Staff Complaint - Loorey

[Donaldo_TH]

BYOND Key: Donaldo_TH
Staff BYOND Key: Loorey
Game ID: cu4-deZB
Reason for complaint: I disagree with the reasoning behind my antag ban
Evidence/logs/etc: The chat log from my perspective: ss13-chatlog-20240805-230138.html
Additional remarks: The argumentation provided to me by the moderator who banned me was very vague and unclear. The two main arguments is him stating my gimmicks always spiral into something that is very non-interactive without providing any examples or other arguments. The second argument is me having past warning which are 6 months old and have since expired. Only one of the warnings is related to my performance as an antag. The two other arguments provided are that spacing the armory is very unfair to the security, but this argument is not viable because even while I was talking to the guy, security already started ordering NEW weapons which are better than the lost ones. The third agrument is that "messing with the security armory before security can act is frowned upon". The security had around 10-15 minutes to react to it while I was still inside, doing my thing. It is also slightly ironic that after the round ended, one of the players who I interacted with during the round, the investigator, told me they enjoyed it and consider me a good antag. I don't really want to bring other people in, but just something I want to mention.

I tried to keep this as short as I could, sorry if it's a bit too long, just wanted to adress anything that could be said against me.

[Loorey]

Hi. Let me comment on this to get some things out of the world.

48 minutes ago, Donaldo_TH said:

The two main arguments is him stating my gimmicks always spiral into something that is very non-interactive without providing any examples or other arguments.

This is my primary point and I'll further explain it to you right here for the sake of you understanding my thought process:

I'm not containing myself to this round exclusively with the punishment, it was just the final straw that made me decide on the punishment. The punishment resulted out of your behavior as antagonist, normal crew member and ultimately you as a player. Spectating rounds over the past days, I've seen you play as both antagonist and non-antagonist and your behavior is generally what I'd expect to see on lower RP servers, respectfully. One round namely being one where you, as non-antagonist, went around spreading slander on newscasters, leading up to multiple arrests of your characters and escalating up to your character engaging in a fistfight with the captain and ultimately deciding to commit suicide. Your gimmick today which was essentially and mainly disposing of the Security Armory so they cannot do anything against you was also not engaging at all in my eyes. Not only does the first thing I mentioned skim the line of self-antagonism and is very low RP - you've also gotten a warning for this, and that was very recent. Given this warning, and all the ones before that, I decided you should take some time to re-familiarize yourself with our rules.

48 minutes ago, Donaldo_TH said:

Only one of the warnings is related to my performance as an antag.

The line of escalation we usually take, if things are not too severe is Note -> Warning -> (Job)ban, as we give the players chances to act on their own behavior too. This is exactly what happened, not only have you received a warning related to antagonism (self-antagonism in that case) a few days ago, you also had one earlier this year.

48 minutes ago, Donaldo_TH said:

The two other arguments provided are that spacing the armory is very unfair to the security, but this argument is not viable because even while I was talking to the guy, security already started ordering NEW weapons which are better than the lost ones.

Regardless of Operations existing and having the ability of ordering weapons (which luckily they had, given there was a member of command / ops) this is still very frustrating for security, not engaging in any way or form and just bad sportsmanship - heavily frowned upon every time it happened before.

48 minutes ago, Donaldo_TH said:

told me they enjoyed it and consider me a good antag.

Whether or not that is the case, I am glad if it is, it does not cross out the fact that what you did was - at least in my eyes, not okay at all.

Here's, ultimately, my tl;dr: I will stand by my punishment, you deserve it and should re-familiarize yourself with our rules. It's just a 7-day antagonist ban. That is all I have to say, if there's specific questions anyone has that were not answered yet, do not hesitate.

Edited August 6 by Loorey
spelling hard,,,

[Donaldo_TH]

The point you're making is that I did something that only you didn't like. Players didn't have an issue with that, it was resolved very quickly and ultimately, did not harm the round or the roleplaying process in any way, but you personally did not like that, so you decided to punish me. I've yet to receive any elaboration regarding the "non-interactive" gimmicks I recently did.

I can compare the argument about having no weapons for a while for security with this: imagine punishing an antag for breaking someone's leg. Well, yes, there was a surgeon on shift who fixed the bone after, like, 5 minutes of waiting for him to prepare, but uhh it was still very frustrating for the victim, they've had to walk slowly for these 5 minutes and wait until the operation is complete! Yes, there are splints(in our case, bridge weapons) that can be used to mitigate the broken leg until it can be properly fixed.

[Roostercat]

Hi. Me and @Jasorn are taking this. Will post more soon.

[Jasorn]

Hello, we decided that @Loorey made the correct action in applying the antag ban regarding your decision to throw the entire security armory into space, along with previous history. You mentioned how you haven't been warned in 6 months, despite myself giving you a warning about rule breaks less than a week ago. The point of the ban is for you to take time off, review the rules, and better your future antag rounds. The ban is 7 days and you're welcome to make an unban appeal for it if you want, as this complaint seems directed towards Loorey's handling of explaining the problem and why the ban was placed, which seemed clear of what the issue was from our understanding of it.

If no other questions are made, this will be locked in 24 hours.

[Donaldo_TH]

I've re-read some of your arguments and re-evaluated some things with a clearer head, now that I've slept and actually, you do have a point and I agree with it. I have no questions and thank you for you time and swift response.