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After taking some time to review the complaint and rationale given by all parties. We've decided that this situation was not okay and violated several server rules. I'll explain a few things for the rationale we used in our conclusion: -As under-equipped, and under manned jungle pirates. Taking on the KAF outpost is not a sane decision. It is also something we are not okay with on the OOC level, which will also be enforced just as any other ghost role raiding unspawned 3rd parties that have not spawned. It discourages other players from joining the roles knowing their base has been raided with nothing they can do about it. From the IC standpoint, they are better equipped, better trained, and better positioned then you are. It's not logical or sane to think this fight would end in your favour and is rather suicidal. -Moving to Point Verdant. Trying to sell the weaponry in itself isn't a big deal. On a whole, I wasn't as much of a fan of the 5-cheung turning on you so quickly at least as the situation was described but that isn't something we're that interested in. We are, however, not okay with what happened when dealing with the police. Self-preservation is still applicable to all ghost roles along with the other character expectations and rules. After escaping, gearing up in combat armor with automatic weapons to stealthily raid a police station is by default self antagging, suicidal/without preservation, and a bit power gamey. You are in one of the most populated cities that is safe on Konyang. Assuming the police station would be empty because you have only seen the police superintendent doesn't make much sense. While server population may be low, and ghost roles are not actively taken. You should ALWAYS assume they are when dealing with how your character would approach this situation. Because of this, action will be applied to involved parties who will be notified over discord of the outcome, and the complaint will be closed and locked in 24 hours unless there is anything else.
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@hollyhock I've heard a lot of your ghost spawner partner's opinions on why the actions they took. But I would like to know if you have anything else to add or say about the situation as for why you guys took the steps you did.
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I will be handling this complaint with @Roostercat
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The CCIA was mentioned at several points here so I've been asked to give some clarification on the investigation that occurred as the head of the CCIA. The investigation, in question, was regarding a harassment claim between a group of characters pertaining to inappropriate workplace conduct. Which can be found here: I was approached in DM's by Melariara to drop the IR sometime after. However, after deliberations with my team, we decided this was not a situation that any HR department would let go without a modicum of investigation due to the nature of it due to it involving multiple people and having sexual undertones with the harassment for the reporting parties' preferences and lifestyle. Melariara had no influence on this decision or part of it, as she was involved. With this in mind, we utilized our authority as CCIA to pursue the IR without the consent of either party, which remains a function of ours. I hope this helps clarify the CCIA's part in this, which is minor to the entire discussion, but still relevant. Feel free to let me know if there are any questions.
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After reviewing the evidence, I have resolved this player complaint. The matter is handled and we will reach out on discord.
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After some deliberations with the CCIA Liaisons, I have opted to bin this IR. Involved players have been spoken to. The incident is retconned.
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After taking some time to read through is all I have some thoughts, but I would like to hear from @tomatik first. Tomatik can you take a moment to read through this complaint and comment on the points that are being raised? I will have some questions for you after this.
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I will be taking this complaint along with @ReadThisNamePlz. I'll be taking some time to read through the complaint and have questions to follow.
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Arrest Reports must only be filed by ghostrole Konyang National Police personnel. Arrest Reports must strictly be in IC format. Arrest Reports must be made using the format provided below. Incident Reports may only be submitted against regular station characters. Incident Reports may not be submitted against antagonists or situations heavily regulated by antag action. FORMAT Arresting officer (name+ckey): Suspect: Witnesses: Brief Summary: Released into the custody of: Supporting evidence: Suspect photograph:
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NJP's won't become a thing. Reassignments will only happen through a Captain or CCIA. Punishments must be spelled out for a multitude of reasons. I won't pursue the lobotomy route either. Being borged gives the now deceased antag the decision to either play the borg or die in which case they can wait out or ahelp for a respawn and simply join as a new character. I am still open to an alternative punishment idea but do not see a viable one at this time that would be suitable. The idea is solid @Evandorf to find an alternative, and if you come up with another one feel free to run it by me at any time as I would be fine with allowing a third alternative to HuT and Borg/Maroon for the non violent serious crimes. Until one is discovered, however I am also voting for dismissal. -1
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Lobotomies and borgings are essentially the same thing though one looks worse on paper then the other to a small extent. It doesn't really fix the issue. L.I.'s would but I don't see them coming back any time soon. So I am not sure there is a good middle-man option for antags. Unfortunately any punishment that ends up with cyborgification is typically an incredibly hostile act that resulted in someone's death or near death save for mutiny or kidnapping. So The other thing is I don't see any third option changing most regulations beyond things like mutiny and kidnapping.
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I understand that, however, it doesn't absolve the need of the announcements to conform to the expectations of standards for antagonist play and the rules. That is all the input I have for now, until the complaint is addressed.
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This is true, and while I find having a shock collar button funny, IDK how in line it would be with the setting for the corporations. I'm open to the discussion though as a third more permanent punishment besides HUT or Borging/Marooning for the crimes that are severe but also aren't "You killed someone." or were a terrorist. Regulations are easy to rework. The question is what are the options of this third "restraint" punishment and what is the most logical response based on that. A lot of crimes that aren't violent could easily be reworked into being offered a deal with the devil. I'd like to get some more input though on this specifically from the lore side @Triogenix and @La Villa Strangiato and the head maintainers/devs @Arrow768 and @MattAtlas as any game additions is the head devs realm before it reaches mine.
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This is essentially just a resprited loyalty implant. A shock collar is a bit too on the nose, so I don't see that really fitting our setting as if they're at the point they require such heavy subjugation, its simply more valuable to remove their brain. I'd be amenable to something like a L.I. were it re-added, however.
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Hi there, I stand by my decision by the utilization of an announcement tool to order command to kill a skrell and zeng-hu employees was not acceptable antagonist play. This kind of gimmick is both LRP and falls under improper escalation. Even if your intent was for it to be obviously fake, it still has to follow these guidelines. The rules may not comprehensively cover every single scenario, they are kept brief with the spirit of the gameplay in mind. From the rules: From the discord announcements per Readthisname: I'm sorry the interaction over our last few tickets have not gone as you hoped. I did explain in the first three minutes of the ticket that gimmicks need to be believable, drive a story, and follow proper escalation, and then again within the first 12. I left the ticket open to provide a line of dialogue if you had more questions or needed clarification on the rules in good faith.