Remove or rework orange jumpsuit from surface mixed wardrobe locker

[MO_oNyMan]

Prison clothes are very distinct by design to be able to distinguish regular personnel from convicts. On aurora it's an orange jumpsuit with horizontal black stripes, which is called "orange jumpsuit". Every cell is stocked with one.

The same "orange jumpsuit" that is black striped can be found in the mixed wardrobe locker at surface, available to general public as common clothing.

So i would suggest either removing it from the locker to avoid situations where people could potentially be harmed for wearing a common access jumpsuit or remove the stripes from the orange jumpsuit in the wardrobe and change the name of striped orange jumpsuits to "prison jumpsuits" to avoid confusion

[Bauser]

To meet any possible detractors halfway, the publicly accessible prison jumpsuit(s) could be moved to the theater costume/changing room, just in case someone really decides they need to dress up like a convict for whatever reason. Maybe for fun, maybe for subterfuge, but it has its uses.

[LanceLynxx]

meh. if Sec is doing their job, they'll check his file, see if he's wanted or arrested. If he isn't, then it's fine. More of an IC "issue" if someone dons it, don't see a reason to remove it.

[MO_oNyMan]

meh. if Sec is doing their job, they'll check his file, see if he's wanted or arrested. If he isn't, then it's fine. More of an IC "issue" if someone dons it, don't see a reason to remove it.

there is a multitude of counters to this argument

- I don't think it's currently possible to check someone's conviction record on the fly

- prison jumpsuit means that the guy got 20 minutes or above which makes him a dangerous criminal so running to the nearest security console and back is not really an option here

- If the bet is placed on security entirely to check everyone's records then i'd suggest removing prison jumpsuits all together since it defeats their purpose (which is to be able to identify convicts on sight)

[LanceLynxx]

there is a multitude of counters to this argument

- I don't think it's currently possible to check someone's conviction record on the fly

Examine while wearing a SecHUD, check his info and status. Bam. Done.

NoSecHUD? No problem. You have a console in the Warden's office and Brig Lobby that have prisoner records.

Far from brig? You got a handy dandy PDA with very useful functions like Security Records and other neat things. Use it.

 

- prison jumpsuit means that the guy got 20 minutes or above which makes him a dangerous criminal so running to the nearest security console and back is not really an option here

-Refer to SecHud and PDA arguement

-Additionally, if Security doesn't know who or IF they arrested anyone, or if someone they arrested is MISSING, they're not doing their job, are they?

 

- If the bet is placed on security entirely to check everyone's records then i'd suggest removing prison jumpsuits all together since it defeats their purpose (which is to be able to identify convicts on sight)

- Literally just asking sec to do their job is too hard? Even a CADET can do this.

-Prison uniforms still serve their purpose. If someone is using one OUTSIDE, it doesn't deny the point that it still is used to identify convicts. The person is just silly for wearing it.

Furthermore, I ahve never encountered someone using the orange jumpsuit anyways, I doubt anyone else has, either. It has never been an issue, why change it?

[MO_oNyMan]

there is a multitude of counters to this argument

- I don't think it's currently possible to check someone's conviction record on the fly

Examine while wearing a SecHUD, check his info and status. Bam. Done.

NoSecHUD? No problem. You have a console in the Warden's office and Brig Lobby that have prisoner records.

Far from brig? You got a handy dandy PDA with very useful functions like Security Records and other neat things. Use it.

i don't think sechud shows the list of crimes. Furthermore his status may not be updated (which frequently happens if the guy is permabrigged)

PDA doesn't have a conviction list either

 

- prison jumpsuit means that the guy got 20 minutes or above which makes him a dangerous criminal so running to the nearest security console and back is not really an option here

-Refer to SecHud and PDA arguement

-Additionally, if Security doesn't know who or IF they arrested anyone, or if someone they arrested is MISSING, they're not doing their job, are they?

- sechud and pda not having a conviction list counterargument

- it's not an officer's job to keep track of convicts and they rarely do. The only one who is supposed to know is warden and if he's not there there's noone to check with to be sure

 

- If the bet is placed on security entirely to check everyone's records then i'd suggest removing prison jumpsuits all together since it defeats their purpose (which is to be able to identify convicts on sight)

- Literally just asking sec to do their job is too hard? Even a CADET can do this.

-Prison uniforms still serve their purpose. If someone is using one OUTSIDE, it doesn't deny the point that it still is used to identify convicts. The person is just silly for wearing it.

- Refer to the point that it's not the officer's job to keep track of all prisoners

- it's not about whether you can or can't wear it. It's about why is it in the public closet along with other generic jumpsuits in the first place. That's why the suggestion is to remove them from a public closet as opposed to removing them altogether

 

Furthermore, I ahve never encountered someone using the orange jumpsuit anyways, I doubt anyone else has, either. It has never been an issue, why change it?

If you don't personally see the problem occuring that does not mean it shouldn't be fixed or does not exist, that's just bad approach to problem solving

And to top it off the specifics of prison clothing are such so that anyone could tell that this is an escaped convict before him regardless of whether they are supposed to access to sec records or sec huds

[Azande]

Prison clothes are very distinct by design to be able to distinguish regular personnel from convicts. On aurora it's an orange jumpsuit with horizontal black stripes, which is called "orange jumpsuit". Every cell is stocked with one.

The same "orange jumpsuit" that is black striped can be found in the mixed wardrobe locker at surface, available to general public as common clothing.

So i would suggest either removing it from the locker to avoid situations where people could potentially be harmed for wearing a common access jumpsuit or remove the stripes from the orange jumpsuit in the wardrobe and change the name of striped orange jumpsuits to "prison jumpsuits" to avoid confusion

 

Prisoner jumpsuits are different. Prisoners jumpsuits are always set to max suit sensors and cannot be changed. Orange jumpsuits can have their suit sensors changed.

[MO_oNyMan]

Prisoner jumpsuits are different. Prisoners jumpsuits are always set to max suit sensors and cannot be changed. Orange jumpsuits can have their suit sensors changed.

 

the sensors are not exactly the issue

[LanceLynxx]

i don't think sechud shows the list of crimes. Furthermore his status may not be updated (which frequently happens if the guy is permabrigged)

PDA doesn't have a conviction list either

You don't need a list of crimes, only need to know if he is someone meant to be behind abrs or not.

If sec didn't update the status, it's their fault for , again, not doing their job.

 

- sechud and pda not having a conviction list counterargument

- it's not an officer's job to keep track of convicts and they rarely do. The only one who is supposed to know is warden and if he's not there there's noone to check with to be sure

-SecHUD is still an arguement. You said "sometimes security doesn't set status". Again. Their own fault for not tracking their own prisoners. It's THEIR issue if they're disorganized.

- If there is an *alleged* escaped convict, it's the security team's job as a whole to recapture him. Once again, the SecHUD exists for a reason. They don't need to *know* the crimes commited. Only if he is meant to be in the brig or not. Warden not being present is a non-issue.

 

- Refer to the point that it's not the officer's job to keep track of all prisoners

It's the officer's job to recapture an escaped prisoner if required to do so.

 

If you don't personally see the problem occuring that does not mean it shouldn't be fixed or does not exist, that's just bad approach to problem solving

Let me put it another way

It has never been an issue before

Why is it becoming one now?

 

And to top it off the specifics of prison clothing are such so that anyone could tell that this is an escaped convict before him regardless of whether they are supposed to access to sec records or sec huds

So.... how is this relevant? Just take whoeve is in a suit for questioning, if they got nothing on him, release him, done.

[MO_oNyMan]

Let me put it another way

It has never been an issue before

Why is it becoming one now?

It has and it is. Prison uniforms lying in a public cloth locker, suggesting it's fine to wear it is an issue. That's how it is right now

 

And to top it off the specifics of prison clothing are such so that anyone could tell that this is an escaped convict before him regardless of whether they are supposed to access to sec records or sec huds

So.... how is this relevant? Just take whoeve is in a suit for questioning, if they got nothing on him, release him, done.

It's relevant in the way that most of the crew doesn't have access to security consoles or sechuds. And if a botanist tries to take a HuT convict for questioning and searching, he would most likely get himself killed which is sub-optimal in a "dangerous convict is loose" scenario

Again, the entire purpose of prison jumpsuits is to be able to identify a convict visually. Sechuds are not always readily available, crew doesn't have access to them at all. If prison jumpsuits serve no purpose whatsoever and all of security should wear sechuds at all times and mark their prisoners and crewmembers can just gamble then prison jumpsuits should be removed and replaced with a vendomat dispensing random jumpsuits for convicts

[AmoryBlaine]

Coming soon, maybe.