IPCs should get their own unique language.

[Guest]

You can't speak in binary translators, they only translate what the ai's are doing in binary.

Not all computers can talk the same languages.

I am not giving the currently most op race the ability to understand everyone.

 

oh, right, IPCs are so OP despite the fact that they are unable to maintain themselves, are actually extremely susceptible to the damage sources that are applicable to them.

You know, when people actually have conversations about IPCs and how they fit into the game balance, they willingly ignore the points of how actually easy it is to kill an IPC. They are perhaps more susceptible to death than humans are, and their only saving graces are their immunity to radiation and oxygen loss, as well as brute resistance. Regardless, they're completely crippled in breaches and die very quickly to overheating and pressure damage, with no possibility to regenerate from the damage. Also, your limbs gib off after a threshold that is very easy to reach. SCUs are very rare, and so are high-level power cells. IPCs cannot be spaceworthy for very long.

Limb failure is doubly crippling and it makes it very difficult to use items. In addition, you can't repair yourself without outside help. As an antagonist, you're not likely to get help once you start getting loud about it. Nanopaste is very difficult to procure, as well.

So no, they are not OP at all. They're imbalanced in raw comparison to the other races, but that's just because it's a completely different development of a race to begin with. All of the other races are carbon copies of humans with either fur or claws or night vision. I would argue Tajarans are more statistically overpowered than IPCs are in comparison to humans. Tajarans get zero disadvantages in return for complete darkvision with mesons, and claws that apply sharp force damage and easily cause internal bleeding. Unathi are just as bad, they get cuffbreaking, claws and can devour monkeys for ridiculous amounts of nutriment.

Unlike IPCs, Unathi/Tajaran are not particularly unique or revolutionary in terms of gameplay style. Playing an IPC is a whole new meta to deal with, and you approach problems differently than humans do. Most humans can easily pop on internals and walk through a breached room without a care in the world because they can easily heal from it after clearing out of it. IPC players need to carefully gauge how much damage they take and avoid risky, damaging scenarios. This is a calculative, immersive effect that I'd figure real synthetics would take into account and process by themselves. It's acting within character to do the math where it counts, otherwise you're setting yourself up for critical failure and loss of life.

Humans don't really get that. Humans can easily apply first-aid and not care about close combat engagements as they heal from their own wounds automatically as well as from bruisepacks.

IPCs are not OP. They are easily the most interesting race that has the most possible potential from a development standpoint. I think the problem the development team has (besides being composed of one person, lol) is that they're completely afraid of changing anything because they feel like everyone else is going to abuse the shift of the meta to their own whims immediately instead of remembering this is an RP server, and that balance does not matter as long as it is fun.

I do not see why giving them a basic understanding of all the languages like a typical droid would with a universal translator, would be such a bad thing. It's like programmers in this universe don't give a shit enough about advancing robotic technology to the point where they're best at assisting other people who can't comprehend Siik'Maas. Seriously, if we did this, then IPCs could be designated translators for people. It would be awesome and the roleplay potential is juicy.

Can I ask why you hate fun are so concerned about the trivial 'issues' we call 'game balance'? I play games to have fun, why do we need to inhibit everything?

Seriously, if you want to compensate, start making the other races more interesting instead of making everything so utterly boring. Aurora is going to die if nothing gets done in terms of the code situation. Or, rather, it's going to stagnate, people are going to get bored and go elsewhere that has the change they want, and then Aurora's going to slowly stop being relevant and then it'll die.

[Guest]

You can't speak in binary translators, they only translate what the ai's are doing in binary.

Not all computers can talk the same languages.

I am not giving the currently most op race the ability to understand everyone.

 

oh, right, IPCs are so OP despite the fact that they are unable to maintain themselves, are actually extremely susceptible to the damage sources that are applicable to them.

You know, when people actually have conversations about IPCs and how they fit into the game balance, they willingly ignore the points of how actually easy it is to kill an IPC. They are perhaps more susceptible to death than humans are, and their only saving graces are their immunity to radiation and oxygen loss, as well as brute resistance. Regardless, they're completely crippled in breaches and die very quickly to overheating and pressure damage, with no possibility to regenerate from the damage. Also, your limbs gib off after a threshold that is very easy to reach. SCUs are very rare, and so are high-level power cells. IPCs cannot be spaceworthy for very long.

Limb failure is doubly crippling and it makes it very difficult to use items. In addition, you can't repair yourself without outside help. As an antagonist, you're not likely to get help once you start getting loud about it. Nanopaste is very difficult to procure, as well.

So no, they are not OP at all. They're imbalanced in raw comparison to the other races, but that's just because it's a completely different development of a race to begin with. All of the other races are carbon copies of humans with either fur or claws or night vision. I would argue Tajarans are more statistically overpowered than IPCs are in comparison to humans. Tajarans get zero disadvantages in return for complete darkvision with mesons, and claws that apply sharp force damage and easily cause internal bleeding. Unathi are just as bad, they get cuffbreaking, claws and can devour monkeys for ridiculous amounts of nutriment.

Unlike IPCs, Unathi/Tajaran are not particularly unique or revolutionary in terms of gameplay style. Playing an IPC is a whole new meta to deal with, and you approach problems differently than humans do. Most humans can easily pop on internals and walk through a breached room without a care in the world because they can easily heal from it after clearing out of it. IPC players need to carefully gauge how much damage they take and avoid risky, damaging scenarios. This is a calculative, immersive effect that I'd figure real synthetics would take into account and process by themselves. It's acting within character to do the math where it counts, otherwise you're setting yourself up for critical failure and loss of life.

Humans don't really get that. Humans can easily apply first-aid and not care about close combat engagements as they heal from their own wounds automatically as well as from bruisepacks.

IPCs are not OP. They are easily the most interesting race that has the most possible potential from a development standpoint. I think the problem the development team has (besides being composed of one person, lol) is that they're completely afraid of changing anything because they feel like everyone else is going to abuse the shift of the meta to their own whims immediately instead of remembering this is an RP server, and that balance does not matter as long as it is fun.

I do not see why giving them a basic understanding of all the languages like a typical droid would with a universal translator, would be such a bad thing. It's like programmers in this universe don't give a shit enough about advancing robotic technology to the point where they're best at assisting other people who can't comprehend Siik'Maas. Seriously, if we did this, then IPCs could be designated translators for people. It would be awesome and the roleplay potential is juicy.

Can I ask why you hate fun are so concerned about the trivial 'issues' we call 'game balance'? I play games to have fun, why do we need to inhibit everything?

Seriously, if you want to compensate, start making the other races more interesting instead of making everything so utterly boring. Aurora is going to die if nothing gets done in terms of the code situation. Or, rather, it's going to stagnate, people are going to get bored and go elsewhere that has the change they want, and then Aurora's going to slowly stop being relevant and then it'll die.

[Conservatron]

honestly i do think pulling in 'protocol droid' stuff would be a very good middle of the road step. Allow them to understand languages but communicate only in ceti-basic and tradeband

[Conservatron]

honestly i do think pulling in 'protocol droid' stuff would be a very good middle of the road step. Allow them to understand languages but communicate only in ceti-basic and tradeband

[Reyjakai]

So, what does Katelynn (a cyborg that was human before her accident), one of my fully-NT androids, one random line model robot made by Hephaistus industries, and a totally random bespoke unit have in common?

Language? That's just... Does not make any sense, and would be really problematic. Everyone (different company's, different makers, in different times) just universally agreed to program their robots to use this language? Would station-bound borgs be able to hear AND speak in this language?

For human-like races it makes sense, they all came from the same planet, whether it's Terra or Adhomai.

 

No, but wouldn't they be programmed in such a way as to understand each other? That's the purpose of drivers in computers, to act as a translator between software and hardware/the OS. If you have Unathi technology and Tajaran technology on a Human space station, wouldn't they all have to conform to a universal standard in order to be accepted? Why would there not be an industry standard in place when the races are so mixed in the workforce?

 

...Are you saying that all IPC's have something in common, something more than being a member of the IPC/Shell race? I think it is quite the opposite, I actually saw TV-heads show that they are disgusted that other synthetic units try to 'pose' as an organic being (synthetic skin and stuff). Hell, I even saw human-like, organic crew being disgusted that IPC's try to be a human or a tajara.

So yeah, no.

So (for example, of course), your cyborg is not even a little similar to my TV-heads.

 

Of course they're not identical. Do they have something in common? Of course. Having IPCs dislike what they consider to be inferior uplifts/synthetics is a good thing that creates conflict. With that in mind, they already still speak the same language that all other synthetics do. The same can be said for Tajara or Unathi that don't fit along with the norm. They're heavily shunned by the rest and their life is harder because of it, so they put themselves into little groups.

 

So (for example, of course), your cyborg is not even a little similar to my TV-heads.

 

I'd hope not. Kate's saving grace is her uniqueness, in my opinion.

The idea in my mind has always been that the synthetics are the other. They're not all from the same, nor do they all have the same origin, but they all ended up in the same place. They're all mostly mechanical and that's a significant part of their identity. Am I wrong about that? You don't all have to come from the same place to end up speaking a common language.

[Reyjakai]

So, what does Katelynn (a cyborg that was human before her accident), one of my fully-NT androids, one random line model robot made by Hephaistus industries, and a totally random bespoke unit have in common?

Language? That's just... Does not make any sense, and would be really problematic. Everyone (different company's, different makers, in different times) just universally agreed to program their robots to use this language? Would station-bound borgs be able to hear AND speak in this language?

For human-like races it makes sense, they all came from the same planet, whether it's Terra or Adhomai.

 

No, but wouldn't they be programmed in such a way as to understand each other? That's the purpose of drivers in computers, to act as a translator between software and hardware/the OS. If you have Unathi technology and Tajaran technology on a Human space station, wouldn't they all have to conform to a universal standard in order to be accepted? Why would there not be an industry standard in place when the races are so mixed in the workforce?

 

...Are you saying that all IPC's have something in common, something more than being a member of the IPC/Shell race? I think it is quite the opposite, I actually saw TV-heads show that they are disgusted that other synthetic units try to 'pose' as an organic being (synthetic skin and stuff). Hell, I even saw human-like, organic crew being disgusted that IPC's try to be a human or a tajara.

So yeah, no.

So (for example, of course), your cyborg is not even a little similar to my TV-heads.

 

Of course they're not identical. Do they have something in common? Of course. Having IPCs dislike what they consider to be inferior uplifts/synthetics is a good thing that creates conflict. With that in mind, they already still speak the same language that all other synthetics do. The same can be said for Tajara or Unathi that don't fit along with the norm. They're heavily shunned by the rest and their life is harder because of it, so they put themselves into little groups.

 

So (for example, of course), your cyborg is not even a little similar to my TV-heads.

 

I'd hope not. Kate's saving grace is her uniqueness, in my opinion.

The idea in my mind has always been that the synthetics are the other. They're not all from the same, nor do they all have the same origin, but they all ended up in the same place. They're all mostly mechanical and that's a significant part of their identity. Am I wrong about that? You don't all have to come from the same place to end up speaking a common language.

[Frances]

One of the concerns brought up here is in the balance of power. The power of languages comes from being able to understand others, and from being understood. There's little benefit in IPCs being able to speak other languages as they can already communicate with Tajarans/Unathis/Skrells in basic. Being able to listen in on their conversations, however, would confer them a severe advantage.

One of the benefits of species-specific languages is that they give a safe haven for communication between members of this species (including humans!) Allowing IPCs to intrude in these safe spaces would defeat their purpose entirely, especially so considering many IPCs neutral and cheeky attitudes.

[Frances]

One of the concerns brought up here is in the balance of power. The power of languages comes from being able to understand others, and from being understood. There's little benefit in IPCs being able to speak other languages as they can already communicate with Tajarans/Unathis/Skrells in basic. Being able to listen in on their conversations, however, would confer them a severe advantage.

One of the benefits of species-specific languages is that they give a safe haven for communication between members of this species (including humans!) Allowing IPCs to intrude in these safe spaces would defeat their purpose entirely, especially so considering many IPCs neutral and cheeky attitudes.

[Reyjakai]

Hang on, let's not shove this thread away from the original topic of conversation: IPCs getting their own language, something that all other species on the station have without exception. If we want to talk about having them be universal translators, that's a conversation for another topic and should be treated as a separate issue.

[Reyjakai]

Hang on, let's not shove this thread away from the original topic of conversation: IPCs getting their own language, something that all other species on the station have without exception. If we want to talk about having them be universal translators, that's a conversation for another topic and should be treated as a separate issue.