Staff Complaint - abigbear

[restricted]

BYOND Key: Teddybehr
Staff BYOND Key: abigbear
Game ID: n/a
Reason for complaint: This ruling was an OOC response to an IC action. If this is the quality we would like to continue upholding for CCIA then I do not think the role benefits the server.
Evidence/logs/etc:

Additional remarks: I am not contesting that there were consequences, I am just contesting that such broad consequences for a mean letter is ridiculous, particularly for a character with a near spotless record and in a position of command. I had thought CCIA cause more trouble than they fix for a long time, but recently came off that. I am now realizing that is not the case.

 

I'd also like to say the original verdict for the IR absolutely warrants such a response. It is even more ridiculous than the punishment placed onto Karl.

Edited January 26 by restricted
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[Bear]

You IC'ly called your management incompetent multiple times, drunks, and using the vessel's and company's policies to further their own personal bad habits in a canon missive. I do not know what you expected beyond further IC punishment when we went for the lighter initial punishment for your behaviour in your IR (suspension was in your original potential punishments) due to your otherwise only mild record. The only other real option is termination from your position and people are fired for far less in the real world.

The additional CCIA causes more trouble than it fixes line is not needed.

Edited January 26 by Bear

[Arrow768]

I´ll handle this complaint as its a complaint against the CCIA Lead.

Let's start out with the initial IR:

First of all: I have not checked the logs of the round and I assume that what has been mentioned in the interviews/IR are actually facts. If that is not the case let me know.

I believe that a reprimand for giving a PAI a law to "annoy" a single crew member ("Annoy Imogen Janse") is relatively mild punishment and it might have led to a whitelist removal if ahelped.
In my opinion it is generally under the XOs purview to decide how to operate the Service department (if there is a fee for all or certain items or if certain items are served or not).
However, I do agree with CCIA to curtail that authority if a specific XO shows poor judgement (in that regard).

As such I believe the following reprimand to be warranted:

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Karl Voigt will be instructed to cease his orders that prohibited personnel "on duty or under arms" from being served liquor at the SCCV Horizon's bar. In addition he will be receiving a reprimand for using a PAI to harass another person onboard the vessel.

 

Let's continue with the appeal:

The first part to look at before posting in a subforum are the relevant subforum rules.

In those subforum rules it is stated that this is a IC Format where your character appeals their punishment with a higher authority.

With that in mind I have to agree with what bear said:

On 26/01/2024 at 23:28, Bear said:

You IC'ly called your management incompetent multiple times, drunks, and using the vessel's and company's policies to further their own personal bad habits in a canon missive. I do not know what you expected beyond further IC punishment when we went for the lighter initial punishment for your behaviour in your IR (suspension was in your original potential punishments) due to your otherwise only mild record. The only other real option is termination from your position and people are fired for far less in the real world.

Generally speaking, there are the following levels of IC Action by HR/CCIA:

• Informal Warning/Notice
• "Flavour Punishment" (i.e. "awareness training, ..."
• Reprimand
• (Temporary) Demotion
• optional: Suspension / other temporary removal from the ship
• Termination / Arrest / other permanent removal from the ship

As you have already received a Reprimand and doubled down by sending "a mean letter", the next step is a (temporary) Demotion.

I do not see how getting demoted to janitor after sending "a mean (ic) letter" like you did to CCIA is a "OOC Response to a IC action".

Edited January 28 by Arrow768
Added a missing letter

[Arrow768]

@restricted Unless there is anything else you would like to add I will close the complaint within 24h

[Arrow768]

As there has been no reply from @restricted this complaint will be closed without further action.