Absynth

Considering you brought that up and are still holding that over me I think you're the one holding the grudge, not me. I'm not the mod who's been constantly condescending, admitting to following me during rounds to find things to punish me for, or taking over punishments from other staff in mid-game so you get to be the one to do it. Ever since Discord you've been harassing and bullying me out of spite.

I really think it's just sad that you're so obsessed with being right that you refuse to see logic or any viewpoints other than what you've decided. Let's face it, I was never going to change your mind. Ever since you started arguing with me on the discord political channel you've been dying to permaban me and have constantly overpunished for minor things. There's no way you should be a mod, and especially not one with the power to permaban people. I'll be glad to leave, only to get away from you.

What? No it's not. They are two totally different things. I shouldn't have to explain to you what those terms mean. Gronko enjoys getting into fights. It's completely within reason that she would join a militia and not be afraid of a few stray bullets (which I retreated from at the times I realized I'd been shot). Ask anyone who's worked with her. Mining is dangerous. The HoP himself couldn't give any example of this being true, why do you think it is? Have you checked the logs to see if it was accurate, or do you just believe it? Who decided that? Where are the rules written down for what's a "combat skill" and what's not? Did the armed janitor have combat skills? It's not even a gun you hold, it's a mining drill that you point at things you want to drill. Literally the only reason anyone complained at any time during this round was because I used the drill, not because I joined and acted in the militia. Correct? Toeing the line of acceptability implicitely states that I am within acceptability. If an admin-played character is screaming at people to charge - and not specifying anyone - and I don't charge, am I not breaking the rules by failing to follow an order? If I didn't pass the line of acceptability what right do you have to punish me? So you immediately believe I'm guilty of breaking rules because rules exist? What? How does this make any sense at all? You're only listening to evidence that agrees with you and discounting the fact that we were given permission to fight the antags and screamed at to charge in.

Why does it take combat skill to use a mining tool? Why does my ban mention nothing about hunting antagonists? Are you just going to ignore the fact that I the HoP gave us permission to do so? In an unban request am I supposed to list out the reasons why I "deserve" to continue playing rather than the facts of the incident? Why should a decision like this be about your opinion of me rather than the facts? There's a lot of questions here still unanswered.

It's been a week since my last comment and still no reply to this. A reminder I was banned for "powergaming" despite being told previously that using a thermal drill in combat is allowed.

That did happen, howevet security and the ery were there as well, and said orders were given to them. I never told any miner to run at the hostiles, if we were alone, thr situation would not be the same. Explain to me how the orders were given to them specifically and not to the militia who were also present.

Ask Alberyk if he screamed "charge" and "the first one to die is a hero" during the fight in R&D. He screamed them repeatedly. Not to ERT, to everyone.

Ah, well I suppose I am wrong about that, then. My other points still stand.

I only ever attacked anyone in the south of R&D, I did not attack anyone on the surface or at the vault. On the surface I went out to see what was happening, got hit by a stray bullet, and retreated. Did I ever attack you? No. Did I use any firearms or melee weapons? No, I used a tool. And as I mentioned, the HoP by his own actions made it clear that it was not just for defense, because he told us to move in (at the vault) when antags were clearly present. At no time was I told to hold back or stay in my own department. I was on the front lines, yes, and was told to charge in by the HoP. I also take issue with the ERT saying I shot them, because at no time was the Datamatt's red ERT ever on fire. The thermal drill sets people on fire. Check the logs and you will see that my points are valid. I was justified in front-lining due to the HoP using us as a security force. If we weren't intended to attack the heisters he wouldn't have screamed at everyone to charge in, he wouldn't have had us investigate the vault while the heisters were known to be there; he could have said at any time to remain in your departments and he did not. They even knew I had a thermal drill and armor and nobody said anything.

Is "could've gotten someone killed" worthy of a server permaban? I agree my actions could have been better in general during that round, but I did not get anyone killed (YOU killed Amalia), and my actions were justified by the militia set up by the HoP. The only times I was hit by bullets was from stray shots meant for other people, and I didn't even notice until later. I was not the only one fighting the heisters, I was the only one punished purely because I used a thermal drill. Not for valid hunting.

For the record, Johnson was IR'd and removed from mining for a week for throwing away a katana instead of giving it to security.

A much easier way of fixing this would be to make the target switch to the turf the clicked target is standing on rather than add a dispersion (which I presume will still have the lock-on effect). If the beam doesn't chase the target it's a simple matter to just step out of the way and robust the person firing. If there's a dispersion it makes it much less useful for actual controlled mining.

He did not tell the ERT to attack. He screamed "charge" repeatedly and "first one to die is a hero". She continued running after I hit her with the drill (so obviously I did not kill her), and I moved aside to let the red ERT and Gygax chase her. I injured Amalia with it, I did not kill her. The ERT beat her to unconsciousness with a rifle and they shot her until she died. I was hit by stray bullets, which I didn't even notice given the chaos. None of the ERT or the HoP told us to leave (more than just me were there, even roboticists were standing around). I did not shove past anyone, I moved aside to let them go through. The only shoving going on was because it was a small space and lots of people were there. I should also point out that the militia was specifically disarmed after all the ERT were dead and the alert went to blue, and nobody mentioned we shouldn't be helping fight off the invaders. No, you told us to arm up and, rather than go back to our departments to defend them, to go where the heisters were (vault/bridge). What is this but explicitely going after the heisters? I was never told to leave the area at any point when hostiles were around and neither were the other militia. I don't ever remember you telling anyone to stay in their departments. The first thing we did was wait at vault and try to make the elevator start working, presumably to go after the heisters, long before there was any ERT. When ERT arrived later I directed them outside as I was surface bridge with a hardsuit; the others had to go back down due to venting and I spotted the space bikes outside. I had to go to medbay because I toggled my chestpiece and immediately got broken lungs.

I definitely never hit any ERT with a thermal lance. You would have caught on fire, which didn't happen. I shot once through the R&D window with the door closed and once in the hallway, which mostly missed and hit the wall. I also did step aside for the ERT and the Gygax who killed the antags. I never actually killed anyone. But I was set on fire. I was just on oxycodone at the time, which is why it didn't do much to me. I'm talking about the fight in R&D maintenance, where you killed Amalia. Again, I did not kill Amalia. The ERT and the Gygax killed Amalia. I stepped aside to let them do their thing and chase the last heisters.

I definitely never hit any ERT with a thermal lance. You would have caught on fire, which didn't happen. I shot once through the R&D window with the door closed and once in the hallway, which mostly missed and hit the wall. I also did step aside for the ERT and the Gygax who killed the antags. I never actually killed anyone.

BYOND Key: Absynth Total Ban Length: Perma Banning staff member's Key: Scheveningen Reason of Ban: "Third case of powergaming with an overpowered weapon in a month. Long-standing behavior of powergaming and dodging character consequence by avoiding CCIAA action by refusing to testify and making new characters to dodge character-specific consequence." Reason for Appeal: Faysal, the HoP, requested a militia formed during a heist round because security was completely dead/disabled. He gathered up some people in the armory and told us afterwards to head to the bridge, as the heisters were currently in the vault. We attempted to get into the elevator (I believe there was an armed janitor and a few other people), but it was blocked. Eventually the AI opened a door and I went down to look, spotting them teleporting out with a hand tele. The heisters ran into bridge and we chased them to the upstairs bridge, but they went EVA. ERT was called and I waited there for them, telling them about the space bikes I saw outside with my goggles, and they chased them and then retreated while I watched outside. I was hit by stray shots and had to go to medbay later when they retreated. After that I followed the ERT around to watch for the heisters, and eventually Shit Went Down in R&D. There was a firefight and I unloaded on one with my thermal drill, and the ERT finished both that person and 2 others off. Apparently this is enough to deserve a permaban despite: a) the militia being allowed, by a head and admin, specifically to act as security and not to simply defend ourselves in our departments b) having no other weapons besides a drill and KA c) at no point did anyone including ERT or admins tell me to step aside d) I have never been warned or punished for using a thermal drill before (I was actually told it was okay to use despite people's complaints) e) I have never "avoided CCIA action" and haven't made any new characters in months - my last CCIA action I didn't even know about until after it was carried out because I rarely check forums f) being afk and unable to defend myself when I was permabanned.

"Just admit that I am right and you're wrong, despite evidence to the contrary" What damage did I do exactly? If I had rice in my bag it was from the other xenoflorist's plants on the floor being scooped up accidently, or from a much earlier batch I made that contained flour, cocoa and sugar. We've already established that I didn't leave any out on the floor, how can they teleport out of my bag and into the chaplain's hands? In any case, none of that is actually the reason for my ban, I was banned for, "Your actions should never over-arch that of the round antagonist" (what) and "willfully breaking IC rules". I am pretty sure that if any of my actions were the cause of any harm in the round it would have actually been mentioned in the ban reason, right?

I don't remember, it was like 2 months ago. The point is that I have witnesses who agree that all I did was leave ice peppers there, which nobody took, meanwhile the other xenoflorist left plants everywhere and grew tons of them. You don't remember this conversation? I asked you why he wasn't punished and you said because it was his first offense despite him causing multiple people dying. Way to deflect all my valid points and focus on stuff that doesn't matter, though.

You're using conflict as a reason for banning me now? What conflict? What escalation? Who did I hurt in any way by any of my actions? You're being completely unreasonable for something that was extremely minor and I have never even been warned for before. Tell me why you're using escalation of conflict rules now instead of actually explaining the reason you gave for the ban, namely 'over-arching the round antagonist', which is 'against the rules'? (hint: It's not). I was also told in round by admins that it was the other xenoflorist who's plants got people killed, not mine. Again, you're using hearsay as evidence. Not to mention, you stated you 'haven't seen an improvement' and then said you haven't been paying attention. Which is it? I apologize when I've done something wrong, and in this case I have not. I am very polite, to admins who don't treat me like dirt.

I'm still confused even about what rule I broke. As far as I know I didn't break any, as the reason for my ban was "overshadowing the round antagonist", which I'm pretty sure I didn't do, pretty sure isn't an actual rule, and pretty sure the antag that round was a stealth wizard. It's not like I self antagged here.

To be fair, nothing I say is going to convince you, right? Because you won't even listen to the facts.

I'm really baffled by the lack of truth in your post, Delta. It wasn't ice chilis that killed the people outside, the splatter in escape was YELLOW, not blue. The other xenoflorist's plants were yellow. No ice peppers left the garden at any time, because they were on the counter and I was watching them. Your "evidence" is nothing but hearsay. I never went to the brig or got arrested at all that round. The security officer who I accidently teleported into the morgue came back and was vaguely annoyed, but definitely did not die, and didn't die by any xenoflora. Thanks for implying I was the cause of his death, though. Explain how I "screwed over the round", please. Maybe with more honesty this time.

BYOND Key: Absynth Total Ban Length: Perma science ban Banning staff member's Key: Scheveningen (Delta) Reason of Ban: "Banned from Scientist, Geneticist, Roboticist, Xenobiologist, Lab Assistant - Extreme negligence to control research material as a xenobotanist, severe authority issues and awful roleplay behavior. Your actions should never over-arch that of the round antagonist. This is against the rules. This is not just incompetence, this is willfully breaking IC rules on purpose without any practical consideration for consequences. This ends now, sorry." Reason for Appeal: (State your reason for why you think you should be unbanned) All I did was make a mess in xenoflora and bring 4 ice peppers to the garden. There was another xenoflorist who got several people killed with his plants (I believe a chaplain stole them out of the garden), and I believe I was initially blamed for this and despite my protest and several witnesses saying it wasn't me, was still jobbanned. I have absolutely no idea what 'your actions should never over-arch that of the round antagonist' is supposed to imply, as I kept my science in R&D, didn't hurt a single person, didn't grow mutated plants outside of xenoflora, and have never been punished for anything even remotely like this before. A full science jobban for this seems ridiculous. This whole thing just smacks of an admin who was following me the whole round and looking for things to punish me with, and this is the best they could come up with.

BYOND Key: Absynth Total Ban Length: science perm Banning staff member's Key: SirCatnip Reason of Ban: Blew up an antag with a bomb Reason for Appeal I got banned for blowing up some mercs who were breaking into toxins, the argument from the admins in question seems to have been that I was valid hunting rather than self defense; I think for valid hunting you need to do actual hunting, and logically speaking if the mercs were breaking into toxins while I was there making bombs then it's not valid hunting. (I also got shot at with ion guns when I fell into the breach they made). Long story short I gibbed a few and it turns out one or two of them were admuns and I got permabanned from all science roles for it. I haven't been banned or warned since, and it was like like 6 months ago, nobody could answer what lesson I was supposed to learn from this ban so I can only assume it was just to be vindictive. I understand that valid hunting is bad, but I don't believe this was a case of that. If unbanned I won't be using Ein to play science roles anyway, and Ein was the only one I ever made weapons with. Anyway here's the second appeal for reference, the first one was deleted due to people dogpiling in for unreleated stuff; https://forums.aurorastation.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=7242

You can probably delete this appeal I just straight up stopped playing on Aurora due to being constantly ignored and belittled