Tex-Mex Posted June 12 Posted June 12 (edited) BYOND Key: Norse_4 Staff BYOND Key: roostercat#0 Game ID: Case ID: [399] Reason for complaint: I do not believe a permanent ban is befitting the rule that I broke. I acknowledge and accept that I did in fact break the rules of the discord and I accept punishment, however, I do not agree that a permanent ban is the right action. I understand where I went wrong and will not make a mistake like it again. I will only say that I made the statement in jest and did not walk into general chat and proclaim I seriously wanted to shoot protestors. Aside from that, I believe that the original week appeal limit would be suitable to replace the ban length. I already regret my mistake and feel that losing the ability to interact with the community on the discord permanently is an unnecessary addition to my ban. I reiterate, I agree that I should be punished, and I agree that I broke the rules, and I will do better, but I believe the extent of the punishment is far too heavy-handed for what I did. The rules regarding punishments state that a permanent ban is generally to be issued after warnings and temporary bans have failed to curb player behavior. A permanent ban from the discord for my first offense is questionable at best. To my knowledge, I do not have any other administrative actions against me. This may be incorrect, but I have no way of seeing any of these. Evidence/logs/etc: Additional remarks: I apologize if this is the incorrect timing/thread to post this. I wasn't sure if I would be able to dispute the ruling before the listed appeal time. Edited June 13 by Tex-Mex Expanded on my reasoning.
Roostercat Posted June 15 Posted June 15 While generally strikes precede a ban, this is not a requirement for staff, as seen here in the rules; Bottom line, you made an inflammatory political statement that was against the rules - whether it was a joke or not - and we've had a rash of people doing this lately with no changes when striked, meaning people are not getting the message, so I am going to skip straight to bans in this case.
Tex-Mex Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 28 minutes ago, Roostercat said: While generally strikes precede a ban, this is not a requirement for staff, as seen here in the rules; Agreed, I never contended that you were required to strike or warn me before the ban, however, I was curious as to the reasoning behind your escalation to a permanent ban without such warning or lesser punitive action. 31 minutes ago, Roostercat said: Bottom line, you made an inflammatory political statement that was against the rules - whether it was a joke or not - and we've had a rash of people doing this lately with no changes when striked, meaning people are not getting the message, so I am going to skip straight to bans in this case. And I apologize for such, and I agree that I should have and do know better than to make such a statement in the future. However, I still believe that a jump to a permanent ban rather than a temporary ban was the wrong course of action. As far as I know, I haven’t been warned or struck for similar behavior in the past.
Yonnimer Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Hi, both myself and @maxspells will be handling this. We'll try to get a response sometime in a day or so.
Roostercat Posted June 16 Posted June 16 22 hours ago, Tex-Mex said: Agreed, I never contended that you were required to strike or warn me before the ban, however, I was curious as to the reasoning behind your escalation to a permanent ban without such warning or lesser punitive action. On 12/06/2025 at 03:14, Tex-Mex said: The rules regarding punishments state that a permanent ban is generally to be issued after warnings and temporary bans have failed to curb player behavior. 22 hours ago, Tex-Mex said: And I apologize for such, and I agree that I should have and do know better than to make such a statement in the future. However, I still believe that a jump to a permanent ban rather than a temporary ban was the wrong course of action. As far as I know, I haven’t been warned or struck for similar behavior in the past. This is the same as saying that strikes first are required, which they are not.
Tex-Mex Posted June 16 Author Posted June 16 9 minutes ago, Roostercat said: This is the same as saying that strikes first are required, which they are not. No. I acknowledge that striking and warning is not required, and that you are under no obligation to give them out, however, they are still valid punishments according to the rules. I do not feel that my actions warrant an immediate permanent ban from the discord over any other option of punishment at your disposal. I am not saying that you must be forced to strike or warn first, I am saying that you are still able to do so, and refused to.
Yonnimer Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Hi, after some discussion both myself and max are gonna have to agree that the punishment was valid here. While staff are under no obligation to strike first, we usually only do so when its an appropriate for whats happening. Generally, a post like this might not elicit one, but, Political posts/posts in extremely bad taste like this have been an issue on the discord recently for the past month, staff have had to strike and ban several people already, including sending an announcement mentioning it. At this point we're having to escelate punishments over it. However, since took a week and you do acknowledge the issue, we talked to rooster and will lift the ban without the need for an extra unban request. Just please try to avoid posts like this in the future, if you really need to double check something, just poke a staff member and we'll say if its acceptable or not. You should be able to rejoin the discord server whenever
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