Absynth Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Currently, if you're in space and you toggle off your air tank or even just drop it for more than a half a second, you will instantly get lung damage that will probably kill you very fast (or very slow if you're lucky). This is pretty stupid considering that there should be air in your helmet or you should be able to hold your breath. It should be checking to see if you have a helmet on before it starts destroying your chest cavity.
Guest Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 http://www.geoffreylandis.com/vacuum.html Explosive Decompression ... In The USAF Flight Surgeon's Guide, Fischer lists the following effects due to mechanical expansion of gases during decompression. ... 2. The Lungs During Rapid Decompression. Because of the relatively large volume of air normally contained in the lungs, the delicate nature of the pulmonary tissue, and the intricate system of alveolar airways for ventilation, it is recognized that the lungs are potentially the most vulnerable part of the body during a rapid decompression. Whenever a rapid decompression is faster than the inherent capability of the lungs to decompress (vent), a transient positive pressure will temporarily build up in the lungs. If the escape of air from the lungs is blocked or seriously impeded during a sudden drop in the cabin pressure, it is possible for a dangerously high pressure to build up and to overdistend the lungs and thorax. No serious injuries have resulted from rapid decompressions with open airways, even while wearing an oxygen mask, but disastrous, or fatal, consequences can result if the pulmonary passages are blocked, such as forceful breath-holding with the lungs full of air. Under this condition, when none of the air in the lungs can escape during a decompression, the lungs and thorax becomes over-expanded by the excessively high intrapulmonic pressure, causing actual tearing and rupture of the lung tissues and capillaries. The trapped air is forced through the lungs into the thoracic cage, and air can be injected directly into the general circulation by way of the ruptured blood vessels, with massive air bubbles moving throughout the body and lodging in vital organs such as the heart and brain. The movement of these air bubbles is similar to the air embolism that can occur in SCUBA diving and submarine escape when an individual ascends from underwater to the surface with breath-holding. Because of lung construction, momentary breath-holding, such as swallowing or yawning, will not cause sufficient pressure in the lungs to exceed their tensile strength. The italicized is a complex way of explaining that suddenly attempting to breathe in a non-existent atmosphere holds a high risk of immediate lung collapse.
Zundy Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Turning off the air intake on a pressurised spess suit does not cause instant decompression delts. I'm all for a thing to check if your wearing appropriate clothing before gibbing your lungs, the question is: Is this actually possible from a coding perspective?
Absynth Posted September 12, 2016 Author Posted September 12, 2016 I'm not talking about taking off your helmet in space. I'm talking about turning off your air tank while you are still wearing a full hardsuit, and instantly getting bleeding lungs.
Guest Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 do you not know how breathing works Whenever a rapid decompression is faster than the inherent capability of the lungs to decompress (vent), a transient positive pressure will temporarily build up in the lungs. If the escape of air from the lungs is blocked or seriously impeded during a sudden drop in the cabin pressure, it is possible for a dangerously high pressure to build up and to overdistend the lungs and thorax. This counts for breathing as well. When your intake is connected to nothing, you breathe in nothing but the atmosphere around you through your mask. Which, upon attempting to inhale an atmosphere that contains no air needed to survive, it'll cause your lungs to start collapsing into themselves. Don't even have to be in a space suit. You'll notice that the difference between not being able to breathe in the oxygen in a partially vented room, or a room completely exposed to the vacuum of space, is very much different. in 40-79 kpa ranges (typically when oxygen has mole presence in the atmosphere), you'll only experience minimal oxygen loss until you require an air tank, simply because you're in an area where oxygen counts are way too low but are at least enough to not quickly pop your lung. When no mole presence of oxygen exists, your lungs immediately start to fail in functioning due to the difference between "Not taking in enough oxygen" and "taking in no oxygen at all". This system in the code is reflective of how decompression works in real life, in addition to it being an accurate reflection of asphyxiation.
Zundy Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Why do you keep mentioned rapid decompression when we're talking about pressurised space suits in which clean, breathable air is no longer circulating leaving progressively CO2 rich air? The OP isn't saying people should function fine in the spess suit, just that the damage you'd expect from decompression not happen. The suffocation can stay. At the moment mechanics wise if you hook up an empty tank on station you just start to suffocate. Do the same whilst in space and you're lungs also pop. It's nonsense IRL and nonsense IG.
Guest Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 you try "breathing" in a vacuum then, since you seem to apparently know better than USAF space flight surgeons.
Zundy Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Put your head in a container and seal it. Try to breathe. Note the lack of popped lungs. Note how you begin to become light headed. We're talking about sealed spess suits. At this point I don't know if you're being obtuse for giggles or not you ragamuffin.
Guest Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Put your head in a container and seal it. Try to breathe. Note the lack of popped lungs. Note how you begin to become light headed. We're talking about sealed spess suits. At this point I don't know if you're being obtuse for giggles or not you ragamuffin. I'm not sure who's being obtuse here, someone who doesn't understand that breathing inside a box that sustains its own pressure versus trying to breathe through an EVA helmet that filtrates gas in and out are not the same. This is very basic physics and logic, in that If = condition(s), then = resultant(s). [Because matter is neither created nor destroyed, thou giveth and taketh away to be redistributed elsewhere.] Here, educate yourself further: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breathing -- If you paid attention in biology during high school, this should all be familiar information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_exposure -- Slightly more advanced but clear information in regards to explosive decompression. A space suit stops your body from suffering external physical damage. The necessity for internals is to protect someone engaging in extra-vehicular activity and increase their longevity by actually allowing them to breathe in zero-to-low pressure environments. So basically, to stop your internal organs from getting fucked. An additional countermeasure to ensure a spaceman's safety. So, again, Zundy, do tell about how you are more qualified than USAF field surgeons, astronauts who deal with these conditions every day, and several hundred experts over many decades who have collected this knowledge and immortalized it in texts in one form or another, whether on paper or digitized. I am very eager to hear your rebuttal how the findings of real life which incurred actual terrible loss of real life is unrealistic and improper for the game setting, especially for a game that was designed from the start to be an atmospheric simulator. I mean, honestly, people could just decide to not be terrible at surviving in vacuum-conditions and put their internals tank either in their pocket or on their belt so they don't lose it and suffocate. Which is kind of a requirement if you want to play this game. Baystation's medical and health system are meant to reflect how brutal it can be to get punched, shot, burned, cut, poisoned and set on fire. It enhances immersion and incurs levels of strategy into playing the game, it rewards cautious players who play it safe and incurs consequences for run 'n gunners who whine when their game isn't simple enough for them and completely ignore the prospect of learning more about the game's mechanics and how to work around scenarios with obstacles. But hey, why would anyone want to learn from video game experiences in order to better their own personal gameplay? Better to shake up the entire playing field so that not only does it suit you, but everyone else is to be forced to play at your standards! Damn the fact that it defeats the point of offering challenge and establishing consequences for action or inaction. People would not be expected to reasonably survive being spaced without a space-suit, or trying to breath in an atmosphere with no actual air in it. It wouldn't happen. Sorry. Better luck next time if you get caught in a vacuum, hopefully you're able to snatch a softsuit in time before anyone else.
Zundy Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Space suits don't function IRL as they do in this game. You're original argument was, "well aaaaactuuuuually if you're in a depressurised environment" which a space suit isn't, even without a Portable Life Support System or an umbilical hose, so the whole 'War and Peace' essay on respiration and pressure is literally an irrelevant waste of time but I'm glad you enjoyed writing it as much as I did ignoring it. Your next argument is simply "git gud" which though crude, is fair enough. I don't mind either way really but on the whole think it would be cool if the suits were more true to life in that when your air canister runs dry, the atmosphere in your suit doesn't spontaneously vanish/vent into space inexplicably, though actually getting good at the game would also be sufficient for most.
Guest Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 even without a Portable Life Support System or an umbilical hose In-game voidsuits don't have those. Except, perhaps chemical injector equipped hardsuits (for dexalin), but those are rare and number in-between 1-3 in standard gameplay, and traitors could potentially buy them through the uplink if needed. Your next argument is simply "git gud" which though crude, is fair enough. I don't mind either way really but on the whole think it would be cool if the suits were more true to life in that when your air canister runs dry, the atmosphere in your suit doesn't spontaneously vanish/vent into space inexplicably, though actually getting good at the game would also be sufficient for most. It would last hardly a few seconds, even if it existed. Enough for a narrow get-away? Maybe, but you get enough of a window already. You get 10 seconds before you pass out from oxygen deprivation. If you blow it, you blow it. No shame in crying out "AI FIRELOCK DYING" even if it's an RP server, because decompression is vicious. You're never alone and there's always someone to help you, unless you choose to cast that away in favor of lone wolfing. You need only ask, though.
Zundy Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Too be fair I agree. Full disclosure, I was mearly leaping to the defence of Absynth due to the perceived irrelevance (to me) of your reply. I'll stop being a passive aggressive dick now fam. I love like you bro.
Nikov Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Currently, if you're in space and you toggle off your air tank or even just drop it for more than a half a second, you will instantly get lung damage that will probably kill you very fast (or very slow if you're lucky). This is pretty stupid considering that there should be air in your helmet YES. or you should be able to hold your breath. NO. It should be checking to see if you have a helmet on before it starts destroying your chest cavity. YES. Wasn't that easy.
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