Scheveningen Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 nani kore wa, an assassins creed reference? Something I always wanted to implement was a certain, inconspicuous accessory that gave you a verb to extend a blade from said accessory to use in melee combat, while also being perfect for concealing an assassination weapon that was easy to carry into a room with discretion. At first I remember wanting way back to simply copy-paste the code from the ninja suit for the energy blade into something of this low-tech caliber. 'Course, this idea suddenly got forgotten until now. Now, however, the better framework (in terms of design) already exists in the form of the changeling armblade. While getting knocked down with an armblade simply morphs the arm back to normal, it obviously can't be disarmed and turned on its attacker. I wanted to implement a low-tech example of this while not being as powerful as an armblade or the ninjas energy blade. Particularly, I would like basically anyone to be able to construct such a contraption, though only antagonist-type characters would be the only ones to have justification and knowledge to do so. Similar to how other improvised weapons are treated in-game, and the overall popularity of such things isn't expected to change. Albeit, this would be intended to be a particularly useful example. However, something like this has many implications that would affect gameplay in a variable amount of ways, so I'm curious as to what the community thinks before deciding on what to do. Thoughts?
VTCobaltblood Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) I think these can be available at a hacked lathe or something. Simple enough, but not stupidly so, and available for both antags and non-antags, but would definitely get you a weird look. Like lethal rounds and tactical knives. energy wristblades at science owo?????? Edited December 4, 2018 by VTCobaltblood
Mwahahahaha Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 On 04/12/2018 at 12:50, Scheveningen said: Something I always wanted to implement was a certain, inconspicuous accessory that gave you a verb to extend a blade from said accessory to use in melee combat, while also being perfect for concealing an assassination weapon that was easy to carry into a room with discretion. At first I remember wanting way back to simply copy-paste the code from the ninja suit for the energy blade into something of this low-tech caliber. 'Course, this idea suddenly got forgotten until now. This is actually something I once did on my sandbox server years ago. As you suggested, I did make it essentially work in the same way a ninja's energy blade would (changelings didn't have armblades and shields and the like back then) and it yeah I mean it's doable not2brag not2brag i didn't make it an accessory though that that's pretty smart. I made it a nanoimplant instead, back when those still existed. Would the aforementioned verb be associated with clicking on the uniform, similar to holsters? Just to consider possible conflicts with holsters and storage accessories. Might also be consideration to have it as those HUD shortcuts but some may have complaints about that in its current state, as I've heard. I have a few questions (out of interest): You mentioned it would be a much more low-tech example so perhaps we can't expect to see some sophisticated blade penetrating action and advanced retraction mechanisms. How would a character 'sheathe' the blade? Did you have in mind that they were going to push it back, there's some sort of say, spring stop which conforms to the shape of the blade? With this in mind, do you think that whenever you get knocked over, they should retract automatically? If not, we might have to consider a wider scope in which mechanics are available to allow people to hold onto items while lying down — circumstances depending, of course. Do you think this should require machinery to create? Such as the autolathe? Or can it be made with 'raw' material stacks? Also, and maybe someone can contest this, but I feel like there's an observation which can be perceived in which while it's generally acceptable (~~~~~) for a changeling to walk up to someone and sting them, one could say there's a little bit more stigma when it comes to a person walking up to someone and then whipping out a weapon from their pockets and attacking them with it. In such an instance, how do you, in your ideals, think a player/character (depending on your perspective) use a hidden blade in a way that would be considered as "acceptable RP"? I feel like at some point, someone MIGHT bring up a perception that everyone (with regards to the notion that this should be an antag-knowledge-only thing) is suddenly relying on these things. Of course, this might start to drift more into a general 'wider' community issue thing that's dealt with mods. But I thought I'd just try to ask, if that's okay. On 04/12/2018 at 14:31, VTCobaltblood said: I think these can be available at a hacked lathe or something. Quite interesting! What did you have in mind? Do you think it should be constructed as the whole weapon, or should it be composed of parts? If the latter, do you think 'raw' material stack constructions should play a part in the crafting process? On 04/12/2018 at 12:50, Scheveningen said: low-tech On 04/12/2018 at 14:31, VTCobaltblood said: energy wristblades at science owo?????? Another thing. Do you think there'll be some room for there to be more high-tech versions, what with the existence of a low-tech version? One caveat with making them available for science weapons research is that it might conflict with the idea of making this an antag-knowledge-only thing. Now maybe you could argue that it should thus be part of the illegal tech tree, but as it stands right now, even that's obtainable under any circumstances, antag/admin involvement or not.
VTCobaltblood Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Mwahahahaha said: Quite interesting! What did you have in mind? Literally printing them off the lathe, just like tactical knives.
Mwahahahaha Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, VTCobaltblood said: Literally printing them off the lathe, just like tactical knives. Righto! But if we had things like tactical knives in the list of options there, what stops someone from just always choosing this option? Differences in stats like damage, maybe? Attack rate? You could argue antag-knowledge again (I'm aware of your notion to make them available to non-antags) but I mean at this point they're both there on what's effectively, arguably (feel free to disagree), a 3D printer. In any case, what makes an person (who knows how to hack an autolathe and find the appropriate, desirable designs on there) choose tactical knives over wrist blades?
VTCobaltblood Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mwahahahaha said: what stops someone from just always choosing this option? You can't disarm a wristblade. That's all you need, really.
Mwahahahaha Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, VTCobaltblood said: You can't disarm a wristblade. That's all you need, really. Right, but what I mean is the inverse: what stops someone from ALWAYS choosing wristblades given the option of having a tactical knife instead? Would it say, at least, cost different materials? Maybe the in-universe is that they're more complicated to use? Do you think those catches would be enough?
VTCobaltblood Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Mwahahahaha said: what stops someone from ALWAYS choosing wristblades given the option of having a tactical knife instead? Lower damage.
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