ParadoxSpace

[Randy]

BYOND Key: RandyJones

 Total Ban Length: Permanent

Banning staff member's Key: ParadoxSpace

Reason of Ban: "Pretty much ganked the rd"

Reason for complaint:

I played merc and after some correct escalation our merc team and sec had a shootout (first fire initiated by them) the rd was unarmed but in the middle of the shooting and got caught in the crossfire  then want to hide near me afterward i killed the rd because we were doing a phoron heist gimmick and a wounded head of staff seemed like a liability. ParadoxSpace explained afterward that shooting someone unarmed even with escalation is not acceptable hence I was banned for ganking

The rule for ganking is: "While antags will sometimes kill, it is expected for you to provide interesting roleplay to your targets first, if your goal is assassination. This does not mean that you need to monologue your opponent before killing them: role play leading up to a murder can take place over the course of the entire round, for example, leaving the murder scene itself to be “wordless”. Collateral damage is acceptable within reason, but this means you must use common sense, and avoid creating scenarios with a lot of potential for collateral (setting bombs in high-traffic areas, etc.)"

I fulfilled every requirement this rule makes in regards to what is expected of me as an antagonist security was even the first to open fire yet I was banned for ganking all the same. Yes we did rp with the crew maybe even 20 or so before we did a (in retrospect painfully predictable but totally legitimate all the same) betrayal after posing as phoron merchants from the frontier but no I didint "gank the rd"

Also id like to note that I was caught of guard by ParadoxSpace pming me in the middle of a shoot out and actually forcing me aside during a rp heavy high stress situation then cross-examining me so my answers to his pms were understandably absent minded and I was confused by his accusation because he claimed that shooting unarmed people as an antag even WITH correct roleplay is against the rules something that is just simply incorrect but something to keep in mind all the same since shortly after he summarily permabanned me while the crew and my team had organically made a decision to hand me over to the crew because I had killed the rd I sadly never got to experience the situation because ParadoxSpace either did not care for the situation or felt banning me was more important regardless a permanent ban when I acted within the rules is unfair but having no respect for an rp situation on a hrp server just seems unprofessional.

I suspect this might be a case for simply banning me because I have notes on unrelated situations the "youve had a lot of chances here" comment shows as much because I did not break any rules, there was correct roleplay leading up to the shootout and I had a sound reason to do it and again I was not the first to open fire.

Edited March 1, 2020 by Randy

[MattAtlas]

@Aboshedaband I will handle this.

[MattAtlas]

Sorry for the wait, I unexpectedly got sick and had to take a week or so to recover. The results will be available soon.

[MattAtlas]

Okay. We have agreed that Paradox was in the right in this situation. Your fellow mercenaries even told you not to murder the research director. You then intentionally murdered them. This would be fine had you given them any sort of roleplay OR if they had given you any reason to murder them, but that's not what happened. You killed them in a firefight for no actual reason. They did not pose a danger as they were very obviously unarmed and you had many other choices according to your gimmick - as an example, it was possible to injure and then capture. Or just capture, as you had all the tools to do that.

Paradox's reasoning stands solid. I urge you to appeal whenever you feel like you want to start playing again, but I would give it a month to be sure.