Staff Complaint - Roostercat12

[Ephemeral]

BYOND Key: Higanbana
Total Ban Length: Permanent
Banning staff member's Key: roostercat12
Reason of Ban: As Xenobio, let a lot of slimes loose, spammed monkeys to get them to multiply, then left. Inessence, griefing.. [sic]
Reason for Appeal:
This ban was frustratingly incorrect, and simply untrue.

To begin, I was playing Xenobiology across multiple rounds, trying to collect all the cores before the round timer ended. So far, I had not been successful! Always a reset before finish. I had been interacting with other people playing science, and I figured Xenobio was a good way to start playing while being a bit isolated from the rest of the game and playing an old, familiar system. I had to go when around when the crew transfer was called for. With a freezer full of many cores, I proceeded to bolt down Xenobio after the other, fun skrell scientist-intern (Kono, thank you for helping out!!) had left. I did keep the blast doors open, and monkeys around, explicitly to avoid either losing them OR an accident where they went feral. They'd eat a monkey I touched, if they got out.

To summarize, I was simply playing Xenobiology, went AFK after taking precautions, and got banned because xenobiology looks like hell when it's run correctly. While a mess, probably, it meant actively that nobody was in danger while I was AFK, nor that I would lose my work so far if I got back in time to continue.

I come back with my logs still there, and a permanent ban. I notice that while what I expected occurred, no, no slimes were out of Xenobiology (nor could they have), and nobody was harmed except monkeys. Certainly not me, strapped to a chair and probably surrounded by a few that could be culled pretty swiftly because they would be placated.

As you may be able see in the logs, I actually had quite a lot of cores. If I was at all interested in griefing in the past 4 rounds I had played, cores would be quite easy to activate, yes. That was not what I was doing.

I know xenobiology is an underutilized system as it's played out and recorded, but it has also been in the game for the past 11 years. What I am describing is the actual mechanics of Xenobiology if you want to 'complete' it in under a round's end. I noticed as well that prior to this permanent being given, I had no admin PMs in my log. I will attach it for easy reference.

Thank you for your time! Have a wonderful day.

LogFileAuroraBan.txt

[Roostercat]

This is how it went for me. An ahelp came in that the Xenobiologist had let all the slimes/monkeys loose and DC'd at a desk. I teleported over to you, and you were standing, DC'd (without ahelping that you had to leave or using a cryo chamber, which is also against the rules) and you had at LEAST 25 slimes surrounding you with blood all on the floors and the corpses of monkeys strewn about. There is basically no way to do this on accident and it is certainly not "running correctly" when basically all of the slimes have broken loose. This looked like plain griefing, and honestly I still stand by the verdict. I'm not really willing to believe you simply went AFK when all the slimes were running amok.

 

That being said, is this an unban request or a staff complaint? It is written as being the latter, as unban appeals are for when you admit fault and acknowledge the ban. Can just move it over to the right section on the forums if so.

Edited September 13, 2023 by Roostercat

[Ephemeral]

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There is basically no way to do this on accident and it is certainly not "running correctly" when basically all of the slimes have broken loose. This looked like plain griefing, and honestly I still stand by the verdict. I'm not really willing to believe you simply went AFK when all the slimes were running amok.

1. You can see the logs for yourself that quite literally confirms my account; I posted them accordingly. The literal evidence of my account is present within, in addition to having had assistance and aid from other characters in the round. You are welcome to post the attack logs for yourself, accordingly, from that round- You'll absolutely find that no slime harmed a single non-monkey, and I can say that based both on said logs and the way I had set it up, Again. Xenobiology was inaccessible by outside parties due to properly using the bolting, and my logs will confirm that there is no way slimes could have escaped xenobiology despite being afk. I did have a high amount of slimes in the cells, but I equally was consistently processing them out for cores.

If you can give any conceivable way another player could have been affected by this functional setup that still clearly worked, I would find this a vaguely reasonable assumption. I noticed this xenobiology quite literally had a door bolt you can push a button for that precisely enables this form of lockdown without having to kill/frenzy all of your slimes.

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(without ahelping that you had to leave or using a cryo chamber, which is also against the rules)

2 . Please use cryogenic sleep whenever possible: it’ll free up the job slot for others. And please remember to store your gear in your office/work area before going to cryogenic sleep. Is the only rule I could find when I had reviewed the server rules, but I was intending to return to my computer as soon as possible. I think the relative swiftness and date timing at which I posted this appeal proves the intent more than enough.

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That being said, is this an unban request or a staff complaint? It is written as being the latter, as unban appeals are for when you admit fault and acknowledge the ban. Can just move it over to the right section on the forums if so.

3. Certainly move it over, if that is the purpose. I followed the given link to contest the ban.

[MattAtlas]

7 hours ago, Roostercat said:

There is basically no way to do this on accident and it is certainly not "running correctly" when basically all of the slimes have broken loose.

I should specify that it is possible for slimes to break through under some circumstances - mobs can sometimes clip through windoors by moving diagonally, and I'm pretty sure that angry slimes can break windows.

I'll be handling this, so give me like a day to check over everything.

[Ephemeral]

Thank you! I'd like to note that this is definitely the former case, since my logs don't have anything of the slimes breaking the window. I had still had to get adamantite/pyrite/silver after an unlucky hour. Given the colors of the slimes- You can see I had a rainbow already- I think it was the top-right cell that breached. Broken glass is harder to repair and more likely to result in damages and hostile slimes, so I had set things up the way I had.

You can even see (line 1629) that I had already harvested some gold slimes, as well as oil and black previously. If I had any intention of griefing, that capability was already there. I had read over the server rules, I had put effort into going over lore and making a character for chemistry/surgery as an older character with corporate history in Zeng-Hu Pharmaceuticals, but since I didn't want to risk ruining anyone's rounds from those (pretty time crucial) roles, I was playing Xenobio, a natural subset crossover, reading wiki pages, and helping out while playing in the round.

I'm pretty sure it looked very messy- The escapee probably lead to two splits, but I promise this was actively the safest way I could 'proof' the lab with the jankiness of xenobio without culling all the slimes and starting from scratch.

Thank you for looking at this, I appreciate it.

(tiny edit: Xenobio also looks very terrible when used, because monkeys constantly vomit when being fed on, and when put into the pipeline, they hit the glass and bleed everywhere. Soap in Xenobio would help a ton! There's not even space cleaner.)

Edited September 13, 2023 by Ephemeral
small note on xenobio structure

[MattAtlas]

I don't think you were griefing, but I can see how Rooster got that idea. Generally with new accounts we're pretty wary (there are more griefers than you might think!) and we are usually fairly heavy handed with permabans if we think they're here to mess around. Looking at the logs and the fact that you were putting effort into your xenobio work (doing cores, using bolts), it's clear to me that you're not a griefer.

That said, you certainly didn't make it easy for yourself. AFKing in the middle of Xenobio without ahelping when there are that many slimes is kind of dangerous, especially if you're new! To any staff that don't play xenobio or know its mechanics, it would look really suspicious. There's some uncertainty here on what exactly happened to the pens - either they were broken by slimes or you opened them - which would have been cleared up easily if you just gave us a heads up.

The ban will be lifted and replaced with a note detailing how you went AFK for a little too long. Next time, if you're AFK for long periods of time in a situation that's delicate or might look odd, remember to shoot us a quick ahelp.

[Ephemeral]

Thank you! This is good to close, I appreciate this. I apologize for being a bit terse in my post, I had been working fairly hard at trying to fully get that array and I hadn't wanted to lose my progress to needing to step away for something urgent- I'll try to keep that in mind.

Appreciated! This can be closed, accordingly.