VTCobaltblood Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 viewing the issue through a lens of ignorant entitlement. Excuse me? -None of them have worked in a job that was not food service that provided free food to their employees, with the sole exception of jobs that were somewhere very remote like a coal mine or oil rig, where there is no where nearby to go and shop. Like a space station in a rock? -Certain jobs with on-site restaurants offer their employees benefits regarding the restaurant, like discounts or being able to get pre-paid meal tokens. Sometimes, they take extra out of your paycheck for the discounts. Like what Paradox proposed with making you start with less money if you get a meal card? The implication is your employee paid for this and it is a voucher for one meal. What employee would pay for a voucher themselves? The point of vouchers is to have them issued by someone else, ensuring you get a certain service for free. NT Gourmand Club Membership Card Who would ever use this? What if my chef is running a fast food joint this round, what gourmands are you talking about?
Kaed Posted November 2, 2018 Author Posted November 2, 2018 -Don't take it as an insult. Ignorance just means you don't know something, and entitlement just means you feel you are owed something by someone. Ignorant entitlement therefore means you think employees are owed something (free meals) when the reality is that is not how businesses work. -You're making a point while ignoring the context. If we have an on-station restaurant, then there is a nearby place to shop for food, isn't there? Not to mention the vending machines. The remoteness of the Exodus is not relevant to this. -Clarifying an idea is not arguing against it -Vouchers are provided by someone that you have paid them for or as a reward for something. You are not just handed a meal token out of the gentle kindness of NT's heart -Gourmands are just people who like to eat a lot, and despite the connotation you appear to be applying to it, it's just the name of the Club, and has nothing to do with the quality of the food acquired. It's a roleplay coupon for a percent off. Why bring anything but default items to work? It's fun and for roleplay purposes. Maybe someone is a wannabe food critic on the side. Plenty of options.
VTCobaltblood Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 -Don't take it as an insult. Ignorance just means you don't know something, and entitlement just means you feel you are owed something by someone. Ignorant entitlement therefore means you think employees are owed something (free meals) when the reality is that is not how businesses work. Ever heard of loaded language? -Vouchers are provided by someone that you have paid them for or as a reward for something. You are not just handed a meal token out of the gentle kindness of NT's heart So instead of paying for my meal, you're suggesting I either pay for a paper that allows me to get a meal, or pay for my meal? Why would I do the first instead of the latter?
Kaed Posted November 2, 2018 Author Posted November 2, 2018 The piece of paper gets you a meal deal. Something that is available and ready for lunch/dinner/breakfast that day, so you can hand in the coupon and get your food quickly from something(s) that were selected for you ahead of time. It's intended to be a balanced serving rather than just whatever your heart desires. You could instead use your own funds pay for something else on demand, like getting four cookies, or pie, or an eggplant salad, whatever else takes your fancy, and wait for it to be finished.
VTCobaltblood Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 The piece of paper gets you a meal deal. Something that is available and ready for lunch/dinner/breakfast that day, so you can hand in the coupon and get your food quickly from something(s) that were selected for you ahead of time. It's intended to be a balanced serving rather than just whatever your heart desires. Which I can order myself in 2 minutes maximum, by using simple words. "Give me that lunch of the day." The whole point of vouchers is to have them issued.
Kaed Posted November 2, 2018 Author Posted November 2, 2018 I don't understand what your argument here is. The voucher just means you prepaid for a meal that's all it is. What is difficult to understand here? The point of this update is to reinforce that crew members do not get free meals. We give you an option to get a meal in the shift without having to swipe your card, but in the end you're still paying for something.
VTCobaltblood Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 I don't understand what your argument here is. The voucher just means you prepaid for a meal that's all it is. What is difficult to understand here? Why would I pre-pay for a meal if I can pay for it?
Kaed Posted November 2, 2018 Author Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Make up your own in-game logic for it. Maybe you bought it, maybe you earned it somehow, maybe you are on a meal assistance program. The economy is irrelevant and arbitrary with the current setup. I have no intention of making the coupons actually change anyone's account balance, at least until the probably-never-happening economy update. Essentially, you are getting a free meal by selecting it out of the loadout, even if ICly, it's paid for somehow. Edited November 2, 2018 by Guest
VTCobaltblood Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 Well, that doesn't seem like a well thought-out suggestion, does it? This would be irrelevant anyway if Burger implements that spawning with cash in our pockets thing.
Kaed Posted November 2, 2018 Author Posted November 2, 2018 Projects can be modified if game updates change things. I'm done dwelling on this minor point of vouchers for the moment. It's as thought out as it needs to be for the purposes of gameplay. This update is about a larger concept than whether or not we add them.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 Food vouchers should be on the Id and I'll love the Idea. You can flash the Id or when you swipe the ID it scans the voucher and Marks it as paid. This automated attachment to the Id let's us save inventory space and is very intuitive.
SatinsPristOTD Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 Vouches do not equal free food paid for by someone else, Cobalt. Disney World sells food vouchers with it's ticket packages. Usually these food vouchers are CHEAPER than the food at the park, but still net the company a profit. They're also great for quick convenience. My college had our vouchers on a barcode attached to our ID. We just had to scan our ID and we'd get our allotted meal of the day. I paid for those meals at the beginning of the semester, but it was a package deal and saved me quite a bit of money in the long run. As for the In-Station restaurant/Pub.... whatever. I'm not sure why we can't just have NT charge food and have it as a fully owned NT company. NT is EXACTLY THE TYPE OF COMPANY to charge their employees for food. They aren't the PC white knights there to coddle their precious babies. You're replaceable, even the Captains. I could see them charging for food/drinks. My spouse's company does it, and we'll not get into the ethics of that company
VTCobaltblood Posted November 3, 2018 Posted November 3, 2018 Food vouchers should be on the Id and I'll love the Idea. You can flash the Id or when you swipe the ID it scans the voucher and Marks it as paid. This automated attachment to the Id let's us save inventory space and is very intuitive. But how are we going to distinguish whether or not that ID belongs to a visitor? If we, say, spawned everyone with food vouchers, we could exclude visitors from that easily. In loadout, vouchers could be allowed for anyone except assistants (and by extension, visitors). Isn't the whole point of this idea making people pay for their food? At least visitors should pay for it. Could it perhaps be implemented like access, beeping Access Denied if your role doesn't allow you to get food? Maybe I'm just not keen on code enough and the solution is extremely simple, like brutely checking the name of the id item to not contain visitor on it or something
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted November 3, 2018 Posted November 3, 2018 Food vouchers should be on the Id and I'll love the Idea. You can flash the Id or when you swipe the ID it scans the voucher and Marks it as paid. This automated attachment to the Id let's us save inventory space and is very intuitive. But how are we going to distinguish whether or not that ID belongs to a visitor? If we, say, spawned everyone with food vouchers, we could exclude visitors from that easily. In loadout, vouchers could be allowed for anyone except assistants (and by extension, visitors). Isn't the whole point of this idea making people pay for their food? At least visitors should pay for it. Could it perhaps be implemented like access, beeping Access Denied if your role doesn't allow you to get food? Maybe I'm just not keen on code enough and the solution is extremely simple, like brutely checking the name of the id item to not contain visitor on it or something Without a voucher then when the ID is swiped they are charged for the order.
Kaed Posted November 3, 2018 Author Posted November 3, 2018 Some discussion with my code guru has informed that the best way to do what you are describing is to make the voucher itself a physical item you get in the loudout (restricted to non-assistants) which you affix to your ID card (changing it's appearance so you can see the voucher stuck on it) and can them be swiped by a special EFPOS variant I will make for the restaurant.
Guest Marlon Phoenix Posted November 3, 2018 Posted November 3, 2018 Sick. That works too. Will the EFTPOS variant be a little cash register?
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