Ornias Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 BYOND Key: OrniasGame ID: Round before b2I-bPzxPlayer Byond Key/Character name: Ilshle HuzuStaff involved: Karolis2011Reason for complaint: I didn't want to make this complaint, because I might have missed context for it or whatever, but I was told to make one because the round was ending. It's hard to take their statements as believable when there's no emotion to them, even seconds after watching someone die/knowing about a large number of people dying. The pointedness and detachedness of them makes it seem like it's targeting the players, rather than the characters. We uphold emotion, reason, and FearRP in the actions of even reserved or cruel characters. Did you attempt to adminhelp the issue at the time? If so, what was the known action taken by administration/moderation? Approximate Date/Time: 11:00 PM NZST
Vizendel Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) Hi. I play Huzu. Why was nobody else who made the offhand comment about Berko killing himself targeted? Jamal didn't start sobbing. Huzu is a survivor from the Contact War of Moghes and has seen some shit that's made him at least partially desensitized to death, especially after surviving a point-blank explosion and exposure to a vacuum because of the actions of the ISD who after being offered several chances at a less immediately lethal option by Huzu, continued to try to go for the valid on the antag. Additionally, when Huzu was held hostage this round by the antagonist, he quite loudly begged the ISD to not do anything and antagonize the ninja. "Please, don't." Yet, they initiated hostilities and got Huzu shot in the hand. This seems like a pretty reasonable reaction from someone still fresh from being SHOT and filled with adrenaline. Even further from that, Huzu didn't witness the suicide, he asked if it happened, and then made a comment at the ridiculousness of the situation. Shock represses a great deal of emotions immediately after a stressful situation. All in all, I don't think I should need to justify my IC reasoning to a player, but there you go. Edited August 13, 2019 by Vizendel
Ornias Posted August 13, 2019 Author Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Vizendel said: Why was nobody else who made the offhand comment about Berko killing himself targeted? Jamal didn't start sobbing. because he looks new and doesnt have a whitelist you're justifying all this essentially as "my character's desensitized to death and security didn't do what i thought they should", which is a big issue. character history isn't a justification to take potshots at other players because they didn't take your preferred route, and this justification can be applied to literally any and all contextually inappropriate insults against character/player actions. 12 minutes ago, Vizendel said: All in all, I don't think I should need to justify my IC reasoning to a player, but there you go. that's what character complaints are Edited August 13, 2019 by Ornias
Vizendel Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 You clearly didn't read my reply. His history is a small part of the whole, and I hardly hand-waved the situation away with saying that he's "used to it." I gave three good reasons otherwise as to why he wasn't sobbing over the death of four people whose actions almost got him killed. I'm not going to humour you any further, and will await staff member input.
Ornias Posted August 13, 2019 Author Posted August 13, 2019 Your character doesn't need to be sad he just needs to care.
Vizendel Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Ornias said: Your character doesn't need to be sad he just needs to care. Don't tell me how to roleplay my characters. 2 minutes ago, Vizendel said: I'm not going to humour you any further, and will await staff member input.
Goret Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 Hello, @Flamingo and I are going to take this complaint. Please wait until we gather all we need. You're free to send a PM to one of us if you have a question.
Flamingo Posted August 23, 2019 Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) Sorry for the delay. @Goret and I have taken time to go through the logs, and after review, we have decided that @Vizendel's roleplay here was fine. They seemed to value their own self-preservation, and displayed plenty of emotion when Berko got them shot by the ninja, as well as displaying their disappointment in security choosing to fight rather than go for something less-lethal. While the comments could potentially be perceived as targeting the players rather than the characters, we don't feel this was the case based on round events and the comments reviewed. As such, we will be electing to take no action as a result of this complaint. We also reviewed the brief investigation done during the round before it was suggested a player complaint be made, and found Vizendel's justification to be sufficient. If there is no new evidence, we will be locking and archiving this thread in 24 hours time. Edited August 23, 2019 by Flamingo geeves brought it to my attention that i pinged the wrong person. fixed this.
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