Doomberg - Muting OOC over Tajaran discussions or something

[Frances]

What does that change?

[Frances]

What does that change?

[Doomberg]

What does that change?

 

Absolutely everything, considering we've had certain individuals actually call players a furry bandwagon since the beginning of this incident, alongside multiple passive-aggressive taunts aimed at tajaran players.

IC actions of certain command/security characters have also been centered around this general "fuck the catbeasts" attitude.

Pardon the bluntness, but I have no intention of relenting regardless of how many complaints arise due to regulation of OOC.

[Doomberg]

What does that change?

 

Absolutely everything, considering we've had certain individuals actually call players a furry bandwagon since the beginning of this incident, alongside multiple passive-aggressive taunts aimed at tajaran players.

IC actions of certain command/security characters have also been centered around this general "fuck the catbeasts" attitude.

Pardon the bluntness, but I have no intention of relenting regardless of how many complaints arise due to regulation of OOC.

[Frances]

Absolutely everything, considering we've had certain individuals actually call players a furry bandwagon since the beginning of this incident, alongside multiple passive-aggressive taunts aimed at tajaran players.

IC actions of certain command/security characters have also been centered around this general "fuck the catbeasts" attitude.

Pardon the bluntness, but I have no intention of relenting regardless of how many complaints arise due to regulation of OOC.

Nothing wrong with simply being honest if that's what you believe in.

However, were the actions of the people involved in this specific debate enough to warrant harsh intervention followed by a mute? I believe the very most that had happened was that someone jokingly called someone else a "pleb".

[Frances]

Absolutely everything, considering we've had certain individuals actually call players a furry bandwagon since the beginning of this incident, alongside multiple passive-aggressive taunts aimed at tajaran players.

IC actions of certain command/security characters have also been centered around this general "fuck the catbeasts" attitude.

Pardon the bluntness, but I have no intention of relenting regardless of how many complaints arise due to regulation of OOC.

Nothing wrong with simply being honest if that's what you believe in.

However, were the actions of the people involved in this specific debate enough to warrant harsh intervention followed by a mute? I believe the very most that had happened was that someone jokingly called someone else a "pleb".

[Doomberg]

Absolutely everything, considering we've had certain individuals actually call players a furry bandwagon since the beginning of this incident, alongside multiple passive-aggressive taunts aimed at tajaran players.

IC actions of certain command/security characters have also been centered around this general "fuck the catbeasts" attitude.

Pardon the bluntness, but I have no intention of relenting regardless of how many complaints arise due to regulation of OOC.

Nothing wrong with simply being honest if that's what you believe in.

However, were the actions of the people involved in this specific debate enough to warrant harsh intervention followed by a mute? I believe the very most that had happened was that someone jokingly called someone else a "pleb".

 

Thing is, you're trying to study this as an isolated incident. I made a decision based on the climate in the past three days plus the FFF nonsense that has been prevalent recently. With those factors considered, I do believe intervention was warranted.

[Doomberg]

Absolutely everything, considering we've had certain individuals actually call players a furry bandwagon since the beginning of this incident, alongside multiple passive-aggressive taunts aimed at tajaran players.

IC actions of certain command/security characters have also been centered around this general "fuck the catbeasts" attitude.

Pardon the bluntness, but I have no intention of relenting regardless of how many complaints arise due to regulation of OOC.

Nothing wrong with simply being honest if that's what you believe in.

However, were the actions of the people involved in this specific debate enough to warrant harsh intervention followed by a mute? I believe the very most that had happened was that someone jokingly called someone else a "pleb".

 

Thing is, you're trying to study this as an isolated incident. I made a decision based on the climate in the past three days plus the FFF nonsense that has been prevalent recently. With those factors considered, I do believe intervention was warranted.

[Frances]

Thing is, you're trying to study this as an isolated incident. I made a decision based on the climate in the past three days plus the FFF nonsense that has been prevalent recently. With those factors considered, I do believe intervention was warranted.

While this isn't the worst case of preemptive intervention, you did more or less treat the users involved like criminals and express marked disdain for them.

I don't understand why you couldn't moderate OOC by waiting for the arguments to actually devolve before calling out specific users (or OOC as a whole), but if your decision was to put an early stop to potential problems, taking an authoritative tone and trying to belittle the people involved was not the way to do it, in my opinion. Why couldn't you simply give OOC a friendly warning to remain mindful of their behavior during the debate, or briefly explained why you wished for the debate to cease? (Instead of making an entry with a message of "the species bullshit has to stop".)

[Frances]

Thing is, you're trying to study this as an isolated incident. I made a decision based on the climate in the past three days plus the FFF nonsense that has been prevalent recently. With those factors considered, I do believe intervention was warranted.

While this isn't the worst case of preemptive intervention, you did more or less treat the users involved like criminals and express marked disdain for them.

I don't understand why you couldn't moderate OOC by waiting for the arguments to actually devolve before calling out specific users (or OOC as a whole), but if your decision was to put an early stop to potential problems, taking an authoritative tone and trying to belittle the people involved was not the way to do it, in my opinion. Why couldn't you simply give OOC a friendly warning to remain mindful of their behavior during the debate, or briefly explained why you wished for the debate to cease? (Instead of making an entry with a message of "the species bullshit has to stop".)

[Doomberg]

Thing is, you're trying to study this as an isolated incident. I made a decision based on the climate in the past three days plus the FFF nonsense that has been prevalent recently. With those factors considered, I do believe intervention was warranted.

While this isn't the worst case of preemptive intervention, you did more or less treat the users involved like criminals and express marked disdain for them.

I don't understand why you couldn't moderate OOC by waiting for the arguments to actually devolve before calling out specific users (or OOC as a whole), but if your decision was to put an early stop to potential problems, taking an authoritative tone and trying to belittle the people involved was not the way to do it, in my opinion. Why couldn't you simply give OOC a friendly warning to remain mindful of their behavior during the debate, or briefly explained why you wished for the debate to cease? (Instead of making an entry with a message of "the species bullshit has to stop".)

 

Because, to be perfectly honest, friendly warnings have never worked with the people we are currently handling. They joined with an agenda. It takes more than a friendly warning to put a stop to this behavior.

And once more, no, I have no obligation to be pleasant and friendly towards a group of people who constantly taunt other players and test me and my staff at pretty much every chance they get. Yes, they're treated differently than players who are actually here to play and try to steer clear of trouble. If you find this outrageous, then you may be a bit too idealistic.

Ultimately, if someone can't handle being approached with an authoritarian stance, they should probably not intentionally and consistently antagonize players and/or test the staff's patience.

[Doomberg]

Thing is, you're trying to study this as an isolated incident. I made a decision based on the climate in the past three days plus the FFF nonsense that has been prevalent recently. With those factors considered, I do believe intervention was warranted.

While this isn't the worst case of preemptive intervention, you did more or less treat the users involved like criminals and express marked disdain for them.

I don't understand why you couldn't moderate OOC by waiting for the arguments to actually devolve before calling out specific users (or OOC as a whole), but if your decision was to put an early stop to potential problems, taking an authoritative tone and trying to belittle the people involved was not the way to do it, in my opinion. Why couldn't you simply give OOC a friendly warning to remain mindful of their behavior during the debate, or briefly explained why you wished for the debate to cease? (Instead of making an entry with a message of "the species bullshit has to stop".)

 

Because, to be perfectly honest, friendly warnings have never worked with the people we are currently handling. They joined with an agenda. It takes more than a friendly warning to put a stop to this behavior.

And once more, no, I have no obligation to be pleasant and friendly towards a group of people who constantly taunt other players and test me and my staff at pretty much every chance they get. Yes, they're treated differently than players who are actually here to play and try to steer clear of trouble. If you find this outrageous, then you may be a bit too idealistic.

Ultimately, if someone can't handle being approached with an authoritarian stance, they should probably not intentionally and consistently antagonize players and/or test the staff's patience.

[Frances]

Because, to be perfectly honest, friendly warnings have never worked with the people we are currently handling. They joined with an agenda. It takes more than a friendly warning to put a stop to this behavior.

And once more, no, I have no obligation to be pleasant and friendly towards a group of people who constantly taunt other players and test me and my staff at pretty much every chance they get. Yes, they're treated differently than players who are actually here to play and try to steer clear of trouble. If you find this outrageous, then you may be a bit too idealistic.

Ultimately, if someone can't handle being approached with an authoritarian stance, they should probably not intentionally and consistently antagonize players and/or test the staff's patience.

Was your stern and authoritative attitude more effective?

[Frances]

Because, to be perfectly honest, friendly warnings have never worked with the people we are currently handling. They joined with an agenda. It takes more than a friendly warning to put a stop to this behavior.

And once more, no, I have no obligation to be pleasant and friendly towards a group of people who constantly taunt other players and test me and my staff at pretty much every chance they get. Yes, they're treated differently than players who are actually here to play and try to steer clear of trouble. If you find this outrageous, then you may be a bit too idealistic.

Ultimately, if someone can't handle being approached with an authoritarian stance, they should probably not intentionally and consistently antagonize players and/or test the staff's patience.

Was your stern and authoritative attitude more effective?

[Doomberg]

Because, to be perfectly honest, friendly warnings have never worked with the people we are currently handling. They joined with an agenda. It takes more than a friendly warning to put a stop to this behavior.

And once more, no, I have no obligation to be pleasant and friendly towards a group of people who constantly taunt other players and test me and my staff at pretty much every chance they get. Yes, they're treated differently than players who are actually here to play and try to steer clear of trouble. If you find this outrageous, then you may be a bit too idealistic.

Ultimately, if someone can't handle being approached with an authoritarian stance, they should probably not intentionally and consistently antagonize players and/or test the staff's patience.

Your stern and authoritative attitude didn't work either. I doubt these people are scared of you, or more tempted to respect you if this is how you treat them. In fact, the only thing I can see this achieving is breeding more hostility.

Have you considered why you feel like they have an "agenda", and behave towards the staff/server in a certain way?

 

I do not seek their respect, I do not require their respect, I do not demand their respect. I have, in fact, one demand: Stop, or go.

I'm not particularly curious as to why they behave the way they do. No reason in the world would justify it.

[Doomberg]

Because, to be perfectly honest, friendly warnings have never worked with the people we are currently handling. They joined with an agenda. It takes more than a friendly warning to put a stop to this behavior.

And once more, no, I have no obligation to be pleasant and friendly towards a group of people who constantly taunt other players and test me and my staff at pretty much every chance they get. Yes, they're treated differently than players who are actually here to play and try to steer clear of trouble. If you find this outrageous, then you may be a bit too idealistic.

Ultimately, if someone can't handle being approached with an authoritarian stance, they should probably not intentionally and consistently antagonize players and/or test the staff's patience.

Your stern and authoritative attitude didn't work either. I doubt these people are scared of you, or more tempted to respect you if this is how you treat them. In fact, the only thing I can see this achieving is breeding more hostility.

Have you considered why you feel like they have an "agenda", and behave towards the staff/server in a certain way?

 

I do not seek their respect, I do not require their respect, I do not demand their respect. I have, in fact, one demand: Stop, or go.

I'm not particularly curious as to why they behave the way they do. No reason in the world would justify it.

[Doomberg]

And to answer your edit: I feel it was. Complacency and pointless attempts at reasoning with people who do not want to be reasonable was what allowed this sentiment of "I have the right to express my opinion even if it offends everyone" to take root.

[Doomberg]

And to answer your edit: I feel it was. Complacency and pointless attempts at reasoning with people who do not want to be reasonable was what allowed this sentiment of "I have the right to express my opinion even if it offends everyone" to take root.

[hivefleetchicken]

oh darn a button got pushed because the staff got tired of the shitty conversation over ooc, ADMIN ABUUUUUUUUUSE

I'm actually going to provide testimony by experience here, since this shit wouldn't fly on your part if this was CM, lol. Hive, no offense or anything, but you probably deserve to be laughed at in silence by the staff members just because you were restricted from shitposting and memeing for thirty minutes.

If staff members and players have to be subjected to your low-bar, childish humor clogging up chatbox space for people who WANT to keep OOC on in the event someone asks a reasonable question or wants to discuss something half-decent in a civil manner, then OOC probably deserves a time-out.

The fact you weren't even given a note or OOC/LOOC mutes was surprising. Most of the other server staff that I've seen in action myself are more than justified to mute a couple idiots from talking for the rest of the round. I think they were a little too soft, in retrospect.

Nice memes, at any rate.

 

Never before have I seen Delta go so far out of his way to bait someone.

I was fairly amused by the concept that maybe you had gotten it all out with that post. But then I checked literally every single thing you've typed since last night, and - surprise, surprise! It's literally nothing but more cancerous baiting!

I don't know if you're having a withdrawal from nicotine or a death in the family that has made you this (apologies for the term, but you used it in a serious thread as well last night; I feel obliged to return it) butthurt, but I hope you can overcome it and function normally again soon. In the meantime, I'm gonna' ignore this post due to how whenever I read it, I can't get past the image of you in a diaper rolling on the floor, screaming. And I'm 100% serious.

Grow up and learn some respect in an official complaint. I'm hearing out the staff here. Maybe you should hear anyone but yourself out. Please and thank you.

Genuinely concerned,

Hive.

[hivefleetchicken]

oh darn a button got pushed because the staff got tired of the shitty conversation over ooc, ADMIN ABUUUUUUUUUSE

I'm actually going to provide testimony by experience here, since this shit wouldn't fly on your part if this was CM, lol. Hive, no offense or anything, but you probably deserve to be laughed at in silence by the staff members just because you were restricted from shitposting and memeing for thirty minutes.

If staff members and players have to be subjected to your low-bar, childish humor clogging up chatbox space for people who WANT to keep OOC on in the event someone asks a reasonable question or wants to discuss something half-decent in a civil manner, then OOC probably deserves a time-out.

The fact you weren't even given a note or OOC/LOOC mutes was surprising. Most of the other server staff that I've seen in action myself are more than justified to mute a couple idiots from talking for the rest of the round. I think they were a little too soft, in retrospect.

Nice memes, at any rate.

 

Never before have I seen Delta go so far out of his way to bait someone.

I was fairly amused by the concept that maybe you had gotten it all out with that post. But then I checked literally every single thing you've typed since last night, and - surprise, surprise! It's literally nothing but more cancerous baiting!

I don't know if you're having a withdrawal from nicotine or a death in the family that has made you this (apologies for the term, but you used it in a serious thread as well last night; I feel obliged to return it) butthurt, but I hope you can overcome it and function normally again soon. In the meantime, I'm gonna' ignore this post due to how whenever I read it, I can't get past the image of you in a diaper rolling on the floor, screaming. And I'm 100% serious.

Grow up and learn some respect in an official complaint. I'm hearing out the staff here. Maybe you should hear anyone but yourself out. Please and thank you.

Genuinely concerned,

Hive.

[hivefleetchicken]

Onto the matter at hand.

Hi Doom!

I had no idea about this whole raiding/furry/whatnot thing going on.

I thought this was just your immediate response to a random individual commenting on race discrimination in OOC.

With that in mind - I don't appreciate being generalized with them because I didn't know the full context and ended up trying to defend them. Calling me someone who is non-stop testing your staff and taunting players offends me, because the people I taunt in LOOC are people I'm usually in a conversation with on steam, and we're both fucking around when we coincidentally pass by each other in the halls. So that might make you think I taunt your players, but it's all light-hearted and not one-sided. As for testing your staff, I don't recall a single incident I which I could be accused of such.

Thank you.

[hivefleetchicken]

Onto the matter at hand.

Hi Doom!

I had no idea about this whole raiding/furry/whatnot thing going on.

I thought this was just your immediate response to a random individual commenting on race discrimination in OOC.

With that in mind - I don't appreciate being generalized with them because I didn't know the full context and ended up trying to defend them. Calling me someone who is non-stop testing your staff and taunting players offends me, because the people I taunt in LOOC are people I'm usually in a conversation with on steam, and we're both fucking around when we coincidentally pass by each other in the halls. So that might make you think I taunt your players, but it's all light-hearted and not one-sided. As for testing your staff, I don't recall a single incident I which I could be accused of such.

Thank you.

[Doomberg]

Onto the matter at hand.

Hi Doom!

I had no idea about this whole raiding/furry/whatnot thing going on.

I thought this was just your immediate response to a random individual commenting on race discrimination in OOC.

With that in mind - I don't appreciate being generalized with them because I didn't know the full context and ended up trying to defend them. Calling me someone who is non-stop testing your staff and taunting players offends me, because the people I taunt in LOOC are people I'm usually in a conversation with on steam, and we're both fucking around when we coincidentally pass by each other in the halls. So that might make you think I taunt your players, but it's all light-hearted and not one-sided. As for testing your staff, I don't recall a single incident I which I could be accused of such.

Thank you.

 

Actually, I'm well aware you haven't been partaking in this behavior. It was a general "you", aimed more at preempting any response they may make, considering it felt like you made this complaint on their behalf.

If that sounds silly, it might be.

I apologize, as it wasn't my intent to give you that impression.

Hi.

[Doomberg]

Onto the matter at hand.

Hi Doom!

I had no idea about this whole raiding/furry/whatnot thing going on.

I thought this was just your immediate response to a random individual commenting on race discrimination in OOC.

With that in mind - I don't appreciate being generalized with them because I didn't know the full context and ended up trying to defend them. Calling me someone who is non-stop testing your staff and taunting players offends me, because the people I taunt in LOOC are people I'm usually in a conversation with on steam, and we're both fucking around when we coincidentally pass by each other in the halls. So that might make you think I taunt your players, but it's all light-hearted and not one-sided. As for testing your staff, I don't recall a single incident I which I could be accused of such.

Thank you.

 

Actually, I'm well aware you haven't been partaking in this behavior. It was a general "you", aimed more at preempting any response they may make, considering it felt like you made this complaint on their behalf.

If that sounds silly, it might be.

I apologize, as it wasn't my intent to give you that impression.

Hi.

[Frances]

I do not seek their respect, I do not require their respect, I do not demand their respect. I have, in fact, one demand: Stop, or go.

I'm not particularly curious as to why they behave the way they do. No reason in the world would justify it.

And to answer your edit: I feel it was. Complacency and pointless attempts at reasoning with people who do not want to be reasonable was what allowed this sentiment of "I have the right to express my opinion even if it offends everyone" to take root.

I can't really disagree with that.

If you don't like users, don't want to discuss issues with users, and want to boot users out when something goes wrong with them, you can. If you're saying you can't be convinced to think otherwise, well, you can't be convinced.

I didn't think that was what the purpose of a headmin was, but there's only one headmin on this server, and they get to decide what their purpose is.