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BYOND Key: Jboy2000000

Player Byond Key: (Garnascus

Staff involved: N.A

Reason for complaint: Garn was a vamp during dead hour. As far as I can tell, he had all of security, except for another newly joined officer, enthralled, and was taunting CC about taking over the station. When I arrived, they had two SSD people held hostage, and as soon as I walked in the door, he ordered two officers to baton me without saying anything, and then proceeded to drink me blood and enthrall, all with zero RP, during a dead hour with 14 people online, and pretty much no one in game. I can understand Garn making a mistake as a mod like all the other complaints about are about, but this is him directly power gaming and playing to win like Vamp was some kind of green text game mode and taking SSD people for hostages.

Approximate Date/Time: 26AUG2015

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RIght so, im sorry but thats not exactly true. Let me preface this yes i had the majority of security enthralled. After i had built up my army and geared them up i sent a taunting fax to CC wanting them to send an ERT, they continuously spoke over the announcement system that an update was required. well its not hard to put two and two together that an ERT was coming and it was coming SOON.


So i ordered all of my minions to bunker down in security and gear up/shore up the defences as ERT was literally minutes away. So here we are in an INCREDIBLY tense situation and then comes along the HoS. i asked you over command radio to come inside and said over security radio that a hostile force was on its way here and i would debrief you inside. After you got inside yes i ordered my minions to stun you so i could enthrall you.


Now let me defend these accusations and why i think its frankly absurd you are even posting a complaint. I did NOT have the luxury of time to have some cool long drawn out dialogue with you as i said, ERT WAS MINUTES FROM OUR LOCATION. Also the "SSD hostages" you claim were in fact also my thralls, they had simply gone SSD and i had i think...two of them moved inside earlier on and then forgot about them.


Lastly i will attack directly your attitude here, you are upset that you didnt get to join an extended round and you didnt get to RP as a HoS without antags, look man im sorry and yeah that sucks but i was INCLUDING YOU in the RP i had decided from the get go i wanted this to end in a blood bath with my glorious army against ERT.

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I didn't expect a long drawn out monologue, if you were expecting danger, I can understand that you could have done little, but really, the second I walked through the door, all of security started harm batoning me on your orders. How is "she walked in! HARM BATON!" including me in any sort of RP? You didn't even say anything to me even after I was cuffed, even after I was stripped, even after I was enthralled. And why, if we're a high RP server, did you WANT the round to end in a blood bath?

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I didn't expect a long drawn out monologue, if you were expecting danger, I can understand that you could have done little, but really, the second I walked through the door, all of security started harm batoning me on your orders. How is "she walked in! HARM BATON!" including me in any sort of RP? You didn't even say anything to me even after I was cuffed, even after I was stripped, even after I was enthralled. And why, if we're a high RP server, did you WANT the round to end in a blood bath?

 


The officer harm batoned you ONCE and it was an ACCIDENT, i specifically told them non-lethals. I included you by enthralling you, you could have then joined me fight against the ERT! instead you took this to LOOC and straight up said you REFUSED to play as a vamp slave here and even ahelped to ask for it to be removed. Im sorry once again but this is horrible sportsmanship. if i had my officers stun baton you and then drain all of the blood in your body and left your corpse for ERT to find then i could understand your frustration.


You're right this is a High RP server and you're god damn right i wanted a blood bath. High RP does not mean we cant have mass chaos and after the first few enthralls i got i decided i wanted to build an army as strong as i could, taunt ERT into comming aboard and then have a war. that was my choice and i stand by it and i believe everyone had fun doing it including the ERT. i went to great lengths this round to make sure even if i DID kill someone by draining their blood i had them cloned quickly to bring them back into the round.

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No, I COULDN'T fight the ERT, remember that HoS and Cap are implanted? I couldn't fight the ERT, even if I wanted to, I was being nice by not getting up and opening up on the second your gave me an opportunity. I would have been LESS angry if you actually killed me, because then at least you have gotten some use out of me, instead you just stunned me, cuffed me, stripped me, and then drained my blood enough to enthrall me, which is useless.


My biggest problem is that this was during dead hour, and you were a head, there was no way anyone short of an ERT could stop you, and you knew that and decided to make an army. Honestly, this is the kind of thing I come to expect from /TG/, not Aurora. It doesn't matter what you wanted to do, or what your plan was, you were acting like a greentext who wanted to succeed more than anything.

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No, I COULDN'T fight the ERT, remember that HoS and Cap are implanted? I couldn't fight the ERT, even if I wanted to, I was being nice by not getting up and opening up on the second your gave me an opportunity. I would have been LESS angry if you actually killed me, because then at least you have gotten some use out of me, instead you just stunned me, cuffed me, stripped me, and then drained my blood enough to enthrall me, which is useless.


My biggest problem is that this was during dead hour, and you were a head, there was no way anyone short of an ERT could stop you, and you knew that and decided to make an army. Honestly, this is the kind of thing I come to expect from /TG/, not Aurora. It doesn't matter what you wanted to do, or what your plan was, you were acting like a greentext who wanted to succeed more than anything.

 


I dunno what to tell you here, in fact there was some differant opinions between whether or not the loyalty implant would work against enthralling and i saw it an ample oprrotunity to learn. I got the notification saying i had mind-slaved you and i even saw the mind-slave icon above your head so....i dont know what to tell you....


Is greentexting just an abstract and surreal criticism we slap onto antags we don't like now? you're right nobody COULD stop me and i knew it! which is why i intentionally goaded ERT into coming and had my forces wait inside security rather than hunt down and murder whatever stragglers may have been left. also theres a key point i need to bring up here.


roughly thirty or fifty seconds BEFORE i first initially bit you i spied through the walls with my vampire x-ray vision that three ERT members had breached into the side maint tunnel by the processing room. At that point i was mad scrambling to get enough blood in me to convert you and organize my forces enough to deal with the threat, what ensued what a glorious firefight that left me dead and my forces decimated. I could have changed some things up but overall im extremely satisfied with how the round turned out.

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Greentexting is something you say when people act like they care more about winning or beating a goal either set by the game or themselves than actually RPing and the enjoyment of other people. You were obviously more interested in having me join your forces and bolstering your forces for the upcoming invasion than the actual enjoyment. If you really wanted an edge, you should have just straight said fuck it and held me hostage instead of trying to turn me into a foot soldier.

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Greentexting is something you say when people act like they care more about winning or beating a goal either set by the game or themselves than actually RPing and the enjoyment of other people. You were obviously more interested in having me join your forces and bolstering your forces for the upcoming invasion than the actual enjoyment. If you really wanted an edge, you should have just straight said fuck it and held me hostage instead of trying to turn me into a foot soldier.

 


Well see heres were we disagree, I maintain that my prime action this round was to further RP for all i involved and i believe i passed this directive with flying colors. i define furthering RP as making it as fun as possible for my "victims". what did i do? i made them antags, gave them guns, geared em up and started my own private army. Like i said halfway through i wanted an enemy to fight and it would have been wrong of me to order them to murder the crew. you say that i cared more about my goal and that i overlooked the enjoyment of others but what i am saying is i believe that i accomplished BOTH equally and i maintain STRONGLY that i did my best to provide people the chance to continue to round as part of my army.


Now you can say "but what if people dont WANT that!" and i suspect its a large reason behind your complaint. Frankly there is a grain of truth to this. there was another player frustrated that he joined an EXTENDED round and then got vamped, and i get that and i apologized in LOOC but even he eventually was cool about it and i did my best to make it fun for him.


Why did it say extended? the previous round was an event hosted by tenenza and tuiee. a colony event. after the client restarted they started a vote to get feedback for the event. Unfortunately this vote being called before the server called a round type vote kinda broke things, so the timer never got frozen and it defaulted and started an extended round. Neither tenenza or tuiee had powers as secondary admins to restart the round and as such called a SECOND vote concerning adding in specific round elements.


So there we have it, i really feel like this frustration you feel is partly based on an error with the server and a small mistake from the ten and tuiee, it happens and i really dont think its that big of a deal.

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You yourself said you saw the ERT coming and scrambled and rushed to make me a vamp, if you really cared about making things interesting, you could have done several other things, instead you rushed to making me fight for you, without saying anything. You cared more about me joining you than anything else here.

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You yourself said you saw the ERT coming and scrambled and rushed to make me a vamp, if you really cared about making things interesting, you could have done several other things, instead you rushed to making me fight for you, without saying anything. You cared more about me joining you than anything else here.

 

From the time i physically saw the ERT to you becoming a vamp-slave was MAYBE a minute and twenty seconds. Im sorry i wasnt exactly thinking for the BEST possible situation for all, i needed to make a decision FAST. at this point you are nitpicking me. even still i thought i was doing, and i STILL think that i did the best i could and created an enjoyable situation.

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Jboy-chan you keep saying that you're frustrated Garnacus didn't "do something else", but you haven't mentioned any other alternatives. He involved you in the storyline of the station by enthralling you and including you in on the fun. You chose to get angry and refuse to participate, and seem to demand that Ganarcus and the ERT be shoehorned into doing what you wanted them to do.


Your complaint can be boiled down to "Things didn't turn out how I wanted."


Personally I'm of the opinion that you're being super duper unreasonable. Enthrallment isn't an end to RP. You still have all the opportunity to get involved in the game. You made the conscious choice to refuse to participate and get angry that you didn't get to personally dictate how things went.


Antagonists do not have to be forced or shoehorned into excluding you and letting you do your own thing. His goal had good intentions and it's clear Ganarcus-kun made the effort to get you involved in a way that still gave you a lot of freedom and capability.


The round was a roleplay about a vampire taking over the station. You made the choice to be involved in the overarching plot of whatever the round had going on by joining in on the round in the first place, especially as a security officer. But you chose to opt out in a very rude way. Honestly ranting in LOOC is something that itself I feel is too prevalent and needs to be nipped in the bud for violating Rule 1, but I digress.


And mind-enslavement always overrides the loyalty implant. The only antagonist-thing that doesn't override the implant is the revolution and (arguably) mutiny.

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If mind enslavement overrides implants, why did I get a message saying I was deconverted when the ERT double implanted me?


And beside that, Im not the only one who was disappointed by Garn's play, he said so himself that someone else got peeved. I don't care that I got enthralled, I care that I walked in and I got baton swarmed by three heavily armed security members during dead hour without being talked to, and got enthralled in much the same way. Like I said, Garn was more interested in bolstering his army, rather than what was enjoyable. If he was interested in anything else, he would have said "screw it, I need to focus on the attack right now." but instead he decided he needed another soldier to fight for him, and did nothing for me but bite me and enthrall me. And yes I did mention alternatives, he could have held me hostage, and told the ERT to back off, and taken that chance to actually RP.

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If mind enslavement overrides implants, why did I get a message saying I was deconverted when the ERT double implanted me?


And beside that, Im not the only one who was disappointed by Garn's play, he said so himself that someone else got peeved. I don't care that I got enthralled, I care that I walked in and I got baton swarmed by three heavily armed security members during dead hour without being talked to, and got enthralled in much the same way. Like I said, Garn was more interested in bolstering his army, rather than what was enjoyable. If he was interested in anything else, he would have said "screw it, I need to focus on the attack right now." but instead he decided he needed another soldier to fight for him, and did nothing for me but bite me and enthrall me. And yes I did mention alternatives, he could have held me hostage, and told the ERT to back off, and taken that chance to actually RP.

 


I tried holding you hostage, i shouted over command comm that i had a hostage and told them to back off. The other person who was also frustrated a bit was the detective but even he had some dialogue and i "flexed my military might" so to speak as he made his way to security. after a bit of RP i ordered my goons to grab him and i proceeded to bring him in to convert him.


He made it explicitly clear in LOOC that was frustrated about joining a round thinking it was extended and in reality there is an antag, a frustration i completely get and thats a reasonable point, but like i said i had nothing to do with that and it spawned from a small error. Also its kind of tricky about the enthralling. The opinions were divided even in msay about what SHOULD happen between the loyalty implant and a vampire enthralling, it could be that the code here has them override each other, so maybe when i enthralled you it "broke" your implant but the later implant...renewed it or something. im not sure and frankly its irrelavent here. all i can tell you is there was ZERO indicitation from my screen that the enthralling had failed, i saw red text saying i poured power into you and i saw the enthralled icon above your head.


Ill concede a LITTLE bit on the exchange in security, i intially was going to attempt some form of dialogue display before i did anything but one of my enthralled moved to handcuff you on my earlier orders, which led to you retreating and getting harm battoned by my guys. Im not going to say i played all of this perfectly or that i could have done a few things differently. But did i make such glaring mistakes that they deserve a character complaint? HELL NO, i maintain i did a fine job as my first vampire round.

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Loyalty implants override and protect from any intrusive elements, that's not true, Jackboot. Mechanically, you cannot cult loyalty implanted people.


Yes, it is an end-all-be-all. You can't cult a HoS, Captain or IAA, for instance.

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As far as administration is considered, if you are implanted you become loyal to NT, you have to do what is best for their interests.

It won't stop you from doing what the vamp says, unless it is bad for NT's interest. Fighting the ERT for example is against their interest.

(Jackboot what we spoke about in Skype is not in effect until after it is written into the code so for now, Implant > Enthrall.)


I can also confirm that somehow your implant was destroyed somehow. That's why I needed to re-implant you.

Posted

Right, that was a giant EMP in sec somehow. I thought implants were immune to EMP. And the I was enthralled before the EMP, so, being implanted and getting enthralled is fine, but getting implanted after being enthralled does things?

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I think mechanics need testing to confirm what happened.

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I was the enthralled warden that game. I thought the Vamp played it out really well, and I had a lot of fun.


Really, if he was trying to powergame and 'win' there's no way he would have goaded an ERT into coming. Once the few sec members were dead, we could have mopped up the entire station if thats what he wanted, instead he intentionally brought down a heavily armed force on top of us.


You had really unfortunate timing, and turned up right before the ERT did, so converting you and letting you join the battle was about the best outcome you could have gotten. Sorry you didn't want to join in.


On a side note, I too was confused about what to do once the ERT loyalty implanted me. I still had the vamp icons, but I didn't want to be a dick so I surrendered. Mostly.

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Most implants do malfunction when they come into contact with an EMP. Death alarms go off prematurely, or fail to give a death location when they do finally go off, and explosive implants suddenly become very fun. Loyalty implants on the other hand are unique in that they do not, even though they probably should. There are only a select few circumstances in which it can fail, but these are few and far between for some reason. Lucky them.


I wouldn't be nearly so unhappy with loyalty implants as I am currently if EMP blasts had a chance to make them break. I also firmly believe that we need more in-game prompts as to what the loyalty implant does exactly, as it's become prevalent enough to warrant some ground rules being set on what implants can and cannot do - because if we simply go by the in-game description, it merely makes you "more loyal" to the company. This could be interpreted in many different ways ("I won't kill all of the employees now, I'll just set off a bunch of bombs instead.")

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If memory serves I believe our Dev's and loremaster are working on an updated version of the loyalty implant directives to get rid of some inconsistencies as to what they actually do.

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Right so, its been a few days boy and im interested to see where you stand on this now. I believe I have adequately reasoned through every point you have brought up but if there's still some points of contest id like to hear them.

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Lastly i will attack directly your attitude here, you are upset that you didnt get to join an extended round and you didnt get to RP as a HoS without antags, look man im sorry and yeah that sucks but i was INCLUDING YOU in the RP i had decided from the get go i wanted this to end in a blood bath with my glorious army against ERT.

 

Jboy had always been like this and I'm glad I'm not the one spotting this. Jboy thinks a free server full of nice, wonderful players and newbies, has some power that he's "subscribed" monthly to it and pays nothing at all.


His mind is all about him, not the others surrounding him. Many times I've seen terrible actions from him, but most of that time I thought "nvm, prolly gonna stop and think once".


The idea sounds awesome, I wouldn't mind being taken out of round to see that in full. After all, fun is everywhere, not always, but there. Just put down the spoon full of salt and enjoy the soup afterwards. If the soup tastes bad and some agree with you, not just yourself and only yourself, complain about it without being melodramatic and feeling victimized.

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