MoonTruther Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 BYOND Key: MoonTruther Staff BYOND Key: QueenOfYugoslovia Game ID: bVr-azHz Reason for complaint: I feel like i have been falsely banned, as due to my past admin notes i feel like i was expected to not make mistakes, or incorrectly setup my character. I also feel like this admin had a power trip as he seemed rude, and unable to see from my point of view. I myself am not a Muslim, but imagine how an actual Muslim would feel/act if they came across this admin, after asking the AI to praise their god, and being told that their god is a meme. Evidence/logs/etc: [04:05:56] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: hey, got a moment? [04:06:04] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: Yeah, what for? [04:06:37] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: Whats this about you trying to get the AI (CL) to praise allah? [04:06:54] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: Allah is a respectable god. [04:07:28] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: You realize its unserious behavior your expressing as a meme ic, correct? [04:08:02] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: I really didnt mean it as a meme, but i could see why you think that. sorry. [04:10:46] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: You do understand that you were unbanned on the conditions of not screwing around and showing low rp, correct? [04:10:58] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: Yes i do. [04:12:05] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: When did you make your character? [04:12:37] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: Today, i have another character named jullie cherry that was a cadet for a little (?) while. [04:15:20] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: So let me get this straight. You have a character who is 17, (?) was a detective and then a security officer. (?) Has a name thats a meme of the HoS's name and is going around convicing the synthetics to praise allah? [04:16:11] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: I did not setup my characters age correctly, and i was a detective last match because it was the only security job avalible, minus being a cadet. [04:16:28] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: But you played cherry last round [04:16:41] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: I belive so, yeah. [04:17:10] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: Can you explain the other actions however? [04:19:15] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: What other actions? [04:19:52] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: Trying to convince the AI (CL) to praise allah, which tbh we both know you were trying to make a meme of it, being honest helps you in this case really [04:21:04] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: i honestly didn't take it as a meme, i was simply asking the AI (CL) to praise a god that people have chosen to warship. If i like a car, and the car i like becomes a meme, am i still wrong for liking the car? [04:21:16] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: The AI (CL) could of refused too. [04:23:22] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: Its the fact you know this is a meme and is meme like behavior and are trying to write it off as not being that [04:24:22] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: So if i liked a car before it became a meme, then i continued to like it as it became a meme, am i just ''memeing'' or ''hopping on the band wagon'' i understand your point but at the same time i dont. [04:25:08] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: My point is, its not serious rp for a 17 (?) year old security guard to try and convince robots to become followers of allah, especialy in the manner you did so in [04:25:58] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: Alright, sorry i forgot to setup my character correctly. I'm not going to argue with you, because at the end of the day your the trail admin. Do what you think is right. [04:27:30] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: One final thing, can you explain why you copied the HoS's name? [04:28:06] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: Pretty sure i setup the name before the HOS got on, but i can change it if its an issue. [04:31:32] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: Right. After reveiwing your answers and confering with the admin who handled your unban, I will be reapplying a perma ban until you can prove you can play in a serious rp type of enviroment. You may appeal if you wish but I will be reccomending you play on a HRP server for awhile before doing so and have a vouch from somebody high up at that server, [04:33:26] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: Oh goodie. [04:43:59] queenofyugoslavia -> moontruther: Actualy, I have changed my mind. The ban will be set at a week, however make note that the smallest mess up or reason for a note will result in this being made a perma, Understood? [04:44:36] moontruther -> queenofyugoslavia: I still don't see why i'm not alloud to make mistakes, but alright. Additional remarks: I am posting this before i go to bed, if i made any mistakes i'll fix it in the morning. I'm not shit posting either, as i can understand, and even agree on some of his points. Have a good night everybody, and thanks to Alberyk for giving me the logs, the round ID, etc.
ReadThisNamePlz Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 I've edited this to be a spoiler until the round is over. I won't delete your post, but do not remove the spoiler until the current round ends. Update: Spoiler removed, but do not post during the same round that this took place in.
Lady Fowl Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 So the basis of this really is your complaint is accusing me of targeting Muslims or you're character who you claim is muslim. You contacted Lance with a message along the lines of praising Allah. While this isnt a major major issue, I took a look at you're character who was 17 and has switched jobs between a Detective and a Security Officer aswell as a cadet. This again isnt a major issue in itself, you would get warned for this yeah but not a ban. However I took a look at you're name, which was clearly a rip off and related to the meming in dead chat last round about marc price. You were overall a 17 year old char who had the same name practically as the HoS and were attempting to convince the AI to announce worship for allah via announcement. I Talked to Juani and were you incharge of this appeal and ban?Juani - Today at 8:08 PM Of the appeal itself. Not the ban. Drago - Today at 8:08 PM alright He is on a sec char trying to convince borgs/AI to praise allah and doing it in a memey fashion(edited) Juani - Today at 8:09 PM Feel free to apply a ban. The appeal was accepted under strict conditions Perma. Drago - Today at 8:10 PM mmk also how would i see when a char was made as psure hes impersonating the HoS with his name Juani - Today at 8:11 PM You can't Ask an admin to check when the character was first played. Because we don't have info in the WI about when a character is made, only when it's played Drago - Today at 8:12 PM HoS is named Marc price and moon's char is mark price Juani - Today at 8:13 PM Right. Who's on with you? Staff Drago - Today at 8:13 PM Alb, i think hes checking for me the char is also 17 and a sec officer [Primary Admin PM] Alberyk/(Alberyk)(?) (JOIN) (CLOSE): Today as a detective then a sec officer (?) Juani - Today at 8:14 PM Alright. Just ban them tbh. The memey behaviour is enough. Of a reason for a permaban I however took Alb's comment that you're behavior has improved slightly and its been a few months since your unban, therefore I decided a week ban would suffice. To however make it out that im targeting a religious group is quite upsetting, seeing as I love and care for everybody here equaly and kindly without regard for gender, race or creed
MoonTruther Posted July 20, 2018 Author Posted July 20, 2018 So the basis of this really is your complaint is accusing me of targeting Muslims or you're character who you claim is muslim. You contacted Lance with a message along the lines of praising Allah. While this isnt a major major issue, I took a look at you're character who was 17 and has switched jobs between a Detective and a Security Officer aswell as a cadet. This again isnt a major issue in itself, you would get warned for this yeah but not a ban. However I took a look at you're name, which was clearly a rip off and related to the meming in dead chat last round about marc price. You were overall a 17 year old char who had the same name practically as the HoS and were attempting to convince the AI to announce worship for allah via announcement. I Talked to Juani and were you incharge of this appeal and ban?Juani - Today at 8:08 PM Of the appeal itself. Not the ban. Drago - Today at 8:08 PM alright He is on a sec char trying to convince borgs/AI to praise allah and doing it in a memey fashion(edited) Juani - Today at 8:09 PM Feel free to apply a ban. The appeal was accepted under strict conditions Perma. Drago - Today at 8:10 PM mmk also how would i see when a char was made as psure hes impersonating the HoS with his name Juani - Today at 8:11 PM You can't Ask an admin to check when the character was first played. Because we don't have info in the WI about when a character is made, only when it's played Drago - Today at 8:12 PM HoS is named Marc price and moon's char is mark price Juani - Today at 8:13 PM Right. Who's on with you? Staff Drago - Today at 8:13 PM Alb, i think hes checking for me the char is also 17 and a sec officer [Primary Admin PM] Alberyk/(Alberyk)(?) (JOIN) (CLOSE): Today as a detective then a sec officer (?) Juani - Today at 8:14 PM Alright. Just ban them tbh. The memey behaviour is enough. Of a reason for a permaban I however took Alb's comment that you're behavior has improved slightly and its been a few months since your unban, therefore I decided a week ban would suffice. To however make it out that im targeting a religious group is quite upsetting, seeing as I love and care for everybody here equaly and kindly without regard for gender, race or creed I do appreciate that you made it a one week ban, and not a perma ban. But all my other points still stand, i was simply asking the AI to praise a god, would i still be banned if i asked the AI to praise another god, or even something else entirely? I also believe there was a miss understanding about the marc price thing. I played the same character (Mark price) as that round was ending, i was inside cryo on the surface level. Then (i could be wrong) i typed something in chat, and the other marc price saw my name, and said i stole it, then we joked about who had it longer. (he said 5 years, i said 5.1 years, it was clearly a joke.) Then i went on in ooc asking people to name their characters mark price, but with different spellings as a joke. The round ended, the next round started, and then everything else happened. Though i do see how making a 17 year old character, who was a cadet, detective, then a security officer might be an issue. But at the same time i just simply forgot to setup my age correctly.
MoonTruther Posted July 20, 2018 Author Posted July 20, 2018 So the basis of this really is your complaint is accusing me of targeting Muslims or you're character who you claim is muslim. You contacted Lance with a message along the lines of praising Allah. While this isnt a major major issue, I took a look at you're character who was 17 and has switched jobs between a Detective and a Security Officer aswell as a cadet. This again isnt a major issue in itself, you would get warned for this yeah but not a ban. However I took a look at you're name, which was clearly a rip off and related to the meming in dead chat last round about marc price. You were overall a 17 year old char who had the same name practically as the HoS and were attempting to convince the AI to announce worship for allah via announcement. I Talked to Juani and were you incharge of this appeal and ban?Juani - Today at 8:08 PM Of the appeal itself. Not the ban. Drago - Today at 8:08 PM alright He is on a sec char trying to convince borgs/AI to praise allah and doing it in a memey fashion(edited) Juani - Today at 8:09 PM Feel free to apply a ban. The appeal was accepted under strict conditions Perma. Drago - Today at 8:10 PM mmk also how would i see when a char was made as psure hes impersonating the HoS with his name Juani - Today at 8:11 PM You can't Ask an admin to check when the character was first played. Because we don't have info in the WI about when a character is made, only when it's played Drago - Today at 8:12 PM HoS is named Marc price and moon's char is mark price Juani - Today at 8:13 PM Right. Who's on with you? Staff Drago - Today at 8:13 PM Alb, i think hes checking for me the char is also 17 and a sec officer [Primary Admin PM] Alberyk/(Alberyk)(?) (JOIN) (CLOSE): Today as a detective then a sec officer (?) Juani - Today at 8:14 PM Alright. Just ban them tbh. The memey behaviour is enough. Of a reason for a permaban I however took Alb's comment that you're behavior has improved slightly and its been a few months since your unban, therefore I decided a week ban would suffice. To however make it out that im targeting a religious group is quite upsetting, seeing as I love and care for everybody here equaly and kindly without regard for gender, race or creed I do appreciate that you made it a one week ban, and not a perma ban. But all my other points still stand, i was simply asking the AI to praise a god, would i still be banned if i asked the AI to praise another god, or even something else entirely? I also believe there was a miss understanding about the marc price thing. I played the same character (Mark price) as that round was ending, i was inside cryo on the surface level. Then (i could be wrong) i typed something in chat, and the other marc price saw my name, and said i stole it, then we joked about who had it longer. (he said 5 years, i said 5.1 years, it was clearly a joke.) Then i went on in ooc asking people to name their characters mark price, but with different spellings as a joke. The round ended, the next round started, and then everything else happened. Though i do see how making a 17 year old character, who was a cadet, detective, then a security officer might be an issue. But at the same time i just simply forgot to setup my age correctly. I also did not base my entire argument on the fact some players might be upset if they got banned for asking an AI to warship their god. it was just a little ''what if'' thing.
MattAtlas Posted July 22, 2018 Posted July 22, 2018 Hello. I will be handling this complaint alongside LilahNovi.
MoonTruther Posted July 22, 2018 Author Posted July 22, 2018 Hello. I will be handling this complaint alongside LilahNovi. Sounds good.
lilahnovi Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 Hi guys! Moontruther, when I searched the logs of the round, I did not find any words that contained "Muslim", "Islam", or "Islamic". On top of that, I didn't find any other keywords one might use of the Islamic faith, or any indication that your character expressed his beliefs in a way that might justify his expression to order others to worship Allah. If the character is not Muslim, there's no reason to say it. If the character is Muslim, then you need to approach it with sincerity and do some honest research on the Islamic faith before taking it onto a High RP server. However, there was also this: [04:05:22] bVr-azHz PDA: Mark Price (PDA: PDA-Mark Price (Security Officer)) sent "Allah is not a crew member, he is a pet." to PRIMARY ADMINISTRATOR (AI)" To put it plainly, that tells me that indeed you were doing it for meme value. In fact, the way you opened this complaint indicated that you were somehow concerned that those of the Islamic faith may be offended by Queen's actions, but this very log indicates that you were being offensive in the first place. On top of that, I will add, that I feel a Muslim player would not outright tell an AI to "Praise Allah", because that's a direct way that Muslims around the world are caricatured-- as mindlessly trying to get everyone to follow their own faith. No, Allah is not a meme, and Queen definitely does not think that. You using the name of Allah in this round was definitely just being a disrespectful meme.
MoonTruther Posted July 23, 2018 Author Posted July 23, 2018 Hi guys! Moontruther, when I searched the logs of the round, I did not find any words that contained "Muslim", "Islam", or "Islamic". On top of that, I didn't find any other keywords one might use of the Islamic faith, or any indication that your character expressed his beliefs in a way that might justify his expression to order others to worship Allah. If the character is not Muslim, there's no reason to say it. If the character is Muslim, then you need to approach it with sincerity and do some honest research on the Islamic faith before taking it onto a High RP server. However, there was also this: [04:05:22] bVr-azHz PDA: Mark Price (PDA: PDA-Mark Price (Security Officer)) sent "Allah is not a crew member, he is a pet." to PRIMARY ADMINISTRATOR (AI)" To put it plainly, that tells me that indeed you were doing it for meme value. In fact, the way you opened this complaint indicated that you were somehow concerned that those of the Islamic faith may be offended by Queen's actions, but this very log indicates that you were being offensive in the first place. On top of that, I will add, that I feel a Muslim player would not outright tell an AI to "Praise Allah", because that's a direct way that Muslims around the world are caricatured-- as mindlessly trying to get everyone to follow their own faith. No, Allah is not a meme, and Queen definitely does not think that. You using the name of Allah in this round was definitely just being a disrespectful meme. This is good and all, though i do believe you took my PDA message out of context. Other than that i don't have any issues anymore, so i guess i'll go make a ban appeal as i do not see this complaint going anywhere else. Thank you for your time.
MattAtlas Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 Very well. Locking and archiving. Ruling in favour of QueenOfYugoslavia.
Recommended Posts