Staff Complaint: IncognitoJesus

[spacevoidagent]

BYOND Key: spacevoidagent

Staff BYOND Key: IncognitoJesus

Reason for complaint: The Warning I was given is absolutely absurd and untrue, and the whole situation is bologna.Evidence/logs/etc: I don't have any logs of the PM's because I disconnected twice, but here is a picture of the warning I received. https://gyazo.com/f7838544b2af498b98aeb8ce8fc6b1ae

Additional remarks: This Entire warning is untrue and ridiculous. I made no nazi related remarks other than "I wish I was in the Waffen SS" and German quotes like "Arbeit Macht Frei", and "Meine Ehre heißt Treue", these two have a negative reception but they shouldn't. I said "Arbeit Macht Frei" because me and others were posting German quotes in OOC, and this was what I thought of first. I then said "I wish I was in Waffen SS." and "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" which apparently is unacceptable and offends people. Before all this, others were posting links to 'Nazi' music (Which is a completely uninformed and rude statement.) and all I did was post FIVE Lyrics to a marching song called Erika, which is about a girl at home. I was never told to stop before that, but am being told I was. Shortly after I WAS told to stop and I did, but I translated "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" because someone asked me too, so I did. After I translated it, I was muted and told I was getting muted for the rest of the round and was going to be given a warning. I attempted to explain I did nothing, and IJ told me, and I quote, "If you can stop Lawyering that'd be great." When he said this, I completely lost all of my little respect I had left for him at that point. That statement is rude, stupid, and just abusive because he knew that his argument was lacking and false. Now back to the warning, I made 'Nazi' related remarks, which means I posted stuff in OOC of the German language, and quotes related to WWII. It also says I made Hitler remarks ICly, which IS ENTIRELY FALSE. I was the Virologist that round, and sat in my lab trying to do my work without Disks (Which Virology needs) and ultimately failed once I had no way to save the diseases. I never talked over the radio, other then over general asking Science for Disks, and telling Safiya Isra in Medical that the genetics disk she gave me didn't work with my machines and I left it outside her Lab. Saying I reportedly made Hitler remarks is a joke, and a further attempt from IJ to get me in trouble/make him sound correct. I hope the fellow players read this complaint with a open mind and I encourage them to comment and ask questions regarding the situation.

[Frances]

If people want to talk about Hitler on general comms, I don't think they should be stopped from doing so (maybe because IC comms tend to be fairly tame.) But if admins ask you to stop talking about Hitler in OOC, you... should probably stop talking about Hitler in OOC.

And like... we can take a look at the stuff you posted, if you want. If you're going to claim that it isn't Nazi-related, I mean. You posted the lyrics to a marching song of the Wehrmacht, said you wished you were in the SS, and I guess there's nothing technically negative with the phrase "Arbeit Macht Frei", except for this minor instance:

 

But hey, it's just German culture things, right?

[spacevoidagent]

If people want to talk about Hitler on general comms, I don't think they should be stopped from doing so (maybe because IC comms tend to be fairly tame.) But if admins ask you to stop talking about Hitler in OOC, you... should probably stop talking about Hitler in OOC.

And like... we can take a look at the stuff you posted, if you want. If you're going to claim that it isn't Nazi-related, I mean. You posted the lyrics to a marching song of the Wehrmacht, said you wished you were in the SS, and I guess there's nothing technically negative with the phrase "Arbeit Macht Frei", except for this minor instance:

 

But hey, it's just German culture things, right?

You must have not read my entire post, I said I NEVER talked about Hitler, and never talked about him in OOC.

There is nothing wrong with the marching song or being in the Waffen SS, they were just soldiers. Some committed murder, most didn't. I can understand the "Arbeit Macht Frei" concerns, but had no intentions to offend or try to represent Concentration Camps with the statement. I think the holocaust was a bad thing, but is over dramatized and other things happened that were worse then the Holocaust. For example, Stalin killing 20 million of his own Citizens, and around 23 million Chinese killed by the Japanese, also, the American camps for German Prisoners and Japanese-Americans in the United States.

You are also missing the point about 'German culture things', because they said that simple marching songs and songs in German language were 'Nazi' songs. If I posted Russian songs would they be considered Communist, just because they were sung by a communist nation? Many of the songs posted had no direct correlation to 'Nazis' unless I missed lyrics about Death Camps, Kristallnacht, or the NSDAP party.

[Frances]

I can understand the "Arbeit Macht Frei" concerns, but had no intentions to offend or try to represent Concentration Camps with the statement.

Okay, I just want to start by looking at that statement alone because that's the easiest thing to do for this complaint right now.

What exactly were you trying to say/represent by posting "Arbeit Macht Frei" in OOC?

[spacevoidagent]

I can understand the "Arbeit Macht Frei" concerns, but had no intentions to offend or try to represent Concentration Camps with the statement.

Okay, I just want to start by looking at that statement alone because that's the easiest thing to do for this complaint right now.

What exactly were you trying to say/represent by posting "Arbeit Macht Frei" in OOC?

 

It was just a joke and a quote that came to mind.

[Frances]

It was just a joke and a quote that came to mind.

But it was not meant to represent concentration camps.

[spacevoidagent]

It was just a joke and a quote that came to mind.

But it was not meant to represent concentration camps.

No, it was not. It was a simple, misinterpreted joke that went astray.

[Frances]

The defense rests its case.

[incognitojesus]

Keep the OOC chat PG-13. Violence is expected in-game; this is SS13. However, avoid bringing up hateful or overly sexual topics.

I'm sure we can all agree that bringing up Nazis in a positive way is bad, right?

Especially, with resounding and riveting quotes such as,

I wish I was in the Waffen SS.

This is the quote that got OOC muted, and the reason I was prompted to speak to Space in the first place. Why anybody in their right mind would think it's okay to say this, is beyond me, but I digress.

The Warning I was given is absolutely absurd and untrue, and the whole situation is bologna.

The warning you were given is as follows,

Warning added by incognitojesus, for: Making Nazi-related remarks in OOC, after being told to stop and OOC was muted. Reported making Hitler jokes ICly.. || Notes regarding the warning: "OOC: Spacevoidagent: I wish I was in Waffen SS " " OOC: Spacevoidagent: Arbeit Macht Frei! OOC: Spacevoidagent: Arbeit Macht Frei!" "OOC: Spacevoidagent: I want to make a nazi char again " If you need the logs, check the round at 10:45 PM GMT..

Now, we have to wait for Scopes to wake up to pull logs, but I distinctly remember you attempting to justify your comment about wanting to be a part of the Waffen SS by saying they were great warriors, etc. And because they weren't all camp guards, etc. Which, once again, I don't understand. That's like saying it's okay to support ISIS because some of the people who support ISIS are probably nice guys and stuff. It's a baseless argument.

But let's continue, shall we? You were warned specifically for making Nazi-related remarks in OOC. Not only were you told to stop with the Nazi marching songs by several people, including myself, Voltage, and Baka, you persisted with the Nazi-related remarks such as,

Meine Ehre heißt Treue

Which, for those of you who didn't do a simple Google search, is a quote by Adolf Hitler, nonetheless, after the Stennes Revolt, which later became the motto of the SS. It translates to, "My honour is called loyalty."

 

Before all this, others were posting links to 'Nazi' music (Which is a completely uninformed and rude statement.)

Those people were also spoken to, in fact. And before you go off about saying it was a completely uninformed and rude statement, let's do a history lesson.

The song, "Erika," was composed by a German man named Herms Niel, in the 1930's. It doesn't have anything Nazi-related in the song itself, alright, and I wouldn't have paid any mind to it other than the fact that it's not English, which you were told about several times. Okay, that's fine, but it was also written by a man who, well, I'll let Wikipedia take it from here.

Niel, who joined the NSDAP in early May 1933 and became a leading Kapellmeister at the Reichsarbeitdienst, created numerous marches that largely served the National Socialist propaganda campaigns.

This aforementioned factoid is exacerbated by the fact that before you ardently proclaimed your passion for the Waffen SS and your desire to join it, you stated that you loved their marching music.

 

No, it was not. It was a simple, misinterpreted joke that went astray.

Yes, if by misinterpreted you mean taken for what it has stood for for the past seventy years, sure. I'm going to have to call BS on this, for the simple fact that, well, you continued with your tirade after the fact. If it had stopped there, honestly, I probably wouldn't have noticed, or at least wouldn't have muted you from OOC, because well, over-policing the playerbase is butts. But the fact that you were offending people and continued after you were told in OOC to stop made it so that I had to take further action.

 

I think the holocaust was a bad thing, but is over dramatized and other things happened that were worse then the Holocaust. For example, Stalin killing 20 million of his own Citizens, and around 23 million Chinese killed by the Japanese, also, the American camps for German Prisoners and Japanese-Americans in the United States.

Ah, I see. Are you really trying to say that your comments are okay because their K/D ratio wasn't as high as other nations? Really, is that your way to defend yourself?

I don't know how to put this gently, so I'll be blunt. You stated that the warning was untrue, absurd, when the warning entailed that you mentioned Nazi-related things in OOC.

You, yourself, admitted you said things such as, "I wish I was in the Waffen SS," and "Abreit Macht Frei", which Frances covered with the fact that it literally hung on top of numerous entrances to concentration camps. But that's okay, not like you mentioned Nazis or military regiments connected to the Nazis after that or anything, right?

[VoltageHero]

The main issue is this.

You and another player who were making jokes, were told to stop no less than three times by the staff team, and you refused to.

The things regarding Hitler, was due to another player reportedly seeing this take place, and let the Staff team know. It may be important if the player who said this to back the claim up.

Also, you claimed that it was a joke. That said, you were told to stop and you didn't. Even if you aren't offended by jokes like this, some people may. You said it wasn't supposed to a certain way, but how was anybody supposed to know that, at the time? You didn't seek to clear it up in OOC, or with any players (I can't recall if you tried with staff).

Here is a question that I think needs to be raised, because OOC a lot of times devolves into discussion of Nazis and debates about WWII. This is both directed to Space, and players who think it's appropriate to bring jokes up about Nazis (which you did admit you did) into OOC. Is this REALLY something that needs to be brought up in OOC?

Also, you stated:

Before all this, others were posting links to 'Nazi' music (Which is a completely uninformed and rude statement.)

 

You sure? One of the links that was posted was, if I'm recalling correctly, literally a song about Nazis. Unless, of course, there was another reason to have a Nazi flag on the screen for the entire song. I mean, I could be wrong there, but normally when I see a Nazi flag in a song, I assume it has something to do with Nazis.

Also, just because others are doing it, doesn't mean you have to right to do so as well. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[spacevoidagent]

The main issue is this.

You and another player who were making jokes, were told to stop no less than three times by the staff team, and you refused to.

The things regarding Hitler, was due to another player reportedly seeing this take place, and let the Staff team know. It may be important if the player who said this to back the claim up.

Also, you claimed that it was a joke. That said, you were told to stop and you didn't. Even if you aren't offended by jokes like this, some people may. You said it wasn't supposed to a certain way, but how was anybody supposed to know that, at the time? You didn't seek to clear it up in OOC, or with any players (I can't recall if you tried with staff).

Here is a question that I think needs to be raised, because OOC a lot of times devolves into discussion of Nazis and debates about WWII. This is both directed to Space, and players who think it's appropriate to bring jokes up about Nazis (which you did admit you did) into OOC. Is this REALLY something that needs to be brought up in OOC?

Also, you stated:

Before all this, others were posting links to 'Nazi' music (Which is a completely uninformed and rude statement.)

 

You sure? One of the links that was posted was, if I'm recalling correctly, literally a song about Nazis. Unless, of course, there was another reason to have a Nazi flag on the screen for the entire song. I mean, I could be wrong there, but normally when I see a Nazi flag in a song, I assume it has something to do with Nazis.

Also, just because others are doing it, doesn't mean you have to right to do so as well. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Well I was never told to stop, and the only time I was, was after I said Meine Ehre heißt Treue. I stopped, but then typed Meine Ehre heißt Treue = My Honor is Loyalty, because someone asked for me to translate it. This was when I was muted and accused of not stopping when asked.

All the links that I clicked didn't have a Nazi meaning and must have missed that one. The Nazi flag on the screen doesn't mean it was a 'Nazi' song, it was just a song of the Nazi Party/German Military. If I posted a song in Russian, and the image was a sickle and hammer, would it be a communist song? Not necessarily.

Regarding the IC Hitler jokes (Which never happened, mind you.) I do ask that whomever made those claims steps up or IJ tells us who made those claims, because I made no Hitler jokes whatsoever.

Regarding talking about WW2, Nazis, etc. we talk about it alot because it is a interesting topic. Other players were making jokes that led to it, and it eventually escalated to this.

[spacevoidagent]

Keep the OOC chat PG-13. Violence is expected in-game; this is SS13. However, avoid bringing up hateful or overly sexual topics.

I'm sure we can all agree that bringing up Nazis in a positive way is bad, right?

Especially, with resounding and riveting quotes such as,

I wish I was in the Waffen SS.

This is the quote that got OOC muted, and the reason I was prompted to speak to Space in the first place. Why anybody in their right mind would think it's okay to say this, is beyond me, but I digress.

The Warning I was given is absolutely absurd and untrue, and the whole situation is bologna.

The warning you were given is as follows,

Warning added by incognitojesus, for: Making Nazi-related remarks in OOC, after being told to stop and OOC was muted. Reported making Hitler jokes ICly.. || Notes regarding the warning: "OOC: Spacevoidagent: I wish I was in Waffen SS " " OOC: Spacevoidagent: Arbeit Macht Frei! OOC: Spacevoidagent: Arbeit Macht Frei!" "OOC: Spacevoidagent: I want to make a nazi char again " If you need the logs, check the round at 10:45 PM GMT..

Now, we have to wait for Scopes to wake up to pull logs, but I distinctly remember you attempting to justify your comment about wanting to be a part of the Waffen SS by saying they were great warriors, etc. And because they weren't all camp guards, etc. Which, once again, I don't understand. That's like saying it's okay to support ISIS because some of the people who support ISIS are probably nice guys and stuff. It's a baseless argument.

But let's continue, shall we? You were warned specifically for making Nazi-related remarks in OOC. Not only were you told to stop with the Nazi marching songs by several people, including myself, Voltage, and Baka, you persisted with the Nazi-related remarks such as,

Meine Ehre heißt Treue

Which, for those of you who didn't do a simple Google search, is a quote by Adolf Hitler, nonetheless, after the Stennes Revolt, which later became the motto of the SS. It translates to, "My honour is called loyalty."

 

Before all this, others were posting links to 'Nazi' music (Which is a completely uninformed and rude statement.)

Those people were also spoken to, in fact. And before you go off about saying it was a completely uninformed and rude statement, let's do a history lesson.

The song, "Erika," was composed by a German man named Herms Niel, in the 1930's. It doesn't have anything Nazi-related in the song itself, alright, and I wouldn't have paid any mind to it other than the fact that it's not English, which you were told about several times. Okay, that's fine, but it was also written by a man who, well, I'll let Wikipedia take it from here.

Niel, who joined the NSDAP in early May 1933 and became a leading Kapellmeister at the Reichsarbeitdienst, created numerous marches that largely served the National Socialist propaganda campaigns.

This aforementioned factoid is exacerbated by the fact that before you ardently proclaimed your passion for the Waffen SS and your desire to join it, you stated that you loved their marching music.

 

No, it was not. It was a simple, misinterpreted joke that went astray.

Yes, if by misinterpreted you mean taken for what it has stood for for the past seventy years, sure. I'm going to have to call BS on this, for the simple fact that, well, you continued with your tirade after the fact. If it had stopped there, honestly, I probably wouldn't have noticed, or at least wouldn't have muted you from OOC, because well, over-policing the playerbase is butts. But the fact that you were offending people and continued after you were told in OOC to stop made it so that I had to take further action.

 

I think the holocaust was a bad thing, but is over dramatized and other things happened that were worse then the Holocaust. For example, Stalin killing 20 million of his own Citizens, and around 23 million Chinese killed by the Japanese, also, the American camps for German Prisoners and Japanese-Americans in the United States.

Ah, I see. Are you really trying to say that your comments are okay because their K/D ratio wasn't as high as other nations? Really, is that your way to defend yourself?

I don't know how to put this gently, so I'll be blunt. You stated that the warning was untrue, absurd, when the warning entailed that you mentioned Nazi-related things in OOC.

You, yourself, admitted you said things such as, "I wish I was in the Waffen SS," and "Abreit Macht Frei", which Frances covered with the fact that it literally hung on top of numerous entrances to concentration camps. But that's okay, not like you mentioned Nazis or military regiments connected to the Nazis after that or anything, right?

 

I did say that not all Waffen SS are bad, because it is true, were all of them murderers and camp guards? No they were not, most were on the front lines, and strong, noble warriors. They fought hard until the surrender of Germany, and were feared and respected by all the nations of WW2. You're argument is not really valid, because ISIS is a terrorist organization, not a true fighting force or registered military branch. Since Marines in Vietnam committed the My Lai massacre, does this mean all Marines are murderers and killers? No.

Just because the man was a composer for the NDSAP doesn't make the song 'Nazi' or evil. It's a catchy song, with a good meaning. If I am a composer for the United States, does that mean I am a congressman, or a Democracy supporter? No. Just because he is in the group/conducts music for them doesn't mean the song I mentioned is 'Nazi'.

And once again, I was never told to stop, and when I infact was told to stop, I DID, but then translated "Meine Ehre heißt Treue", for which I was muted and then punished. If I offended anyone with my 'Tirade' I apologize, for I had no intentions.

And no, IJ, Im not using 'They had a Better K/D' as an excuse, and if you think that, you have to be joking. That is so immature, and frankly, one of the most retarded things I have ever heard. Just saying other nations had a higher K/D is just ridiculous.

[Frances]

You were told to stop, you didn't, you got a warning.

That seems like a reasonable escalation of punishments to me, no?

[spacevoidagent]

You were told to stop, you didn't, you got a warning.

That seems like a reasonable escalation of punishments to me, no?

 

How many times do I have to say it. I was never told to stop until AFTER all the things were said. I complied, and another player in OOC asked for "English?" of what I said last, which was "Meine Ehre heißt Treue", so I did. I translated it for them, and said: "Meine Ehre heißt Treue = My Honor is Loyalty." shortly after this, I was muted and given a stern talking to by IJ.

[VoltageHero]

You were told to stop, you didn't, you got a warning.

That seems like a reasonable escalation of punishments to me, no?

 

How many times do I have to say it. I was never told to stop until AFTER all the things were said. I complied, and another player in OOC asked for "English?" of what I said last, which was "Meine Ehre heißt Treue", so I did. I translated it for them, and said: "Meine Ehre heißt Treue = My Honor is Loyalty." shortly after this, I was muted and given a stern talking to by IJ.

 

This is not true. While my memory may be getting shittier by the day, I distinctly remember you and another player speaking about these things in OOC, and told multiple times to stop, before the last one.

The most likely thing that happened is that you glanced over them multiple times somehow. You were told to stop, before the last one. You keep saying you weren't, but as I'm sure other people can tell you, you were.

[Guest Menown]

Hi. I was a witness. Several attempts by /different/ staff members were made to tell you to stop at several different points in your discussion. You didn't. Enjoy your warning and have fun with that.

[spacevoidagent]

You were told to stop, you didn't, you got a warning.

That seems like a reasonable escalation of punishments to me, no?

 

How many times do I have to say it. I was never told to stop until AFTER all the things were said. I complied, and another player in OOC asked for "English?" of what I said last, which was "Meine Ehre heißt Treue", so I did. I translated it for them, and said: "Meine Ehre heißt Treue = My Honor is Loyalty." shortly after this, I was muted and given a stern talking to by IJ.

 

This is not true. While my memory may be getting shittier by the day, I distinctly remember you and another player speaking about these things in OOC, and told multiple times to stop, before the last one.

The most likely thing that happened is that you glanced over them multiple times somehow. You were told to stop, before the last one. You keep saying you weren't, but as I'm sure other people can tell you, you were.

 

Im sorry, but I swear, I was told once to stop, I recall the staff telling us to stop posting 'Nazi' songs, which I never did, so I thought that warning didn't apply to me. If it was, then I acknowledge that. But other then that and the mentioned stop, I wasn't told any other times.

[spacevoidagent]

Hi. I was a witness. Several attempts by /different/ staff members were made to tell you to stop at several different points in your discussion. You didn't. Enjoy your warning and have fun with that.

I'm not enjoying the warning at all, almost none of it is true, ESPECIALLY the part where it says I was making Hitler jokes IC, which I never did. I want it changed and the warning edited to what is actually true. So no, I wont have fun with that.

[Contextual]

If I'm not wrong about the round in question, I'm fairly certain I was a witness. I never saw a staffmember directly tell them to stop but once, and frankly don't see the grounds for this warning.

What's wrong with discussing Nazism or facets thereof in a positive light? What's wrong with quoting Hitler? What's wrong with posting songs, videos, or photos that aren't inherently hateful, derogatory, or sexual? I really don't understand where in the conversation the topic became worse than PG-13. Perhaps the logs will clarify that much, at least.

Overall, this case feels like a cherrypick on the part of the admin team, whether to reaffirm their own 'moral' position or to besmirch the player I'm not in a position to say.

In closing, the topic at hand wasn't even overtly political in nature, so much as it was a minor celebration of a genuine part of Germany's cultural history. If cultural discussions and celebrations are not to be allowed, I see no reason for OOC to be unmuted at any point in a round, because cultural topics are unavoidable.

[spacevoidagent]

If I'm not wrong about the round in question, I'm fairly certain I was a witness. I never saw a staffmember directly tell them to stop but once, and frankly don't see the grounds for this warning.

What's wrong with discussing Nazism or facets thereof in a positive light? What's wrong with quoting Hitler? What's wrong with posting songs, videos, or photos that aren't inherently hateful, derogatory, or sexual? I really don't understand where in the conversation the topic became worse than PG-13. Perhaps the logs will clarify that much, at least.

Overall, this case feels like a cherrypick on the part of the admin team, whether to reaffirm their own 'moral' position or to besmirch the player I'm not in a position to say.

In closing, the topic at hand wasn't even overtly political in nature, so much as it was a minor celebration of a genuine part of Germany's cultural history. If cultural discussions and celebrations are not to be allowed, I see no reason for OOC to be unmuted at any point in a round, because cultural topics are unavoidable.

Thank you. Finally someone who sees my point of view, you have literally captured my thoughts and put it into the words that I couldn't. I applaud you for your good judgement and typing skills.

In relation to quoting Hitler, I never did that, to clear things up.

I indeed too feel it was a Cherrypick, and this is a second/third case of unfair ruling against me. The other for making a Islamic character and making a satirical group called ISIS (Which I had no further time to develop after I was told to stop.), and the other for resisting arrest and cuffing/taking off a headset of a officer and running away. I somehow feel the staff has a personal vendetta against me or just want their overall power and presence on the server to be felt. They have the power to warn and ban, and seem driven to use it all the time, some staff more then others.

[VoltageHero]

If I'm not wrong about the round in question, I'm fairly certain I was a witness. I never saw a staffmember directly tell them to stop but once, and frankly don't see the grounds for this warning.

What's wrong with discussing Nazism or facets thereof in a positive light? What's wrong with quoting Hitler? What's wrong with posting songs, videos, or photos that aren't inherently hateful, derogatory, or sexual? I really don't understand where in the conversation the topic became worse than PG-13. Perhaps the logs will clarify that much, at least.

Overall, this case feels like a cherrypick on the part of the admin team, whether to reaffirm their own 'moral' position or to besmirch the player I'm not in a position to say.

In closing, the topic at hand wasn't even overtly political in nature, so much as it was a minor celebration of a genuine part of Germany's cultural history. If cultural discussions and celebrations are not to be allowed, I see no reason for OOC to be unmuted at any point in a round, because cultural topics are unavoidable.

 

Again, I don't see how saying "nobody told them to stop" keeps being brought up, when two staff, and non-staff players have stated the opposite.

The issue is that other non-staff players have also expressed annoyance with the constant statements of Germany, and Nazis.

It is fine once or twice, but this is a daily occurrence. The same goes for any other things. If somebody wants to talk about how they liked the Soviet Union's actions during Stalin's rule, okay fine, that's alright. If you're doing it every, or every other day, then it isn't okay anymore.

This is a time and place for everything. OOC is not a place to bring up the Nazis. I'd assume on most servers, if you brought the Nazis up, you'd be told to stop, because it's not an appropriate thing to be constantly doing. It's tactless.

Also, how was it a minor celebration of Germany? They were...celebrating the Nazis? I think we all understand that the Nazis were brought up in the conversation, and while they are a part of Germany's history, I would find it a bit odd to be celebrating that part of your history.

[incognitojesus]

I was told by another staff member about the IC Hitler jokes, hence the "Reportedly" in the warning reason. And, you were told to stop lawyering because it was prolonging the round end, with you attempting to dance around the subject.

In the meantime, let's recap.

• You were warned for making Nazi-related remarks in OOC, after being told to stop. I'm waiting on Scopes to wake up so I can have the logs posted.
• I was told about the IC Hitler jokes, hence why it literally says reportedly in the warning.
  
• The group was told to stop, you continued, OOC was muted, you continued. You didn't need to translate, you could have just stopped like you were asked to.
  
• Other players had their OOC muted, and were spoken to, and then stopped.
  
• You did make a Hitler remark, by the way, if you had read my post in its entirety, you would have read:

But let's continue, shall we? You were warned specifically for making Nazi-related remarks in OOC. Not only were you told to stop with the Nazi marching songs by several people, including myself, Voltage, and Baka, you persisted with the Nazi-related remarks such as,

Meine Ehre heißt Treue

Which, for those of you who didn't do a simple Google search, is a quote by Adolf Hitler, nonetheless, after the Stennes Revolt, which later became the motto of the SS. It translates to, "My honour is called loyalty."

 

I guess this can be summed up with the following:

You were told to stop, you didn't, you got a warning.

That seems like a reasonable escalation of punishments to me, no?

[spacevoidagent]

I was told by another staff member about the IC Hitler jokes, hence the "Reportedly" in the warning reason. And, you were told to stop lawyering because it was prolonging the round end, with you attempting to dance around the subject.

In the meantime, let's recap.

• You were warned for making Nazi-related remarks in OOC, after being told to stop. I'm waiting on Scopes to wake up so I can have the logs posted.
• I was told about the IC Hitler jokes, hence why it literally says reportedly in the warning.
  
• The group was told to stop, you continued, OOC was muted, you continued. You didn't need to translate, you could have just stopped like you were asked to.
  
• Other players had their OOC muted, and were spoken to, and then stopped.
  
• You did make a Hitler remark, by the way, if you had read my post in its entirety, you would have read:

But let's continue, shall we? You were warned specifically for making Nazi-related remarks in OOC. Not only were you told to stop with the Nazi marching songs by several people, including myself, Voltage, and Baka, you persisted with the Nazi-related remarks such as,

Meine Ehre heißt Treue

Which, for those of you who didn't do a simple Google search, is a quote by Adolf Hitler, nonetheless, after the Stennes Revolt, which later became the motto of the SS. It translates to, "My honour is called loyalty."

 

I guess this can be summed up with the following:

You were told to stop, you didn't, you got a warning.

That seems like a reasonable escalation of punishments to me, no?

It's not so much a Hitler quote, but rather the motto of the Waffen SS. Which of course, relates to "I wish I was in the Waffen SS."

I was never told, once again to stop with the marching songs, because I never posted a link to a song, but rather only 5 lyrics, which nobody seemed to even notice or acknowledge. The lyrics themselves once-again, have no direct 'Nazi' meaning.

In the warning it says "Reported making Hitler jokes ICly." this is not equivalent to "reportedly made Hitler jokes in IC", with your wording, it makes it seem like I did make Hitler jokes IC, and was reported for it.

[Vittorio Giurifiglio]

To Space Void

Okay okay Okay, the mere fact you stated you wanted to be in the organization responsible for the largest concentrated Genocide in history should be warnable.

And you're ignorant if you think otherwise of that quote, It;s even on fucking wikipedia

"In a National Socialist context, the phrase Meine Ehre heißt Treue refers to a declaration by Adolf Hitler following the Stennes Revolt, an incident between the Berlin Sturmabteilung (SA) and the SS. In early April 1931, elements of the SA under Walter Stennes attempted to overthrow the head of the Berlin section of the Nazi Party. As the section chief Joseph Goebbels fled with his staff, a handful of SS men led by Kurt Daluege were beaten trying to repel the SA. After the incident, Hitler wrote a letter of congratulations to Daluege, stating ... SS-Mann, deine Ehre heißt Treue! ("Man of the SS, your honour is loyalty"). Soon afterwards, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, adopted the modified version of this phrase as the official motto of the organisation."

[spacevoidagent]

To Space Void

Okay okay Okay, the mere fact you stated you wanted to be in the organization responsible for the largest concentrated Genocide in history should be warnable.

And you're ignorant if you think otherwise of that quote, It;s even on fucking wikipedia

"In a National Socialist context, the phrase Meine Ehre heißt Treue refers to a declaration by Adolf Hitler following the Stennes Revolt, an incident between the Berlin Sturmabteilung (SA) and the SS. In early April 1931, elements of the SA under Walter Stennes attempted to overthrow the head of the Berlin section of the Nazi Party. As the section chief Joseph Goebbels fled with his staff, a handful of SS men led by Kurt Daluege were beaten trying to repel the SA. After the incident, Hitler wrote a letter of congratulations to Daluege, stating ... SS-Mann, deine Ehre heißt Treue! ("Man of the SS, your honour is loyalty"). Soon afterwards, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, adopted the modified version of this phrase as the official motto of the organisation."

 

Okay okay okay the mere fact that I wished to be apart of one of the most powerful and respected fighting forces in History should not be warnable.

And no I'm not ignorant, the Quote isn't even bad. The incident that you referred to his hardly offensive to anyone, and has no meaning to my complaint. A group of men tasked with defending the group, defended the group from a attempted mutiny, and did nothing wrong except for fulfilling their duty. Hitler congratulated the SS, and his quote later became the motto of the Warden SS. So please, tell me how I'm ignorant for thinking otherwise of the quote? Did you even bother to fucking read the info that you posted? "It's on fucking Wikipedia." so what? What does it matter?

Your ignorant post regarding the Waffen SS motto and the Stennes Revolt is laughable, and completely lacks purpose in the argument against me.