CampinKiller Complaint

[Syncron]

BYOND Key: Evildwells666
Staff BYOND Key: CampinKiller
Game ID: coF-cLWM
Reason for complaint: Bwoinked for stating that stating that peoples beliefs that a G2 must be killed on sight as an antag is retarded.

Evidence/logs/etc: No screengrabs at this time, I can go back to get them if they are needed, as TGUI has the logs.

Additional remarks: Being bwoinked for using the english language in a non-derogatory way needs to stop. The word retarded being used to state something is stupid, in this case killing a G2 because it so much as injured someone, is not an incorrect usage. In no way was the term used in a derogatory way, and frankly, the fact Campin was one of the people saying G2s should be taken out 'Because they can be repaired later' makes it so his bwoink seems like he was trying to abuse his power as an admin after I said I was done with the arguement.

I have seen other people use the term retarded on IC, OOC, and all over, but suddenly its a problem when I say that your thoughts on killing a G2 immediately is such? No. I will complain until the end of the universe for getting bwoinked after the fact by someone who was trying to refute my points on OOC. The timing, and fact he was involved makes me outright believe it was an attempt to flaunt his power as a moderator.

 

I would like to add, nowhere in the rules does it specify that words moderaters deem 'against' the rules to be listed. You cannot expect anybody to know everything. Some words are obvious. I grew up with the word retarded. It was never meant in a derogatory way when I was growing up. It was a word for 'Stupid, Dumb', such as saying 'What you just did is stupid', or 'Doing that is stupid'. If Campin took it personally, when the context is, and was not used that way, thats on him.

https://aurorastation.org/rules.html

Edited July 6, 2023 by Syncron
finished complaint

[CampinKiller]

I did not agree that G2s should be taken out or killed as soon as they step out of line. Specifically, I said that they are difficult to take down non-lethally, because they are a robot, and with armor are quite strong. Never did I agree that they should be instantly valid for killing (other than a clearly meme response of "true" to someone joking that they should be decap'd for jaywalking). My contribution was just that they are difficult to take down in armor.

As I stated in the ticket, your opinion was not the issue, but rather the way in which you expressed it (calling other people's beliefs retarded, which is nothing but inflammatory). That kind of inflammatory statement is not something that's allowed, and directly violates the don't be a dick rule as well.

I've not (anytime recently) seen other people use retarded in IC or OOC, but something going unnoticed previously by staff does not mean it's a free pass for others.

EDIT: Game ID was coF-cLWM

[Syncron]

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calling other people's beliefs retarded, which is nothing but inflammatory

Except look at the context in which the statement was made. Did I say their beliefs as in their religion? No. I said their belief that killing G2s for commiting crimes that do not require that escalation is retarded. Words use context, just because you don't like a word doesn't mean you should ignore the context in which it is used.

Edited July 6, 2023 by Syncron

[Garnascus]

If the issue here is saying the word "retard" i can understand. It is an ableist slur and we generally forbid such things. For example we have not permitted "ligger" IC for years now. 

[Syncron]

8 minutes ago, Garnascus said:

If the issue here is saying the word "retard" i can understand. It is an ableist slur and we generally forbid such things. For example we have not permitted "ligger" IC for years now. 

Makes the rules reflect what you do not like. There is no open context in the rules stating 'Words not seen as politically correct should never be used, or we will slap warnings all over your record or ban you'

Some words have always been obvious as a 'No not say, or even use a alteration of that word'. Words ending with 2 g's, and an er comes to mind. This is obvious, and any alterations as such make it obvious. But those have been issues since the early 1990's. The word 'Retarded' has only been seen as a politically incorrect term by people for a few years. To me, it has always been just a term to say someone did something stupid. Such words are not immediately seen as bad by most people outside of the more common roblox generation.

EDIT: To add some context here. The word 'Retard', and 'Retarded', are seen with different contexts. Calling someone a retard? Yes, that is a slur, and it is cruel. But saying something is 'retarded', has always been seen as calling something stupid. The english language folks. Its not a good language.

Edited July 6, 2023 by Syncron
spellchecking

[Garnascus]

Our rules are not comprehensive. Since you linked to our rules yourself I am sure you read the bit at the top that says that our rules cannot possibly cover every situation. A staff member has the ability to tell you not do something even if its not explicitly against another rule. It seems campinkiller did not even give you a warning for this so you essentially received no punishment. Seems to be a reasonable ruling to me. 

[Syncron]

My complaint listing him is merely because he is the moderator in question. My main complaint, is that specific things need to be specified. As I said, especially with the english language, specific terms are very contextual in the way it was said. If possible, please see if something can be done in this regards.

This can be closed if there is no further issues.

[Garnascus]

We do not need a rule forbidding slurs. It is self-evident.

Locking and archiving.