I'm just saying a few things about how I operate as ERT

[Fire and Glory]

Alright, I don't quite know why I'm making this thread since it really isn't meant to accomplish anything, but I thought I'd go ahead anyway.

So, I'll be saying some things about what I do as ERT, and why, specifically during evacuations but it applies in other situations too.

No one who isn't security or a head of staff is allowed lethal weapons in escape and on the shuttle.

I don't care how long it took for the ERT to be called, I don't care if you had to get protection for yourself, I don't care if all of security is dead, I especially don't care if you're going to hand them over at CC, the ERT is here now and you will hand in your weapons, I'll let it slide if you hand them over without complaint, but if you refuse, you'll get to enjoy a nice ride in the shuttle brig for Failure to Execute an Order and Possession of Contraband, if someone comes running with a desire to murder, the ERT will deal with it and you will just get in the way with your weapons, because you really should not know how to use them.

If you don't do what I tell you do, I'm not going to be nice and ask again.

If I tell you to go to escape, go to escape, or I will stun you and cuff you to a chair if I have to, if I tell you to stay out of some area, stay out, it's not my job to be to be nice, it's my job to keep your hides intact.

I do not have a magical ability to decipher overwhelming chat, as much as that'd be really helpful.

If everyone is babbling their heads off in a room like escape, I'm not going to be 100% on top of things, I'll sort of look around dazedly and only take decisive action if someone does something like start shooting, and if I expect someone to take hostile action against me, I'm going to shoot him on reflex if I see an attack log even if it turns out it's some guy in the other end of the room hitting something with a bit of paper, so be considerate, if you really need me to hear something, say it over radio, it sticks out more, I hand wave this as Tpr Carlson is engineer first and security detail second, so he's not that good at handling large groups.

And last, if I'm ever Leading Trooper, take cover because things are going to explode.

It just happens.

Alright, that's all, thank you.

Edited November 5, 2015 by Guest

[canon35]

I agree with your points.

First off, in a lot of situations that ERT is called for, people are going to be packing (And sometimes walking armouries). This can just complicate things if ERT is trying to deal with something and people get in the way.

Second, We don't have time to keep asking you to stand down.

Third, this is why people ask you to be quiet.

[Guest]

ERT is almost always a bunch of fragmented borderline balds and milsim kiddies who have no idea what they're doing.

I don't blame anyone who refuses to hand over weapons and avoids live ERT like the plague and/or loots dead ERT.

[Fire and Glory]

ERT is almost always a bunch of fragmented borderline balds and milsim kiddies who have no idea what they're doing.

I don't blame anyone who refuses to hand over weapons and avoids live ERT like the plague and/or loots dead ERT.

Unfortunately, that hinders those ERT's with a modicum of experience who want to do it right,

We really could do with an ERT whitelist, to cut down on those with no idea on what they're doing as well as help get a bit more trust for the ERT.

I may be stupidly heavy handed and somewhat slow but I'm not melting your face off with my always-lethal laser carbine.

And it's not like we would honestly scare off the new people who can't experience the roles, the ERT isn't common enough to have that much effect on one's experience, and they hold enough power to make a whitelist needed.

[Guest]

No matter how you cut it, ERT is always going to be valid salad for antags unless the mood of the server drastically changes. No antag will even bat an eye at brutally murdering an ERT member, or hunting down the entire team one by one with little to no RP.

And because of the lack of experience, or robustness, and the lack of leniency towards protagonist or neutral players from antags, they're never really going to be trusted as a genuine stabilizing force by the general population. And as such, attempts to disarm will be met with violence and resistance.

[Fire and Glory]

No matter how you cut it, ERT is always going to be valid salad for antags unless the mood of the server drastically changes. No antag will even bat an eye at brutally murdering an ERT member, or hunting down the entire team one by one with little to no RP.

And because of the lack of experience, or robustness, and the lack of leniency towards protagonist or neutral players from antags, they're never really going to be trusted as a genuine stabilizing force by the general population. And as such, attempts to disarm will be met with violence and resistance.

I don't really care how the antags treat me as ERT, the ERT is a tough nut to crack, especially since (if they have a full team at least) they typically operate in at least pairs, and the minute you open fire is the minute we have the all clear to shoot back.

And honestly, if some antag manages to kill the heavily armed (and armored, I might add.) ERT then what's your gun going to do about it?

And if the ERT can't be the stabilizing force, let Security be it, I just don't want civvies running with lethals, Officers are perfectly fine.

We might not be able to bring the station to stability, as that'd require us to get called way earlier then the accepted threshold, but at least cooperate with our attempts to make things at least slightly less of the chaotic free-for-all's that generally get the ERT called in the first place.

I honestly don't see the corroboration between antag's treatment of ERT and the flat-out refusing of ERT orders.

[Guest]

That's fine, man. Obviously that's your prerogative as an ERT regular to see things that way and operate however you like. But few if any are going to sacrifice their perceived right to self defense equipment. And I quietly support them as a sec regular.

[Fire and Glory]

That's fine, man. Obviously that's your prerogative as an ERT regular to see things that way and operate however you like. But few if any are going to sacrifice their perceived right to self defense equipment. And I quietly support them as a sec regular.

Yeah, well, for all you other peeps, consider whether you are more safe without a weapon, or without a weapon and cuffed to a chair.

Maybe I'm strict, I don't know, if the situation is particularly bad, I won't begrudge people for packing a taser, but lethals are, again, just too much.

[Vanagandr]

Sec and ERT are reactive; they can't help you when Urist McNuke kicks his way into your office, all they can do is come by afterwards to pick up the bodies and cartridge casings.

When the redsuit plants C4 on the door and readies his C20 for a brisk round of BREACH AND CLEAR, all you can truly count on is yourself and your pilfered e-carbine.

[Guest]

Or your well drilled corps of baton javelin throwing laser rifle militia.