Felkvir

@Juani2400

Oh right. This is what I use currently.

BYOND Key: FelkvirTotal Ban Length: Permanent, from what I can tell. Banning staff member's Key: No idea. It never said. Reason of Ban: Its on discord so I don't believe it shows. Only reason I could guess is I posted something controversial, but its been like 2 years so I don't really remember. Reason for Appeal: Its been a pretty long time without me complaining or being present there at all, I don't really know why I was removed. I just realize I could need it now if I want more avenues of communicating with ppl outside of OOC or forums and stuff. I'm not planning on breaking rules or anything, so uh yeah.

They don't like changing how they normally operate because there isn't any need for it. Why dismantle the system that works?

Not exactly what I was trying to say here. And that game 'design' choice is pretty awful. You know what other people do to improve antag-non antag interaction? They add and improve! new mechanics, items, new channels of communication. Ingroups that help new players if they are unfamiliar, events... Even apophis did this shit, and he was a complete dumbass. I'm making a point, and obviously its working. I'm "extreme", because I don't want you to devolve a part of the game into shit. I've seen this kind of language and tactics used over and over before. You can do a number of things to deal with security. You can disable cameras and other technology, you can empty their vault, you can subvert their members, distract them with devices or accomplices etc, disable power and trap them, stun them, gas them, turn the AI/synths against them, cause riots and uprisings etc maybe even blow them up depending on how you escalate things and what your objective is... If you have reached a point on your server where you cannot do any of these things... You cannot allow the antag to do anything or use anything, and you cannot even think of anything... You've really fucked up. If you're standing around as an antag like a retard and sec is on your trail, you've fucked up. I don't need to claim it is an issue with the antagonist only, it could be any number of issues you're not looking at. Read the above. This sort of reasoning makes zero sense to me. The point of balancing isn't to increase power of each fighter to match like its some kind of generic Grug fighting game, its to make both parties equipped to outsmart and outmanouver etc the other if they know what to do and get an advantage. If command is competent and security isn't understaffed and all that, but you are completely alone as an antag and you can't use your brain or anything for that matter then of course you are fucked. Again your language and tactics, I have already witnessed it before. I don't see the point of it. It is removal in the sense that you're taking away the structure of the system, and "dispersing" it as you say. If it is not removal then it is deconstructing at the least. But removal is a more accurate word. I still don't see how the positives outweigh the negatives. I am telling you here in this thread, because I care. This is a dumb idea.

This seems like a rather strong generalization since I have seen repeatedly antags interact with other departments if they show themselves at all. If you ask me and what I have experienced, its that antags are way too careful or too restricted and don't use any avenues of manipulation or attack as a result. And like I said some people can straight up just be too incompetent, that happens with any role in the game. If you're looking at antags not adding enough to a round with all the variables of Aurora considered its very strange to me that you immediately put your attention on this, wanting to *remove* something instead of trying to improve what we have.

This is kind of where your argument starts to make less sense. Yes, the security department is well equipped and organized. Why wouldn't they be? You seem to have this presumption that security itself must be at fault. But you admit it yourself; the more time you spend fucking around (and I've seen a lot of people here do that) the more your chances are of being caught. Antag should not be a position where someone holds your hand. They are there to create story and action, and the rest of the station should not be forced to change to accomodate to them for them to accomplish that.

I don't get this at all. I think most of what I've thought of has already been mentioned so I'll just go off on an automatic rant. What about centralized security bothers you? The way they function right now makes perfect sense to me. There is a clear hierarchy, this order seems like something that would arise naturally in corporate world especially in this setting. The structure allows for full command of the security forces (and easy transfer if need be), coordination is easy and all of the info/areas etc is gathered/official. It just feels right, you know? Its easy, and highly functional. I have seen people complain a lot more on Aurora than any other server about sec apparently ruining for antags. Not trying to offend anyone but I don't think devolving security is the answer if some people playing antags are having difficulties. Security is always being bashed on, and IMO this thread seems kinda like that just disguised under a 'suggestion'. Have an issue with some people who play sec, sure (I've met plenty of retards, same with antags). But removing what security is doesn't seem like a good idea at all. Personal bad experiences shouldn't dictate changing an entire solidified aspect of the station. We could try, but it would probably turn to shit. We should focus on adding and improving positively, not removing.

Hm personally I am skeptical because of past behaviour of this person, and to put it in the least-spasticated terms possible I would advise to not accept it for now.

ok Whenever you folks want to just drop insulting anyone that disagrees with you at every opportunity, do get back to me. It's difficult to have a real discussion when the people that oppose this feature all have the common quality of utilizing emotionally charged language displaying a quality of immaturity to deal with negatives of a system and try to work up to build up the positives of the system to outweigh the bad, in addition to the passive-aggressive comments to belittle and insult people who don't agree with you, and then the inaccurate blanket claims plus the false representation of how the community is seeing this work. This was a test phase. If you cannot come up with anything more creative than "it sucks, it undermines me playing here, remove it, it is bad" amped to a square of 4, do not be surprised if I dismiss your concerns if you communicate in such an unproductive and standoffish manner. SS13 should not be more important than your personal life. If you cannot make time for SS13 then yes, you should properly prioritize what matters to you. The fact some of you claim that you have social lives, jobs, etc, should basically mean that this sort of thing shouldn't matter to you if you're being sincere when you say you cannot make any time for SS13. That's just life, but I see no reason as to how you can blame everyone else because you can't sort your own personal issues out. If you cannot make time for the hobby, why are you trying to force it into your schedule? It is your fault if you cannot make time to play on the server, not anyone else's, not even is it the fault of mechanics. I really don't need to lecture people to have their priorities in order. It's a given that people should care about what matters. But going as far as what Jackboot or you posted over such a non-issue is still really confusing to me. The narrative you're trying to play here is pretty fucked up. First off how can you tell if someone's TEXT reply is 'emotionally' charged? It comes off as you thinking you understand the message written better than the ones who actually wrote it. Second off, at one end you say people are using 'blanket' claims yet right before that you're accusing everyone opposing your idea of having the same 'quality' in the discussion. You're just repeating what you've already made clear, that you're dismissing observers as non-players.. This isn't concerning what's correct or not, its concerning what you proclaim to be the right thing. Lots of people here disagree with your idea, does it bother you? I know for a fact you'll go so far as to say you'll lose any respect for a person if they don't subscribe to your worldview, so perhaps we shouldn't ask you to consider what others think and not sperg out in the process at the same time.

1138 do you know why this argument is making you seem so distant and dismissive? Observers/ghosts are a part of the game, they are 'playing' too just not in the same manner. People already wait hours for antags to do something because they are given so much time in the first place. Who in the everloving shit says you can't do a lot in this game in 3 hours? You want to get technical over something like that, even though it isn't a technical issue to begin with... The game doesn't 'center' around you, me or anyone. It should include every player on the server.

It seems okay. Kinda. A bit.

Ahem, I don't know about the other voters.. But I personally chose that option because I was thinking of the overall participation coming into play instead of the major significant/notable events. And the fact that synths were apparently initially to be given full benefits even though it was a 'minor' victory for them.

You have to actually recognize how absurd it would be to a vast amount of people IC'ly if /synthetic/ beings were allowed into command positions. A synthetic risking its life is very different to an organic risking its life. Synthetics are even expected to be exposed to more danger, and by their nature operate on a level different to organics. In my opinion, they should also be covered under regulations but not in the same way as organics.. Also, was this rigged? Strange question but eh.. I feel like more people were for both sides, people were indifferent or felt it was okay wether they got some rights or not. And I saw plenty of people who supported the Sol officers and representatives inbetween.

I like both ideas. And no of course it isn't because I main humans, you filthy xeno-lovers REEEEEEEE At least stop making both unathi and tajara so damn fast, there's a little bit faster which is okay and then there is full speedy-gonzalez the ork gibbing people levels of autism.