Staff Complaint-BakaGaijin

[SmileyDemon]

BYOND Key:Smileydemon, BygoneHero

Staff BYOND Key:BakaGaijin

Reason for complaint: Unfairness, Bias Rulings, No Investigation to Incidents.

Evidence/logs/etc:

Additional remarks:

I debated for sometime making one of these, but straight to business. I multikeyed, I did, because my ban wasn't just or fair. Case in point http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2455&start=20 This is where it begins. I get harassed by a Well known, liked character on the server. I reciprocate their attitude with something equally annoying. Not once did I break synthetic laws. As admitting to metagrudging, sure I metagrudged, so long as you consider never interacting with that particular character again metagrudging.

But actually metagrudging? No. My actions in this round followed a logical pattern. I did not have an issue with Nurise prior to this besides the few snide moments, therefore there is nothing meta about it. Its simply a grudge. I admitted to metagrudging because complaining about a well known player on this server draws everyone's opinions, when the only ones that should matter are the admins. Being browbeaten into someone's line of thinking fits well into this clique and completely removes my side from consideration from the admins decision. ERP claims? I could write volumes of complaints on probably every single player for that. Innunendo aside, to further point out that I'm not crazy, and other people think Essel is overtly hostile ishttp://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2497&start=10

Again, someone posts complaining about a well known character and again opinions of the well liked character dissolve any actual investigation into antag-hunting. Far be it that the person might actually be overtly hostile?

Moving onward to http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2795&start=10 We see that BakaGaijin completely dismisses anything I said, even though I had involved another admin in the report, and they were going to get the logs for me. The Admin in question, Doomberg, would help me get the logs, as I did not know how to get logs for the incident. Whether or not they would have changed anything is irrelevant, the mere fact he dismissed it without even considering my argument is reason enough for me to think he's unfair. He didn't even leave the thread open for final comments, just locked and put away.

Finally, http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2518 This particular instance was handled by an admin, TishinaStalker I believe. They assisted me in contacting Hycinth over beyond. We hashed out the details but he was being fairly rude. With Tishina's help we resolved it there, but Hycinth never once locked the thread as they said they would. As for the complaint itself, BakaGaijin dismisses that not only myself, but two others that verify my story with the PAI being made crew by an ion law we had at the time. Locking someone in a room, a dangerous someone is not against Cyborg laws. I did not force Hycinth to beat themselves onto a electrical grill until they died.

All of this makes me despise BakaGaijin, not as a player, but as an admin. He/She Frequently seems to make judgement calls without considering alternatives, differing to the claims of well known, and established players. Personally, I like BakaGaijin as a player, but I would never respect any decision of theirs as an admin of this server. They were and never will be, fair.

As for me, I will continue to assist with the few sprite projects I've promised some of you but otherwise even if my ban is lifted, I don't think I would play on Aurora again.

Edited June 21, 2015 by Guest

[Guest]

BYOND Key:Smileydemon, BygoneHero

 

Ah, it finally comes full circle.

You got caught for circumventing bans, and that in itself is very, very shitty. Give me one reason anyone should consider anything you posted here. I myself don't have any pity for multikeyers, so you'll have to understand the distrust I have for you right now.

I'm pretty sure Baka would be more than willing to provide compiled proof just like in that thread where she completely thrashed your argument with a nice little compiled gallery of all of the info your two ckeys shared, right in this staff complaint thread.

Have a good one.

[SmileyDemon]

BYOND Key:Smileydemon, BygoneHero

 

Ah, it finally comes full circle.

You got caught for circumventing bans, and that in itself is very, very shitty. Give me one reason anyone should consider anything you posted here. I myself don't have any pity for multikeyers, so you'll have to understand the distrust I have for you right now.

I'm pretty sure Baka would be more than willing to provide compiled proof just like in that thread where she completely thrashed your argument with a nice little compiled gallery of all of the info your two ckeys shared, right in this staff complaint thread.

Have a good one.

 

This isnt about the ban, and I don't particularly care for your opinion on things. I would rather you avoid attacks on my character, as that is against the rules that were set for the complaints board. You can find them there if you didnt read them. http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2106 Please avoid posting in this thread unless it's constructive, thank you.

[Frances]

You got caught for circumventing bans, and that in itself is very, very shitty. Give me one reason anyone should consider anything you posted here. I myself don't have any pity for multikeyers, so you'll have to understand the distrust I have for you right now.

I'm pretty sure Baka would be more than willing to provide compiled proof just like in that thread where she completely thrashed your argument with a nice little compiled gallery of all of the info your two ckeys shared, right in this staff complaint thread.

That's got very little to do with whether the issue raised here is one worth considering or not.

Let's look at the info presented here first, then deal with the multikeying as a separate issue.

[Guest]

You have nothing for your case that suggests any sort of bias or a neglect to investigate actually occurred, Smiley.

[Guest Menown]

First, you were told to stop, and you lawyered your laws. "You never told me when to leave." That's you circumventing your laws by lawyering. You didn't want to follow your laws for the grudge. That's all there is.

Second, getting permission to cut open antags that have been taken out of the round by /security/ is not antag-hunting, as was ruled on in the thread Mirk made about her cutting antags open. If you want to be mad about that, be mad at the Command staff that authorized it.

Third, the reason the complaint about Hyc was closed was due to the fact that you filed an Incident Report on it, making it an IC issue. I've done the same, and found it useless as one or the other works, just don't do both.

Fourth, you being Wisewill/BygoneHero/SmileyDemon, have a /LONG/ history of doing bad things as an AI/Borg. (Sparkles, anyone?). Throwing all the complaints about your behavior aside, you've evaded your bans as you saw fit. You made no effort to change anything in regard to your behavior, and I'm assuming that this won't be the last we see of you.

[Frances]

Eh, time to give my take on this. I haven't got a clue what other people will say but perhaps it'll help to have the opinion of someone who isn't staff.

You posted about three separate incidents. Let's look at them.

1. This complaint.

Are you sure you understand the definition of metagrudging? Because what you did was to create a character with the specific intent of annoying another player/character, with you explicitly stating that you disliked that player/character personally and that this is what caused you to pose these actions. That's metagrudging. If you've got an OOC issue with someone/something, your best bet would've been to open a discussion thread on the forums like a mature individual, not create a BDSM bot to bug them IC.

I fail to see any bad calls from Baka there.

2. This complaint.

The logs you claim were ignored were actually posted by Hycinth there. Additionally, Baka stated that the complaint & logs were read through both by her & Doomberg (the other involved admin), so this isn't a case of anything being ignored, dismissed, or dealt with in an overly expedient manner.

3. This complaint.

You weren't punished for anything that was actually reported in that complaint. You were banned for multikeying to avoid your previous synthban. We could discuss that incident for a while if you wanted, but I don't think that was what was up for review once staff found out two of your accounts shared the same IP.

All in all, I don't think Baka did anything wrong.

[Guest]

Okay, I'm going to approach all of these points of argument as an observing third party. I have no bias as I was not involved in any of these complaints.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2455&start=20

One. You harassed another character (and by extension, the player) in IC with no tangible IC justification whatsoever. That is metagrudging. The decision was correct. Whatever punishment was applied was just and fair.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2497&start=10

Two. How does this justify anything? This complaint right here was attempting to police how a character is roleplayed in a gross extent. Never have I ever seen Phoebe openly hunt antags to cut into. The filer of the complaint was one of the affected victims that roleplayed a super-murder-boner-changeling and got robusted by security and handed off to Phoebe for it. Basically, the bias was real right in the original post of that complaint, not to mention the amounts of sodium chloride.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2795&start=10

Three. You claimed you were going to get logs supporting your case. You gave the administration updates on the logs, saying, "I'll get them." To quote Dreamboa- I mean, Doomberg, he did actually acquire the logs you were looking for, but they were already posted in the complaint by Hycinth. They weren't modified in any shape or form, at all.

 

[8:25:47 PM] Delta Thirty Eight: Did Smiley ever talk to you about some logs for some complaint?

[8:26:06 PM] Delta Thirty Eight: I'm busy writing up a vitriol-filled post countering this guy's Staff Complaint.

[8:26:09 PM] Dreamberg: He did. I had them saved and then I saw someone else posted them in non-fuckedu up-form.

 

Yaaaaay. Next point to bat out of the park, please.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2518

Okay, this one. See what Frances just said. You were punished for multikeying to bypass the synthban. The complaint was closed because you weren't even supposed to be a cyborg in the first place.

None of these complaints were questionable in any shape or form. You were punished accordingly in each shape and form due to the evidence compiled against you as a player and offender. Baka, in my eyes, would not have received a citation by Glorious Arstotskan Government for making the wrong decision.

[SmileyDemon]

Okay, I'm going to approach all of these points of argument as an observing third party. I have no bias as I was not involved in any of these complaints.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2455&start=20

One. You harassed another character (and by extension, the player) in IC with no tangible IC justification whatsoever. That is metagrudging. The decision was correct. Whatever punishment was applied was just and fair.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2497&start=10

Two. How does this justify anything? This complaint right here was attempting to police how a character is roleplayed in a gross extent. Never have I ever seen Phoebe openly hunt antags to cut into. The filer of the complaint was one of the affected victims that roleplayed a super-murder-boner-changeling and got robusted by security and handed off to Phoebe for it. Basically, the bias was real right in the original post of that complaint, not to mention the amounts of sodium chloride.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2795&start=10

Three. You claimed you were going to get logs supporting your case. You gave the administration updates on the logs, saying, "I'll get them." To quote Dreamboa- I mean, Doomberg, he did actually acquire the logs you were looking for, but they were already posted in the complaint by Hycinth. They weren't modified in any shape or form, at all.

 

[8:25:47 PM] Delta Thirty Eight: Did Smiley ever talk to you about some logs for some complaint?

[8:26:06 PM] Delta Thirty Eight: I'm busy writing up a vitriol-filled post countering this guy's Staff Complaint.

[8:26:09 PM] Dreamberg: He did. I had them saved and then I saw someone else posted them in non-fuckedu up-form.

 

Yaaaaay. Next point to bat out of the park, please.

http://aurorastation.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=2518

Okay, this one. See what Frances just said. You were punished for multikeying to bypass the synthban. The complaint was closed because you weren't even supposed to be a cyborg in the first place.

 

Look at my first quote by you, and try to be truthful about being objective. Thank you. The logs however were missing the beginning, when they broke into medical when I had a roller bed, completely invalidating their complaints about pulling. As for the point of the last complaint, It was actually one of the reasons he banned me, Lying to staff about this final issue. I in no way lied about that particular issue beyond multikeying and that was well after the fact.

Edited June 21, 2015 by Guest

[Guest]

We'll see about what Baka has to say on the matter, then?

And Doom already told me the logs were complete.

Edit: "Complete" as in "Not doctored." Because, you know, you don't get much besides fingerprints for picking up a roller bed. Unless you're Scopes. SCOPES LOGS RECORD EVERYTHING IF YOU WANT THEM TO.

Edited June 21, 2015 by Guest

[SmileyDemon]

We'll see about what Baka has to say on the matter, then?

And Doom already told me the logs were complete.

 

I would rather you not post anymore on this thread, this is a wasteful and unconstructive conversation we are having, thank you in advance.

[SmileyDemon]

1. This complaint.

Are you sure you understand the definition of metagrudging? Because what you did was to create a character with the specific intent of annoying another player/character, with you explicitly stating that you disliked that player/character personally and that this is what caused you to pose these actions. That's metagrudging. If you've got an OOC issue with someone/something, your best bet would've been to open a discussion thread on the forums like a mature individual, not create a BDSM bot to bug them IC.

 

I did not make that particular character to annoy them. It occurred spontaneously after a very rude interaction with Essel.

[SmileyDemon]

As for the logs that Hycinth provided, It begins when they stopped hitting the medi desk and were trying to climb over the table to get into medical. If our interaction began as the logs described, it would not make sense. They just go onto a place and climb over a table without even asking for help from a doctor?

[SmileyDemon]

First, you were told to stop, and you lawyered your laws. "You never told me when to leave." That's you circumventing your laws by lawyering. You didn't want to follow your laws for the grudge. That's all there is.

Second, getting permission to cut open antags that have been taken out of the round by /security/ is not antag-hunting, as was ruled on in the thread Mirk made about her cutting antags open. If you want to be mad about that, be mad at the Command staff that authorized it.

Third, the reason the complaint about Hyc was closed was due to the fact that you filed an Incident Report on it, making it an IC issue. I've done the same, and found it useless as one or the other works, just don't do both.

Fourth, you being Wisewill/BygoneHero/SmileyDemon, have a /LONG/ history of doing bad things as an AI/Borg. (Sparkles, anyone?). Throwing all the complaints about your behavior aside, you've evaded your bans as you saw fit. You made no effort to change anything in regard to your behavior, and I'm assuming that this won't be the last we see of you.

 

I never posted an incident report and this sounds alot like opinions. If you have evidence or constructive insight, which you have added in some of your post, please feel free continue doing so.

[Guest]

How did Baka do wrong here again? You're flailing in circles and this is slowly becoming unfunny.

[Baka]

Disclaimer: I dig through EVERY SINGLE CASE brought up to me and I read, re-read, talk to staff and people involved, and consider what is on the table before making actions.

Now, on to this complaint. This is my response.

The first one I found evidence in the logs suggesting a metagrudging behaviour and an actual threat of reporting someone to byond because they told you to stop harassing them. They constantly told you to go away, and you lawyering your laws. You have notes against you for tip toeing laws as a cyborg. What rule is that?

2. Serve: Serve the crew of your assigned space station to the best of your abilities, with priority as according to their rank and role.

 

You were told to leave them alone. Your response was acting like some sort of cyborg gimp and then threatening people on looc for reporting them to byond. I found reason to give you a week synthetic ban to deter you from constantly repeating tip toeing actions.

The second one was ruled that command brought Essel a murderous, mysterious humanoid and ordered them to research their eyes, due to their 'flashing properties'. Essel didn't go out in the hallway with an AED and hunt down the antag. It was a circumstance where she got her hands on them thanks to her superiors just handing him off to her. It's an IC issue.

The third one, Hycinth's logs fits the bill of what Doomberg had, and upon reading it, we chalked it up as 'you dragged and hurt a patient even more, and nobody really died but they were severely injured, be more careful in the future.'

The fourth one was one that I took to admin chat about. I asked for the last time bygonehero signed on because I wanted you to explain your actions as to what happened. Scopes pulled it up but notice that you had three keys, one that was involved in the complaint, your regular account, and Wisewill, another player with a history of playing a line toeing synthetic. He was the one that digged for hours piercing together and presented it to me.

I got everything on the evening before your permaban, but I presented it to you the day after because I was not just going to ban you straight on the spot. I could then and there, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt and contact you.

And I asked you about bygonehero's case in admin PM.

You said you would get him to reply to the thread.

I asked if you were sure he was your roommate.

You still held true to your words, insisting this roommate was an actual person.

Then I asked, "You wouldn't lie to me, would you?"

You said.

"Yea."

And then that's when I showed you the pure, uncensored version of the picture I posted in your complaint. And for minutes, you didn't reply, until you did, and in the most defensive, passive aggressive way. I gave you a chance to come clean and not to lie to me. I gave you strong hints that something was off. And yet, you chose to continue your lie.

I volunteered to work the complaints board to look at the cold hard facts, and make decisions base solely on that. I make all my intentions clear. If I make a mistake, I man up to it, apologize, and double check my work to see where I goofed up.

But I assure you, I feel I made no mistakes in my calls that you pointed out.

[SmileyDemon]

I make all my intentions clear.

 

But you don't. You and Doomberg didn't say that you gave each other anything, You still haven't considered that perhaps a misanthropic psychopath posing as a nurse might be out of place on a space station and might even piss people off by being overtly aggressive/rude All the time, it gets tiring. You avoided answering the original complaint hashing up a matter thats already resolved. Yes, I multikeyed. We know that, but avoiding the basis of the complaint completely? When this is ALL about your intentions?

[Guest]

What I'm about to say, is my own statement, and not directly shared of that of anyone else here. I take accountability for what I'm about to post.

You are a spiteful, vindictive piece of shit. You are unable to take accountability for your actions, and yet you yourself demand an administrator, someone who does this not only for free, but to better benefit the community and the playerbase and to enjoy a job well done for the sake of the server, to answer to you? They don't owe you anything. You should be grateful the administration didn't decide to ban you on the spot with the compiled information that had against you (and not your pretend 'you', that being your 'roommate.'). You should be grateful that they gave you a chance to come clean and take a lighter punishment. But, you didn't. You had to be 'that guy'. I doubt anyone will consider you even trying for an unban appeal now. You're very clearly out for blood, and nobody should even consider what you've said because of it.

You certainly do not belong here. I don't think anyone has any room or time for your bullshit.

Peace out, have a nice life. This'll be my last post on this absolute shitpost of a complaint, and I hope it gets promptly locked because of the amazing stupidity I've just witnessed lapse over a few hours. This'll probably get reported and removed before you see it, but I'd definitely feel a lot better knowing you'll never be back.

[SmileyDemon]

What I'm about to say, is my own statement, and not directly shared of that of anyone else here. I take accountability for what I'm about to post.

You are a spiteful, vindictive piece of shit. You are unable to take accountability for your actions, and yet you yourself demand an administrator, someone who does this not only for free, but to better benefit the community and the playerbase and to enjoy a job well done for the sake of the server, to answer to you? They don't owe you anything. You should be grateful the administration didn't decide to ban you on the spot with the compiled information that had against you (and not your pretend 'you', that being your 'roommate.'). You should be grateful that they gave you a chance to come clean and take a lighter punishment. But, you didn't. You had to be 'that guy'. I doubt anyone will consider you even trying for an unban appeal now. You're very clearly out for blood, and nobody should even consider what you've said because of it.

You certainly do not belong here. I don't think anyone has any room or time for your bullshit.

Peace out, have a nice life. This'll be my last post on this absolute shitpost of a complaint, and I hope it gets promptly locked because of the amazing stupidity I've just witnessed lapse over a few hours. This'll probably get reported and removed before you see it, but I'd definitely feel a lot better knowing you'll never be back.

 

This was never about being unbanned, it was about a complaint I had, which despite what you might think about me has been productive. If what Baka said was true then about half of my issue with them was a failure of communication and you are getting pretty upset because of this. I'm actually surprised. Do you think the real world works like that? Sure they do it for free, but when you offer a service, and set rules you expect to receive a fair service and for the rules to be abided by. I did wrong, but in my own way I did wrong because I felt I was done wrong. Many problems in life are like this, and if you just calm down for a moment, you might see that not everything is as vulgar as you think it is.

EDIT: This alludes to a problem with complaints in general, with anyone being able to post. Most servers have a policy that if you aren't directly involved with an issue you aren't allowed to post on it. For this very reason.

[Baka]

I make all my intentions clear.

 

But you don't. You and Doomberg didn't say that you gave each other anything, You still haven't considered that perhaps a misanthropic psychopath posing as a nurse might be out of place on a space station and might even piss people off by being overtly aggressive/rude All the time, it gets tiring. You avoided answering the original complaint hashing up a matter thats already resolved. Yes, I multikeyed. We know that, but avoiding the basis of the complaint completely? When this is ALL about your intentions?

 

Doomberg and I work every day together when we have work to do. I always ask him for things, he always ask me for things. This goes without saying.

I have considered it, but in the complaint you have raised, it's an IC issue, one that duty officers are more equipped to handle than myself or any other non-DO staff.

And finally, in case I didn't elucidate on the subject enough, the complaint was being investigated, but a bigger matter happened. That being, the matter of finding you multikeying while suspended from playing synthetics and on top of that breaking your laws under the multikey by chucklefucking with a pAI, that's a big red no.

And then, lying about it.

So I did my job, and permabanned you. Because that was a gross violation of our rules.

[SmileyDemon]

breaking your laws under the multikey by chucklefucking with a pAI, that's a big red no.

 

This is what I mean. I didn't break my laws by chucklefucking around with a pAI, that pAI was a member of the crew, a member of the crew that one of the crew murdered, this is not just me saying this, but multiple people. This is partly why all of this happened and why I feel you overlook things.

[Baka]

We were going to discuss how badly you were chucklefucking in the admin chat, but instead something more interesting popped up, and we decided it was far more important to ask "Why is smileydemon multikeying and playing synthetics in the first place when they were jobban from it for a week."

But that is not relevant. You shouldn't have been multikeying to play synthetics while a ban was in place, even if you felt like 'the ban was wrong'. Bottom line, I am not repeating myself again.

[Hycinth]

The logs however were missing the beginning, when they broke into medical when I had a roller bed, completely invalidating their complaints about pulling.

 

If you had a rollerbed (which you didn't), then why didn't you use it instead of dragging me around, hm?

[Skull132]

As a note. I am not available until tomorrow to review this.

[Chaznoodles]

I believe this is an abuse report and not a ban appeal, so screeching about the bans isn't really doing anything but derailing the thread. I'd recommend focusing on the issues brought up, such as;

 

Being browbeaten into someone's line of thinking fits well into this clique and completely removes my side from consideration from the admins decision

Again, someone posts complaining about a well known character and again opinions of the well liked character dissolve any actual investigation into antag-hunting.

We see that BakaGaijin completely dismisses anything I said, even though I had involved another admin in the report,

He/She Frequently seems to make judgement calls without considering alternatives, differing to the claims of well known, and established players. Personally, I like BakaGaijin as a player, but I would never respect any decision of theirs as an admin of this server. They were and never will be, fair.