XenosTiger

Two ideas. One- a new OMEGA stationbound unit. Exists specifically to do industrial labor, nothing else. No real personality. (I've basically retconned OMEGA being a free synth, since... Well. That didn't go anywhere). Second one is a stationbound that is basically just an elevated drone, reminiscent of Makita. Doesn't talk, just goes and does whatever is needed.

BYOND Key: XenosTiger Total Ban Length: Permanent synthetic ban. Banning staff member's Key: Alberyk Reason of Ban: For playing a character that was pretty much against the set lore and theme of the server, after having those issues explained to them a couple of times already. If you want to know if anything is fine or not, be in contact with staff, do not try to keep going around them or push things on the way you want them to be. Reason for Appeal: I've learned my lesson and have created a synth that should be a lot more resistant to my normal urges to goof off when I'm playing late night rounds.

I appreciate it. Thanks, Alb! Hopefully I won't cause any more issues on the server.

Oh, sorry. I didn't respond because it looked like it had become a conversation between admins. I think this is a fair outcome- replacing the permaban with a synthban. That'd give me another opportunity to prove myself, and the punishment fits the crime. If I act up again, I believe it'd be a permaban though, correct?

She was considerably embellishing her story, due to the fact that "I got ripped out of my shell in a telescience test and put into a human body" wouldn't have been as impressive sounding. It was my final attempt to get her on the server, but I definitely could have done it better, I agree. And I have been taking things into consideration. If my ban's lifted, I'll do better... Mostly by making sure I don't get on when I'm in a goofy mood, which seems to be when all the problems have arisen.

I was under the impression that androids were afforded some degree more leeway in terms of what they could and could not do. But, like I said, the final straw that got me banned was me joining as one round to goof off. Stupid on my part, I know. But I was told to stop using Carolin, so I did, went back to using OMEGA. And since I only played as her for two rounds, I figured I could just ask the people involved to just ignore the fact that she ever even existed. is OMEGA's concept, of being a mass-produced model designed with minimal personality, an issue on this server?

BYOND Key: XenosTiger Staff BYOND Key: Alberyk Game ID: Unknown. Reason for complaint: Applying a Permanent Ban instead of a Synthetic Ban. Evidence/logs/etc: See attached image. Additional remarks: While I actually do agree that my behavior that round was decidedly unacceptable- I was in a goofy mood and decided to join as OMEGA, a stationbound synthetic that I designed to fit into the rules of Aurora, I decided, unwisely, to do a bit of MRP that round. I make no attempts to excuse that fact, but I'm not pleased with the result. According to Alberyk, all of the infractions that lead up to my ban were in regards to behavior as a synthetic. Which, other than the two rounds where I joined as a human and did some admittedly dumb stuff, is the only role I play- Stationbound synthetic, pAI, or maintenance drone. I do not dispute the crimes- I am simply disputing the punishment dispensed. Perma-ban for almost exclusively synthetic RP issues, when a stationbound ban would solve the problem as well? I honestly don't understand it. Though, I will state that I'll do better synthetic RP if I do get back on. No more joining late at night when I'm too likely to goof off!

Literally the only thing I'm going to say here is this. More rules won't stop bad players from being bad. It will only stop good players from being good- and make more good players become perceived as bad. The people who try to match the lore will be worried sick about it... and the people who don't give a shit about lore will continue to not give a shit about lore.

If he was in less-than-perfect condition, then both my Advanced Scanner and Medical HUD were lying to me. At the time I left him, they both said he had no damage at all. And I was still performing surgery on the quartermaster (Who outranks assistants in priority,) to fix the fact that they had literally broken _everything_. And I was assuming that someone else in medical could treat them.

Okay, now that the initial shock and indignation that I assume comes naturally from getting a character/player complaint filed against you, is gone, I feel like I can properly address this issue without resorting to ad-hominem and making an ass of myself. Since this is my first time doing anything like this, forgive me if I don't do a particularly good job of being tact. Allow me to preface my defense, by saying this. Ask any of the numerous admins and mods who get routinely bwoinked by me when I want to know if something is or is not allowed by my laws- if I actually perceive that doing something goes against my laws, I -will- take a moment to Ahelp and see if it's acceptable- and if they say no, I just go back to my business and resume acting within what I -know- to be acceptable by the laws. Disrespecting crew is, unless my interpretation is wrong, not disallowed by law unless it actually causes a deficit in productivity- otherwise, it's just an incredibly risky behavior that may very well end up with you getting scrapped. And when that crew happens to be bald mcbalderson, pale white, no hair, no definining characteristics... and nine times out of ten, seeing someone like that has ended with Epsilon having to go in to clean up from the inevitable death (and likely property damage), from said baldie... Epsilon does tend to be rather skeptical, and scathing, towards them. If they show her that they aren't a threat, she'll actually be nice to them, like she is to literally -anyone- that doesn't try to shoot her or cause issues on the station. And considering that there was a band of Baldos running around the station, shouting at people and generally being nuisances... those baldies were, at best, causing a drop in productivity, which would cause Epsilon to be rather crass with them. And as for Epsilon refusing to treat them? By default, the first thing Epsilon does upon arriving on-station, is to turn on medical HUD, so she can keep an eye on the vitals of everyone around her. Berry, your character ran up to Epsilon while she was responding to an -emergency call-, with a patient thrown down disposals, who was about to die. Your character, on the other hand, was treated, and your vitals returned to %99. Other than the bullet inside your chest, you were in perfect health- as opposed to the person who was in crit when Eppi arrived to them mere moments later. If Eppi had done a surgery to take the bullet out, the other person, who was of higher rank than assistant, and therefore higher priority ACCORDING TO NT AI LAW, would be dead by the time Eppi got there. And the fact that the AI was screaming at her over Binary AND Medical didn't help matters either- even if Eppi wasn't bound to them at the time. As for the other issue, of the whole security debacle. I don't appreciate you or Fisk claiming me to be metafriending. Epsilon has a natural distrust of security, and she (Along with me, OOCLY,) always has the Corporate Regulations page up at all times. Granted, I legitimately didn't know that bags of holding were contraband outside of science, but... Tazing a scientist who wasn't resisting you at all, merely ignoring you, could be considered i117, excessive use of force in detainment. (Using force to subdue an unarmed and compliant suspect). Granted, they weren't strictly compliant, but they weren't strictly non-compliant either. They posed no threat, and an aggressive grab would have been sufficient. But, that's neither here nor there. When Epsilon sees a -cadet- taze someone who wasn't running, wasn't resisting, wasn't threatening them in any way, yeah, she'll call out that a cadet tazed someone who wasn't running, resisting, or threatening them in any way. Not to mention that, if she had been allowed to take the gear back to science, it stops being contraband. I'm not -entirely- certain where the law resides on that matter- on whether it's chargeable as soon as it's taken out of the department,- but I assume that yes, it can still be charged. And now, for a more personal note. I personally see three solutions to this issue that could deal with it permanently. Either Epsilon gets deleted, I'm forced to compromise on Epsilon's character- and promptly stop playing her... OOOOOR... The ideal solution, would be to bring back MMI-chassis. It would solve so many issues that people have with Epsilon, as well as provide a conclusion to a long story-arc that I've been playing out for the past two, almost three months, while I wait patiently for MMI-shells to be brought back. We all know what's going to happen as soon as they are. Epsilon stops being a Cyborg, and becomes a Shell that's indentured to NT for 2 years as part of her contract, and experiment terms. Either way, I've said my piece, and I hope I've cleared at least some of this up? Sorry if I seem aggressive in tone, it's just that this is much more personal than any other forum post I've done here.

Bumping this thread because I think it's a good idea to consider re-implementing this. Because one shift relatively recently, a person got asploded, and we had two, maybe three options to revive him from just a brain. 1. Wait for someone /else/ to die, cut their brain out, put his brain in, and clone them, and then deal with the issue for that new person who is bodiless. 2. Find some way to bring back Genetics and fuck around until we can make Protohumans (Which is apparently purposely not a thing right now?) 3. Put the poor bastard in an MMI and make him a permanent slave to NT- just because he had the misfortune of not having a body anymore. Personally, I think that if no other options are available and the person has to be put in an MMI, there should be more options than just being a slave to NT for the rest of your life, or being a practically useless Spiderbot for the rest of your life- until they decide to take option one because of how useless spiderbots are. Putting the MMI into an IPC chassis would be an interesting solution- and something of a compromise. They'd still remain a (potentially) Legally recognized individual- but would have to work tirelessly for NanoTrasen once they paid off the expenses for whichever type of chassis they got put into. ((Also this is was the solution Jackboot suggested for the whole... Epsilon issue, so....)) Edit: The CMO at the time, Phoebe Essel, did not allow him to be put into an MMI and slaved to NT, on the basis of human rights. Which is a valid response, and, quite probably, the preferable one- but I still get the feeling that, despite Epsilon scrambling to try to find some way to let the guy keep living, he was effectively removed from the round at... what was it, the fifteen, thirty minute mark?

What I was thinking- which has undoubtedly been planted in my head from other, more talented individuals than I, is this: make it a sort of minigame, where you have to actually compare the person's DNA hash before and after the cloning, and fix whatever genetic drift might have occurred, lest they get some sort of debuff that would take the highest-level genetic cure to fix? I can't remember which thread I got that idea from, but I know, as a -fact-, that it's not my own original thought.

Hullo here, resident Cyborg player here. I don't really have much to say about this, other than to make a few points that I consider to be relatively important. As Syno said, the Synthetic "race" has one strength that makes them so compelling for me to play them- and, I think, quite a few other people. And that strength is their diversity. Robots who are the bare minimum of what someone would describe as "intelligent", like Ecom, who work almost entirely through pre-programmed responses and method calls... Positronic AI units that range from barely more complex than a robot, to beings that are capable of emulating emotion to such a degree that, if put in a Shell, they would almost entirely pass as human... To Cyborgs- the wildcards. The ones that I feel people have fleshed out the least, but who are sentient brains put inside some magical device to let them interface with machines, but never again with an organic body. Attempts have been made to strip them of that individuality, in the past. Yes, they would adhere more to "realism", but, at the same time, it would have made them bland, dull, and generally unappealing to most people who play them- which is a major issue for me. Epsilon, for example. You either love her or you hate her (Or you think "Muh realisums" when you see her)- but, for better or for worse, Epsilon was made by two things. Practically no lore or guidelines for Cyborgs here, leading me to base her around Bay... And a desire to push people into the Uncanny Valley- a cyborg that acts and, for the most part, _feels_ like a person. Yes, she's still bound by her laws. Yes, she will dutifully serve anyone that gives her a command that can be followed. But most people that actually get to know her, end up trusting her enough that, even without laws, they'd feel safe around her. And in the end, what concerns me most is thus: Which way will the lore go? Allow or deny, Stationbounds need some major work done, I think.

B-but the bees...

Well, the thing is, I'm generally pretty good at taking people's advice to heart- I didn't really notice anything different in Epsilon's behaviors, but if you say that I'm doing better, I'll believe you because my past has shown that I do improve when given criticism. As for Epsilon being taken out of the chassis and put in an IPC frame, I was told by a CCIA that it would be a one-time thing until a whitelist app was made. I agreed, saying that it was simply an IC experiment to prove that it could be done, and that Epsilon would, by the terms of the experiment, be returned to a Cyborg shell at the end of the shift, which did take place. However, I say that I will need to apply for a separate whitelist for Epsilon to become a Shell, because... Well, the mechanics would have to be altered across the server, to allow an MMI to be put into an IPC chassis.