which leads me to believe you are just complaining to complain. Everyone isn't going to enjoy an antag round, That's the nature of an antagonist sometimes. Adding to the Roleplay is for the station, not every individual. Seriously though, it's crazy to think all your senarios proved the point i was making, You remove people from the game one way or another, regardless of whether you keep them alive, and in every one of those senarios all you are doing is using the Changling's abilities from which he has to kill and absorb people to use. Ridiculous.

It's not against the rules to radio in who is attacking you, and then scream for help/with the location etc.. Killing them because this is believed to be the likely issue isn't against the rules. (this is for the "they walk in on you blatantly killing someone in the act" as a changling) You don't seem to understand. Because they Can justify targeting and killing you, how would you have RP'd the situation resulting in your death as a changling Please do not use empty words like "interact" and believe that is a quick enough explanation. What is the Interaction you speak of where you as the HoS end up dead, and absorbed, What is the degree of "RP" you were looking for in this situation, in detail. (you don't have to answer this, but I don't think you're going to get a change in the mods/admins decision if you do not). Security are not antags, and are not suppose to kill and absorb people, your question is irrelevant.