[Denied] Coolbc's Unban Appeal

[coolbc2000]

BYOND Key: Coolbc2000

Total Ban Length: 10080 minutes.

Banning staff member's Key: tishinastalker

Reason of Ban:

Reason for Appeal:

First of all I would like to declare that I was not talked to at all about this, the next day after that round I was still unbanned and having a good time. I had plenty of time and was not talked to after that round.

Second of all, let's head to the stunbaton. The reason I stunned the HoP at the time, (Enter the Tajaran name here because I forget it...) he/she was cutting in line, and pushing me around, after she was /ordered/ to stop and head to the brig, he continued to pushing me and so I stunned him/her and the Captain took him/her away.

As for the flashbang I really have no excuse, it was not armed but I still should not have thrown it anyway.

And I believe that tish had really no idea about the ban, there was only one flashbang thrown at the very last second of the restart, after stating multiple flashbangs were thrown, I think I remember her not even being there... So to be honest... I am very sure why this is here /now/

As for the IC reports that "will be coming" the reasoning up there shall suffice.

[Dreviore]

I'll tell you right now, no IR shall be opened about this, it was decided by Gollee that if an admin intervenes it's no longer canon.

Now, I wasn't there, but as soon as you stunned the HoP someone on discord mentioned you doing that at the end of the round. Then suddenly we were notified that you had thrown a flashbang at a DO.

[coolbc2000]

Now, I wasn't there, but as soon as you stunned the HoP someone on discord mentioned you doing that at the end of the round. Then suddenly we were notified that you had thrown a flashbang at a DO.

 

The flashbang was thrown down at medbay, away from the DO's prying eyes.

[TishinaStalker]

First of all I would like to declare that I was not talked to at all about this

 

You were not caught by staff before the round reset for some unknown reason. I had to come in from off server during class after being messagedby Sierra. Usually when this happens, people have the common sense to stay on the server the next round in case staff need to talk to them because they understand they broke the rules. You were observing the round, but logged off when I finished gathering information from logs.

 

the next day after that round I was still unbanned and having a good time. I had plenty of time and was not talked to after that round.

 

That is a blatant lie. The next day after the round would be today.

From today

[11:17:56]MISC: Mirrored ban #4361 for player coolbc2000.

 

It is impossible for you to have played today because you were banned in the round after the EoR grief.

 

Second of all, let's head to the stunbaton. The reason I stunned the HoP at the time, (Enter the Tajaran name here because I forget it...) he/she was cutting in line, and pushing me around, after she was /ordered/ to stop and head to the brig, he continued to pushing me and so I stunned him/her and the Captain took him/her away.

 

Soooo, you stunned him because he cut in line?

From yesterday's round

[14:06:47]ATTACK: Coolbc2000/(Mark Syion) disarmed Houssam Jawdat (jackboot)

[14:06:56]ATTACK: Coolbc2000/(Mark Syion) disarmed Houssam Jawdat (jackboot)

[14:06:58]ATTACK: Coolbc2000/(Mark Syion) disarmed Houssam Jawdat (jackboot)

[14:06:59]ATTACK: Coolbc2000/(Mark Syion) disarmed Houssam Jawdat (jackboot)

[14:07:16]ATTACK: Coolbc2000/(Mark Syion) stunned Jackboot/(Houssam Jawdat) with the the stunbaton

[14:07:26]ATTACK: Coolbc2000/(Mark Syion) disarmed Mrrazuraghran Halmrrdynh (menown)

[14:08:05]ATTACK: Mark Syion (coolbc2000) primed a flashbang

 

This is every log that involved you on the Odin. You didn't try anything. All you did was wordlessly go up and start disarming people, stunning Houssam, and then throwing a flashbang. In fact, here is your second lie, nobody ordered Houssam to the brig. Not a single time was an attempt at communication made with him before you resorted to disarming and stunning. I don't know what's going through your head that's telling you "Yeah, this was okay for me to do on the Odin or at all as Security personnel."

 

As for the flashbang I really have no excuse, it was not armed but I still should not have thrown it anyway.

 

That is your last lie. The flashbang was primed as shown above.

 

And I believe that tish had really no idea about the ban, there was only one flashbang thrown at the very last second of the restart, after stating multiple flashbangs were thrown, I think I remember her not even being there... So to be honest... I am very sure why this is here /now/

 

Whether you threw one or a dozen flashbangs is irrelevant. You shouldn't be throwing flashbangs at all on the Odin because of the rule that you should know very well as a long standing player. I did not make a hasty ruling. I gathered information first and I acted from there. You were guilty of end of round grief and you were banned for it.

 

As for the IC reports that "will be coming" the reasoning up there shall suffice.

 

I never said any IC reports would be coming. Do not put words in my mouth. Lastly, do not misrepresent/lie about any facts. You are forgetting that I have access to the server logs. If you misrepresent or lie about a fact, then I will find out. I am the last person you want to lie or misrepresent facts to, and I am now very reluctant to unban you for it.

[coolbc2000]

You were not caught by staff before the round reset for some unknown reason. I had to come in from off server during class after being messagedby Sierra. Usually when this happens, people have the common sense to stay on the server the next round in case staff need to talk to them because they understand they broke the rules. You were observing the round, but logged off when I finished gathering information from logs.

 

Right... I was later on that day, playing him, I even saw a screenshot of my flashbang on the ground. It was posted in OOC...

 

That is a blatant lie. The next day after the round would be today.

 

Could be so, I have no sence of time right now because of studying, felt like it was two days ago, I just remember playing a good few rounds after the event took place.

 

Soooo, you stunned him because he cut in line?

This is every log that involved you on the Odin. You didn't try anything. All you did was wordlessly go up and start disarming people, stunning Houssam, and then throwing a flashbang. In fact, here is your second lie, nobody ordered Houssam to the brig. Not a single time was an attempt at communication made with him before you resorted to disarming and stunning. I don't know what's going through your head that's telling you "Yeah, this was okay for me to do on the Odin or at all as Security personnel."

 

He was indeed ordered by the CIAA and the Captain to stop cutting in the line and pushing people in the line. I am not too sure who the Captain and the CIAA was but I don't think it would be very hard to find out and get there side of the story.

 

That is your last lie. The flashbang was primed as shown above.

 

No excuse for that one, I usually don't arm flashbangs for "Fun."

 

I never said any IC reports would be coming. Do not put words in my mouth. Lastly, do not misrepresent/lie about any facts. You are forgetting that I have access to the server logs. If you misrepresent or lie about a fact, then I will find out. I am the last person you want to lie or misrepresent facts to, and I am now very reluctant to unban you for it.

 

Then by all means, look at the server logs, the HoP was ordered by the CIAA and the Captain to cut it out and step aside into the brig.

[coolbc2000]

May I add that this is my first ever /ban/ from the server, should I have not been given a warning or even just a three day ban? And not a /7/ day ban?

Even if I know the rules, why do I get a harsher ban then other people with EOR grief?

[TishinaStalker]

Right... I was later on that day, playing him, I even saw a screenshot of my flashbang on the ground. It was posted in OOC...

 

No you weren't.

 

[14:19:21]ADMIN: tishinastalker has banned coolbc2000.

 

After this, there was no logs of you on the server until the failed access log today.

 

Could be so, I have no sence of time right now because of studying, felt like it was two days ago, I just remember playing a good few rounds after the event took place.

 

Well you didn't. At all.

 

He was indeed ordered by the CIAA and the Captain to stop cutting in the line and pushing people in the line. I am not too sure who the Captain and the CIAA was but I don't think it would be very hard to find out and get there side of the story.

 

From yesterday

[14:06:26]SAY: CCIA Lund/XanderDox : There is no cutting

[14:06:33]SAY: CCIA Lund/XanderDox : This is not a line to get in,

[14:06:39]SAY: CCIA Lund/XanderDox : This is a - /Enough/

[14:06:47]SAY: CCIA Lund/XanderDox : I said enough.

[14:07:01]SAY: CCIA Lund/XanderDox : Captain, grab your Head of Personnel and enter the holding area,

[14:07:07]SAY: Jack Sayek/Slc97 : jawdat, Mark dammit!

[14:07:12]SAY: CCIA Lund/XanderDox : To wait for ou- Ah, Administrator Rase..

[14:07:13]SAY: CCIA Jonathan Rase/SierraKomodo : Pardon me

 

This was all the CCIA and Captain logs leading up to the disarming. This is not only a harsh lesson in EoR grief, but also a harsh lesson on being security. If they tell you "Go detain X", then you don't roll up and start wordlessly attacking them if they're not a threat. That is literally not how Security works. You only have yourself to blame here once again.

 

No excuse for that one, I usually don't arm flashbangs for "Fun."

 

From yesterday

[14:12:18]OOC: Mark Syion/Coolbc2000 : *I secretly wanted that flashbang to go off.*

 

That's not what this is telling me. This is telling me the exact opposite.

 

Even if I know the rules, why do I get a harsher ban then other people with EOR grief?

 

Look at Skull for that one. His last note, previous to the ban, called for a week ban. Although, to be fair, it more explicitly says "If similar situation repeats" with said similar situation being completely ignoring pain RP in order to robust. Seemed more fitting to get week banned for EoR as opposed to bad RP in this sense though. Would you rather be week banned for bad RP or for EoR? I'd choose the latter because it makes the most sense in-terms of the ban length ordered by Skull.

[coolbc2000]

Very well, it seems I will be getting no momentum with this Appeal. I will take the seven day's and continue with my studying.

[TishinaStalker]

Fine by me. Appeal denied. Good luck with your studies.